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[mtamburini]

mtam? Are you there, mtam? Oh, mtam, where are you?

sempai

Here haven't been reading focused on other things

what do u want

[StorrZerg]

unvote

I believe the claim.
I believe it to be more town sided as well.

With that, got feels town to me.

[sempaispellcheck]

mtam? Are you there, mtam? Oh, mtam, where are you?

sempai

Here haven't been reading focused on other things

what do u want

I wanted to know where you were - I was worried we'd lost you.

sempai

[Endgame422]

UNVOTE
Sempai confirmed town.
Nice to see you kingsley.
Sempai thinks mtam is worth both his votes.
Charm has some suspicion pointing her way as well.

[got tonkaed]

I have no problem going to Mtam if that is what is carrying the day here. I just wanted pressure on charm (and id like to get that if we could all focus here!).

Having said that if the whole purpose of Storr being alive is to find death eaters, his first "imposter" was Mtam. Since he is 0 for 1 (with Sempai), it makes sense that we try to validate some kind of use for him today.

[strike wolf]

I should find time to do at least a partial reread later tonight. Somr current reads:

1. Sempai-town. His claim doesnt prove it but it comes about as close as you can.

2. Mtam-leaning town. Meta fits and I dont see him claiming as scum.

3. Got Tonka- mixed. Ive liked some of his logic and he has been active but I didnt particularly like that he voted Mtam not because he felt he was scum but because he didnt like his town play.

4. Dega- still leaning scum. I liked him pressuring inactives though those are only a weak town tell and his latest behavior is raising alarms for me.

5. Ragian- no strong opinion pre re read.

6. Pixar- slight scum read.

7. Charm-neutralish. I will definitely reread her and Ragian.

[degaston]

UNVOTE
Sempai confirmed town.
Nice to see you kingsley.

I'm assuming that he's town, but just for clarification, is it not possible for a double voter to be scum?
If sempai is town, then I assume Tonka is town also, because of his defense of sempai.

[got tonkaed]

UNVOTE
Sempai confirmed town.
Nice to see you kingsley.

I'm assuming that he's town, but just for clarification, is it not possible for a double voter to be scum?
If sempai is town, then I assume Tonka is town also, because of his defense of sempai.

It is certainly possible that a double voter can be not town. It also probably isn't fair to assume I am town just because I defended sempai (because how is a townie gonna know another player is a townie day 1?) but it is fair to lean towards me being town, because I didn't jump on a not good bandwagon.

Strike is right that i was kind of Omgusing earlier, which isnt so cool and good. Having said that I did point out I did it and backed off. Mtams play still seems scummy to me, as at the very minimum he posted Raigan was scummy with no evidence, threatened to use a night action which would presumably kill storr (which does not have to be a town oriented vig) and has scummarined quite a bit.

[Endgame422]

VOTE charm
GTs defense of sempai is making him look very townish so im willing to focus for a moment.
Iguess he could be double voting scum but it all adds up to me kingsleys vote would be respected by the town and carry more weight than a regular student.

[sempaispellcheck]

strike - Can you elaborate on what it is that makes him seem town to you?
All I have on him is his beef with storr - with the yelling and the screaming and the threatening and all that.
Once that kind of blew over, he disappeared, and was "focused on other things" and not reading.
He also said he thinks charm is most likely town. Now that he (she?) is garnering some suspicion, I think that merits looking into.

sempai

[sempaispellcheck]

strike - Can you elaborate on what it is that makes him seem town to you?

"him" meaning mtam.

sempai

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

degaston - Strikewolf
StorrZerg - BGtheBrain, dazza
mtamburini - sempai, sempai
Ragian - mtamburini, dd
sempai - Streaker, floyd, virus, madmitch, charm, Pixar
charm - tonkaed, HotShot, Endgame
pershy - degaston

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

[jbfloyd]

about 24 hours away. A lot to digest upon coming back...

unvote

sempai has a proven role. Not proven alignment, but seems more likely as town.

The fact that Charm got flack for her post on the setup is not a very strong case to me. It's something I do in my head all the time and sometimes in posts, but probably not D1 and in a game this size I'm just going to punt on any kind of speculation what might be involved. But since so many people do see something possibly there (A lot of people point to that one post, but there were some other points.) maybe I should go back and look closer.

Not entirely sure who to look at next. BG has gone quiet, but it's a weekend and having played with him before, that is not unusual.

Looking at an inactive seems like crossing your fingers and hoping to strike oil.

Pixar hasn't contributed anything really, except to say there's no real use in trying and then jumping on a bandwagon - both which could be scummy or merely a manifestation of existential crisis he's going through. It's not really a read, more of a "Well, if he gets lynched as a townie, we don't lose much..." sort of thing.

I'll just say this about Ragian. I've played games with him and he's not giving me a scummy vibe based. His posts have mostly been reactionary about things that have been directed at him. I think he has a scum tell, but it's possible he's able to hide it in a game this size. Just saying I haven't seen it yet.

Last thought until next time is that I'm guessing, we'll get a deadline imposed soon, probably for late next week. I think close to a deadline (less than 48 hours) playing inactive roulette starts to have more appeal.

[Ragian]

Alright, so that definitely tells us something. Of the people voting sempai, I feel that charm's vote and Pix's vote were the scummiest to me. Having played a few games with Pix, however, I'm not surprised that he skimmed sempai's soft claim (or whatever it's called). Charm, on the other hand, limps in after having received flack for trying to read the setup D1 and after momentum has started to build on sempai saying that she forgot to vote for him the night before.

That adds up in my book.

vote charm

Also, I'd like to add that I'm going boozing tomorrow. I hope the weekends are slower post-wise.

[degaston]

It also probably isn't fair to assume I am town just because I defended sempai (because how is a townie gonna know another player is a townie day 1?) but it is fair to lean towards me being town, because I didn't jump on a not good bandwagon.

If you were town, you could follow your conscience, but that's sometimes tough to do when others are jumping on someone and if you're wrong, you'll look pretty guilty.

If you were scum, and knew that Sempai was town, I could see you laying off the bandwagon for a while and hoping that others would do the dirty work for you, but I would think that actively discouraging the lynch would be a lot harder. I guess that would be the WIFOM.

And, of course, the fact that you pointed this out could just be the WIFOY

[charm]

UNVOTE

OMGUS - I ask some setup questions and you start jumping on my case for that?? Degas discusses setup and you don't jump on him.
So, if I play my role - I'm scum?
If I ask questions - I'm scum?

Well, I'm sorry to tell you, but I'm going to play as I always do and then you are going to really be annoyed by methods! You just go ahead and make up all the silly lies you want. The truth will come out.

P.S. That is the first time I used the OMGUS - I hope I did it correctly.

fp'd by Degas

[StorrZerg]

charm talking about set up flavor isn't odd, just like pix voting for a claim randomly with out exactly agreeing to a case isn't strange. Simply pix likes claims, charm likes flavor.

dont really like the charm push

[degaston]

Looking at an inactive seems like crossing your fingers and hoping to strike oil. ... I think close to a deadline (less than 48 hours) playing inactive roulette starts to have more appeal.

If you're talking about my calling out inactive players, I'm not necessarily assuming that they're scum, but I think it's important to get them to participate throughout the entire game.

[Talapus]

Ugh. Why wouldn't an Auror have a night action!

I guess I get the whole double vote thing for this character. Though certainly not the best action, then again he had only bit parts in the movie and worked fairly undercover in the books so I guess it fits.

I just reread throug all the Charm posts and still don't really see the case against. I mean I undertsnad not liking a players playstyle or how they play day one compared to others, but I'm certainly not throwing a vote that way for that.

I am currently looking back though at deg and Ragian as everytime I look through the thread those names are getting mentioned by players but we really aren't anywhere as a whole deciding why we should care. So looking now and will return with my two cents.

[Talapus]

Well that's 20 minutes of my life I won't be getting back...sigh. Only fair way to do it was focus on one at a time so this post concerns degaston and I have to say I see no case. Yes I understand the suspicion with his/her quick vote hoping towards the beginning and the odd behaviour of trying to suggest rolls a player maybe without really understanding what the role does. I get that. But besides the typical non sensical D1 BS, lots of posts asking questions and trying to learn, and lots of others comparing this very large game to their other and only one they ever played I see zero reason what so ever to really be considering looking in deg's direction right now. Cut a new player some slack all, general mafia game ingorance is no reason to to be on someones case. We were all there at one point.

Would like to follow up with strike wolf though and get a read as to he feels about deg now that sempai claimed a town roll. He said above he is still getting a scum vide, but earlier in the game he mentioned somthing about the possibility of them being a scum pair. And yes I know I didn't get the quote but remember reading it so before others read this and jump my case for not quoting it right feel free to breathe and relax.

[Talapus]

The "Case", and let me make it clear I use that word in the loosest form possible, on Ragian is completely nonexistant. I mean it's no wonder we have a hard time getting new players involved in this forum if some of you jump on the smallest thing. I'm certainly not going to jump down his throat for not being current on Harry Potter.

The fact that it has been a few days though since this game started and mtam and dd think Ragian is the best place for their votes tell me we are looking in the wrong direction. I'd look at those two if they think something like this is merit enough to vote someone. However both seem to be absent for the last day or so.

[got tonkaed]

The part that is tough for me is Mtam is posting actively in the other game he is in. So his vote/not reading is pretty scummy to me. I have no problem switch to Mtam as i believe at this point to have just decided to skip over about 10 ish pages of content is someone who doesnt want to post because posting gives them no where to hide.

I like charm from the extent that it was an pretty odd time to distract, but I am willing to believe like i did with degaston that maybe i just got excited myself and jumped at straws.

[strike wolf]

This is another thing that bugs me a bit about GT. I said in the other game, town tend a bit towards stubbornness in regards to their reads. An intrinsic sense that comes with feeling like they are telling the truth as they view it. GT has been somewhat meek in regards to defending his views when challenged. He doesn't outright back down so it's not a strong tell but it is just a pattern I am starting to notice with him.

[strike wolf]

I'd like to say I have read or watched any of the Hairy Pitters but I havent whoops I HATE DAY 1

Vote Pixar for not knowing the flavour, and writing the name wrong.

@Degaston, did you actually skip the opening scene?

Doh! I read it, but it didn't seem to provide any useful information, so I quickly forgot it. Then after strike wolf's comment I was too lazy to re-read the thread, so I did a topic search for "Death Eater", but without the 's' on the end, his was the only post that showed up.

Unvote

In regards to the whole misunderstanding my post, I do not see much of a case there. Just someone who was a bit too anxious to jump on what they thought could be considered a slip. It could happen to new mafia or new town. Probably a bit more likely to happen to new town.

Next couple of posts are mostly having fun with Storr's posting and a couple of questions about game terms and set up. No problem there. In fact, I would personally encourage some joking but if you cast that bat bogies curse on that poor Hufflepuff girl again, I will have to report you to the headmaster.

Unvote
Vote strike wolf

Because there was never any mention in this thread that the mafia are called Death Eaters here, so only a Death Eater would know that.

That was a pretty quick jump on him... and what strike said could very well have been a joke too, strike never said "death eater = mafia" he just said the person he was voting must be a death eater as a joke.

I assumed that calling me a death eater was his justification for voting for me, and that therefore, death eater = mafia. But since I'm still a noob at this, I wasn't expecting different terms to be used. Was that unreasonable?

In any case, thanks for the love. (throws stink pellets in your general direction)

To be fair, I was and still am assuming the death eaters as likely mafia. Whether they also have cult like powers...it's a bit early to say. I again don't really have a problem with this post. I'll explain...my first vote was a joke vote. I never meant anything by it.

I suppose there could be something to him knowing that death eaters=mafia but not reading that part in the opening scene but that seems a fairly thin wire to hang a case on even for day 1.

"fake claims"

It appears that you're claiming Filch. Has anyone else made a claim, fake or otherwise?

A bit of role fishing.

The next three posts aren't really important. Two of them are pretty fluffy and the third asks what a post restriction is and comments on the nature of what Storr can or can't do in the game.

To this point, there really aren't any strong scum tells or town tells. I would say I would probably lean slightly town at this point as he does show some interest in figuring out the game. He does have a slight role fish instance and some fluffy posts but these aren't really strong tells in a newer player.

Other stuff: Degaston is probably still the scummiest person so far for skimming/lying about skimming (lynch all liars). Dakky might also be connected and mtam also sounds somewhat suspicious.

Skimming/forgetting what was in the opening post is a crime here? Who knew?
And what did I lie about? Do a topic search for "death eater" and see who has the first post with that phrase. I don't use topic search very much, and didn't realize that it only matches whole words.
Also, I thought that people were expected to make votes on little or no information at the beginning to get things rolling.

I don't really care for this defense. Sarcasm I can ignore. I can be very sarcastic and it doesn't naturally lead to friends but it is not a scum tell in general. I am just not sure I like the topic search answer...why did you use topic search specifically? I don't know. Just kind of bugs me. May be nothing. The latter statement seems to become a trend.

It was rather odd when you made a point of mentioning specific flavor (about Hermonie) and then somehow missed the idea of the death eaters (from the same post and flavor).

Yeah, I focused on one thing and somehow missed something else in the same post.

No one thinks the joke voting thing is weird because it happens every game, but certainly your initial posts and reaction to when storr first hinted at being Filch are worthy of discussion.

What are you talking about? The Fresh Prince joke bothered you?

As for Storr, I assume that he must actually be Filch, or he's some form of scum and has been told to use Filch as a cover. If he was scum, it seems dangerous to draw so much attention to yourself right from the start. (or could it be a reverse psychology ploy?) If he's really Filch, then I would think he's kind of harmless, or at least not on the side of the death eaters. In any case, at this point, I see no reason to vote for him just because he's staying in character. (gives him a can of tuna for Mrs. Norris)

Vote Tonkaed
... because he seems to be grasping at straws to direct suspicion at me.

The vote itself is a bit OMGusy but coming from a new player, I don't mind the defense as a whole.

To be fair, I haven't been the only one who find it odd that someone who has read all the books and knows content (polyjuice references, telling people to read the books etc) would somehow be unaware of Death Eaters as a concept. Even if you had searched poorly (which is impressive enough in the opening scene post), you more than likely would have been aware of what the Death Eaters were as a group.

I never said that I was unaware of Death Eaters as a concept - just that I was unaware that the mafia/scum here were called Death Eaters. The only other mafia game I played had no "Flavor" at all, so I was not expecting that they would be called something else, and that's what caught my attention in strikewolf's post. In my last game, someone outed himself by using the incorrect term to claim as vanilla townie, so I thought this might be something similar. Yes, I read the books and saw the movies, but I had to look up stuff like stink pellets and polyjuice potions.

My point regarding storrs initial hinting at being Filch was your post after were you seemed to be setting up to push on storr by stating has anyone else claimed, fake or otherwise? it would have been fairly clear if not skimming that no one else had claimed and that storr had not actually claimed, it was simply being assumed.

Sorry, what is skimming?
dd said that others have hinted at claims, though I haven't been able to identify anything. Does anyone not think that storr is claiming Filch?
I was just trying to get him to explain his statement about "fake claims", but now I'm treating everything everything he writes as though it was from a Filch spambot.

taken from an earlier Degaston post: "Skimming/forgetting what was in the opening post is a crime here? Who knew?"

I think this is why I have a hard time looking past you. These moments where you at the very least act like you know what something is and then ask what it means later. The rest of the post I could go either way, it isn't a bad defense.

To this point, I would say neutral read on Dega.

To be honest, despite degaston jumping on every single person who ever says anything in their direction...

You mean all 2 people? And I unvoted strikewolf as soon as I realized my mistake.

Anyway, I was not aware that there could be a day cop. That sounds reasonable.

Unvote
Vote mtamburini

This just feels too anxious to jump to me. There had been some set up with this but it just all happened very quickly with little set up. I might be judging this too much from my own perspective though. I know Storr and Mtam and I know it isn't exactly uncommon for them to call each other out early game. This isn't something that Dega or Sempai knows so perhaps I am a little bit critical in this regard.

After this Dega seems to realize that Storr stating he is a squib to mean that he doesn't have an ability/isn't a day cop. Also around that point I took notice of Sempai calling Filch a good day cop candidate. A comment that seemed odd to me so I asked him to explain and got this reaction from Dega:

@Sempai: How would Filch make a good day cop?

I'd say that it would fit the character well, and he doesn't have any magical powers, so... why not?
Now he says he's just a squib, so I don't know if he's denying that role, or...?

My problem I have with this is a few things.

1. Why did Dega feel like he should answer this question directed at Sempai? This could have an easy answer but I would still like to hear it.
2. The explanation given makes less sense than the non-explanation that Sempai had given. Dega essentially said that it was because he didn't have magical powers that it seemed to fit.

Storr and Mtam are both likely to jump on someone as scum after one or two posts, regardless of their roles.

Okay degaston, considering your logic makes less sense than Senpai just throwing it out there. How does Filch make a likely day cop?

I have no idea what makes someone a likely day cop or not. Storr made a pretty specific accusation, but when he first made it, I thought it was just random ranting because I had no idea that it was possible for anyone to know someone else's role on the first day. Then he referred back to his original comment, and Tonka suggested that he might be a day cop, so (after looking that up) that made sense to me that Storr could have already found out mtam's role.

Now that Storr appears to be denying any special powers, I don't know what to make of any of this. If he was a day cop, I don't know why he would have used it on mtam so early. If we lynch mtam, and he turns out to be town, then storr would be the obvious next target, so I don't see what he gains from this if he's not sure.

My problem with this post as stated earlier in the game is that he essentially contradicted himself and made it apparent that he had stated that he would be a good day cop without much thought.

Storr and Mtam are both likely to jump on someone as scum after one or two posts, regardless of their roles.

Okay degaston, considering your logic makes less sense than Senpai just throwing it out there. How does Filch make a likely day cop?

I have no idea what makes someone a likely day cop or not. Storr made a pretty specific accusation, but when he first made it, I thought it was just random ranting because I had no idea that it was possible for anyone to know someone else's role on the first day. Then he referred back to his original comment, and Tonka suggested that he might be a day cop, so (after looking that up) that made sense to me that Storr could have already found out mtam's role.

Now that Storr appears to be denying any special powers, I don't know what to make of any of this. If he was a day cop, I don't know why he would have used it on mtam so early. If we lynch mtam, and he turns out to be town, then storr would be the obvious next target, so I don't see what he gains from this if he's not sure.

Thats not what you said though. You said it would fit the character in reference to Filch. Youre backtracking which makes me think you threw it out there without really knowing what you are saying.

I am unsure on Mtam but I think Degaston is a good candidate for scum.

vote Degaston

Well, of course I threw it out there without really knowing what I was saying - This is only my second game, and I'd never heard of a day cop until a few posts ago. Filch, the character, was always prowling around the school, looking for trouble makers - this fits what I think a day cop would be, and I explained that I thought it fit the character. When you said that my logic makes less sense than sempai throwing it out there (whatever that means), and repeated your question, I didn't have anything else to give you, and thought that maybe there was something about a day cop that I didn't understand, so I said I have no idea what makes someone a likely day cop.

Perhaps you could tell me why my first explanation was not good enough?

I liked this post at the time and I still like it now. A bit of a pattern is developing here in that he goes back to the "Im new" defense under fire though I will admit that he does it in a way that makes sense.

To answer your question, it was because your first explanation was not really an explanation. you said it fit the character which was no more than a rehashed version of what Sempai said earlier and said because he had no magic which has nothing to do with any specific ability.

@Sempai: How would Filch make a good day cop?

He's the caretaker - he essentially polices the castle and is responsible for punishing misbehaving students.

sempai

Strikewolf, how is this different from what I said?

What bugged me about this is that it came across to me as Post Hoc Ergo Hoc. He essentially brings my argument into question by linking to the explanation he had given in response to my argument after I had given my argument.

Considering that I think Dega and Sempai are a likely scum pair I am fine with voting either of them.

Wouldn't be surprised if they are. I already called out how jump-happy they were. First all wagon Storr and when Storr points to Mtamb they quickly switch like he is their leader.

Excuse me? I never voted for Storr. I was just questioning him because I didn't understand what he was doing, and Tonka thought that I was going after him.

At first I thought Storr was just rambling nonsense, then Tonka suggested he might have a power that could have identified Mtam as a death eater, so that's what made me vote for mtam. Then Storr denies having a power, so I don't know what to think anymore, and Strikewolf jumps on me for backtracking. Now it seems that people are saying that Storr and Mtam are going after each other because of a personality conflict?

A reasonable breakdown of some aspects if a bit simplified. I did vote on you because you backtracked but you have also yet to answer my question about why you felt the need to answer the question directed at Sempai. I also stick by backtracking and contradicting oneself (I would say LAL applies better as LAC (Lynch all contradictors)) is one of the scummier things you can do in the game and I stick by you and Sempai getting attention because of it even though now Sempai is not quite proven town.

I never thought that it made much sense for Storr to draw that much attention to himself if he was scum. It looks like he just enjoys playing in character, and I'm fine with that.

I can accept this explanation.

Meanwhile, Tonka says that I jumped on "every single person who ever says anything in [my] direction." when it was only him and strikewolf that I voted for, but not HotShot. Should we lynch that liar?

And strikewolf jumps on me because he says that it makes no sense for filch to be a day cop because he prowls around at night? As though the mod had to be perfectly consistent when he was assigning roles?

Interesting.

For the record, I did state that I wouldn't have made it much of a case over flavor alone. Though that did draw my attention at first. If I am to be completely honest with my own role in consideration, I don't feel like flavor between role and ability is going to matter to much in this game though so far there does seem to be clear distinction with good guys still being good and bad guys being bad.

On day 1, I have no clue who is scummy and who isn't. I vote for this person or that person just to see what happens. If somebody thinks that's scummy... whatever.

I will say this is probably not the best way I've seen it stated but it does match well with what most do Day 1...

At this point: I would say that I may have overreacted a bit to the Dega case and it loses some power in hindsight with the link with Sempai proving not to be due to a scum pairing. I would still lean slight scum at this point but in hindsight, I don't think I would have kept my vote on him if I was as aware of what he had been doing as I am right now.

It was after that last post that Dega started to pressure more along the lines of inactives. While these are technically easy votes as someone else pointed out, I tend to like this strategy as it can get more people talking. He posted a couple fluff posts and asked some questions. Nothing really much out of those posts. He also questioned Tonka about the Dakky comment. Also gives opinions about his thoughts on storr.

I've walked through sempai's posts and I agree that he seems all over the place suggesting first that Stor would be town, then scum, then 3rd party, then something 4th (if possible). I also see him being caught up in some semantics. It just doesn't scream scum to me. Rather that makes him very engaged in the flavour trying to figure out reads based on that in my eyes. Mix that with his lack of mafia experience and you get a loose dog in a bowling alley (that might be a Danish expression, but you probably get the point). Anyway, I don't find his various attempts at figuring out what Stor was or his backtracking particularly scummy.

I just read through all of his posts, too. Is anyone able to sum up the case against him, or is it just that it's easier to try to nitpick the statements of an inexperienced player. (I know how that feels.) I saw that one of Storr's points against him was that he "blatantly wishes to follow", but has anyone noticed pershy's posts (easy to miss, since there are so few of them):

Hmm maybe Mtam as Endgame says.

I could get behind a Ragian vote....

Yup decent points by streaker. Also Storr is good at scum hunting and therefore is a valuable town player (when town of course).

These seem like the posts of a follower, but no one else seems interested in putting any pressure on him to contribute more. Not saying that either one of them is town/scum/whatever at this point, but I think it's still too early in the day to focus too hard on one person and let others off the hook.

Defends Sempai and brings up Pershy. Might have a point here.

Sempai fp'ed me while I was responding to Ragian's post. I know he was under some pressure, but my understanding is that people are supposed to wait until L-2 to claim.
Why the rush, sempai?
I was kind of defending you because I thought they were just picking on an easy target, and that others needed to chime in some more, but even after 1 game, I know that you're not supposed to claim that early. So now we already have 2 1/2 claims. In my last game they discouraged trying to get too many claims on D1.

Unvote
Vote Sempai

This struck me as a bandwagon vote.

Not voting for Sempai today...

So do you think we need someone else to claim so you can vote for them?
We have Storr/Filch claiming no powers.
Mtam claiming some kind of power that will presumably lead to more information on D2.
And now Sempai who made an unforced claim of "town with no night power" Can that be something other than VT? If he is scum, has he been given a cover name? Does that fact that he didn't give one mean that he doesn't have one and is afraid to make a claim on a name that is being used?

As I've said before, I'm generally in favor of getting more input from the lurkers because I think that will help things become more clear on D2, but I don't know the standard for when you have enough claims and decide that you have to pick one of them to vote for, or else "no lynch". I agree that the reasoning for the attention on sempai was pretty weak when it started, but in my first game, an unforced claim turned out to be a tell by a nervous/inexperienced scum.

I don't know. I could see an argument either way but I just don't like that he seems to be following what he learned about scummy posting in another game over his own reasoning. On one hand, I understand that he is new and that's not that unlikely to happen on the other hand it makes it easy to fall behind something without explaining it and he did this a bit with the "vote tam because storr seems to be a day cop and it makes sense type of thing as well because REASONS!" issue as well.

In general with the exception of his early vote on me, I am just not seeing much of his own reasoning behind votes.

I had to rush read the final posts and this is already a lot longer than I would have liked it to be (sorry): Generally. I still dislike Degaston but I can admit that I may have been initially a bit harsh on him.

[Streaker]

And boom there is his big ass post

Unvote sempai

I believe his claim, and don't feel it to be scum.

Barely enough time to catch up on all posts (only need to reread strike's book), will comment further probably on Monday.