Conquer Club

ga7 wrote:In my assumption scum killed him Wicked Rereading the scene it's not sure though.

For Freezie it's sure it's scum that killed him. Kwan, I know about skimming but the circumstances make it stand out.
I'm perfectly aware that the evidence on Exile is stronger. Hell, I only need to look at his vote record for that. The point is, first you admit visiting Freezie. Second, you claim the same name than him. Third, both your night action reports look scummy to me. Fourth, you tell me we can't afford to make a mistake.

That is enough for me to hesitate as you could perfectly be playing us right now

1. I admitted visiting freezie because I did visit freezie lol. Like I said exile probably got lucky.

2.I claimed the same name as he did becuase it is my name lol. He probably just got unlucky and fakeclaimed the wrong thing.

3. How so?

4.I told you we can't make a mistake because we probably can't lol. Just look at the numbers though. The normal mafia size should be about 3 players in my experience. With 16 I think that would be a good number since there is also probably an SK out there given the number of kills. If there are 9 of us left and three are scum, we lynch a town today (not gonna happen if you lynch exile) that's 8 left with three scum. Next day is LYLO. Not a good thing. Of course there could probably be one more or less mafia member but three is my guesstimate.

wicked wrote:jake quit spamming before I shove a banana up your ass.

dont make me get andy in here

wicked wrote:ga, I still don't get you calling out exile saying he killed pancake.

Pancake was the roleblocker. Exile said something about a roleblocker blocking Kwanton to prevent the kills. Since Pancake had died already, I asked him if he forgot he killed him. That's not so important I think, just some more skimming from him

ga7 wrote:LSU recruited me in his mason group. My role is Kooper, bulletproof townie. Another member of the group can confirm this.

Basically I'm trusting in LSU's good sense as what he told me could happen exactly happened, which is why I had no qualms about going for my accusation, but this stuff with Kwanton is throwing me off.

OK, so LSU said he was going to recruit Exile last night. LSU dies. Is it true a recruiter will die when trying to recruit scum?? If LSU died b/c of who he tried to recruit, then why wasn't there also a scum kill then??

wicked wrote:OK, so LSU said he was going to recruit Exile last night. LSU dies. Is it true a recruiter will die when trying to recruit scum?? If LSU died b/c of who he tried to recruit, then why wasn't there also a scum kill then??

That's what I was thinking. Maybe they did in fact give up on LSU and somehow my bus driving screwed up the kill. Or maybe there is a nurse. There was a deputy so why not?

your bus driving would just switch a kill, not stop it.

kwanton wrote: 1. I admitted visiting freezie because I did visit freezie lol. Like I said exile probably got lucky.

2.I claimed the same name as he did becuase it is my name lol. He probably just got unlucky and fakeclaimed the wrong thing.

3. How so?

4.I told you we can't make a mistake because we probably can't lol. Just look at the numbers though. The normal mafia size should be about 3 players in my experience. With 16 I think that would be a good number since there is also probably an SK out there given the number of kills. If there are 9 of us left and three are scum, we lynch a town today (not gonna happen if you lynch exile) that's 8 left with three scum. Next day is LYLO. Not a good thing. Of course there could probably be one more or less mafia member but three is my guesstimate.

1. Yes, another coincidence.

2. Bis repetita.

3. Exile: missed 1st night, tracked kwan, tracked Freezie.
Kwanton: missed 1st night, switched LSU & Freezie, switched Koesen & Kalish.
Do you notice a similarity in the inverifiability of this?

4. I hear nervous laughs.

You have a point Wicked, but I think if he was targeted and didn't get killed because of the recruit attempt, the scene would have been different. I suppose we still have a nurse, and/or I got targeted last night.

Yeah but if I switch people immune to NKs orsomething like that it would screw up the kill. But ga7 already claimed bulletproof, so I'm perplexed. Maybe my bis driving didn't do anything. That's why I out forth the possibility of the nurse. It makes sense to have a back up doc since there was a back up cop.

OK I've verified with the scum wiki site that a rec. mason will die if recruiting scum. so if we're at LYLO tomorrow, let's have someone claim if you stopped a kill last night. If no kill was stopped last night, it'll be obvious which side of this to pick.

of course, there is a possibility that scum targetting LSU.

ga7 wrote:3. Exile: missed 1st night, tracked kwan, tracked Freezie.
Kwanton: missed 1st night, switched LSU & Freezie, switched Koesen & Kalish.
Do you notice a similarity in the inverifiability of this?

I had a legit reason for not using my power night one. I had next to nothing to go on, and if I switched the wrong people, it could screw up a cop investigation and whatnot. Exile missed because "he lost track of the game". Theres no down side of using a tracker's power but the bus driver can screw up other people's powers if you get unlucky and use it with no info.

ok bulletproof means unkillable at night then? ugh all these supposed roles.

wicked wrote:ok bulletproof means unkillable at night then? ugh all these supposed roles.

Exactly which is why there's really no way of knowing if the scum got blocked unless you get the scum to claim. And if you can do that then I will bow down to your mafia skills wicked

ga7 wrote:3. Exile: missed 1st night, tracked kwan, tracked Freezie.

Whoa! How did exile track freezie night 3? Freezie was killed night two.

How could they know if they stopped a kill last night though? I mean, I can only think of one protective role left and that's nurse, but they don't get info on if their protection was useful right?

wicked wrote:

ga7 wrote:3. Exile: missed 1st night, tracked kwan, tracked Freezie.

Whoa! How did exile track freezie night 3? Freezie was killed night two.

Because, even as a ghost, I am awesome enough to make a difference.

Sorry Wicked, I actually confused when writing down the two claims.

The1exile wrote:I missed night 1 due to my not keeping track of this game, which I admit was thick. Then I tracked kwan. Last night, I tracked you.

Also my role name is yoshi, so I wonder why ga7 thinks i'm scum. Anyone want to claim that instead?

The1exile wrote:I missed night 1 due to my not keeping track of this game, which I admit was thick. Then I tracked kwan. Last night, I tracked you.

Here's the actual quote. He didn't track freezie night 3, he tracked me. And his report on me last night is correct.

I think we have absolutely no way to be sure about either of them. Mario, come forth if your investigation last night was fruitful please

It also seems like exile has given up. A while back, he said he was gonna play warcraft or somesuch thing. Don't you think that in a near-LYLO situation, a townie would stay and defend themselves instead of leaving and giving up?

Unvote just in case, I'm gonna be off a bit. Since we can't make mistakes, I'd recommend not voting for now, but I want to hear everyone's opinion on which one is scum in any case

I, unfortunately, can't claim to being responsible for saving anybody.

This is all very confusing, but I find myself leaning more towards voting Exile, on the basis of LSU's theory. LSU, when he isn't scum, is often pretty accurate with his suspicions.

It isn't much more than a hunch, since both roleclaims basically cancel each other out. Exile's announcement that he's off to play Warcraft doesn't make him look better. Work, family business etc. I understand, but Warcraft means you're not really interested in what's going on.

fos Exile

Worse than not being interested, he in fact avoids all interrogation this way. That's not a basis for trust.

Ok then it comes down to who everyone believes, me or exile. I guess all the points have been made now.

The evidence against me is exile's investigation, even tho he is lying about it, and apparently the fact that my claim had too many coincidences.

The evidence against exile is even if he was telling the truth about his investigation, he would have never gottena result that said anyone killed so he lied about that. Also, LSU tried recruiting him and he died which is what happens when the recruiting mason tries to recruit mafia.

Everyone weigh in on this and everyone unvote until you can make an informed decision(besides me and exile of course).

yes, I'd like to hear EVERYONE's opinion on this. And I'm only up to page 18 in my read, and just got pulled into a meeting. please don't speed lynch someone here. we needs lot of talk today!

LSU one question before I go. You said you switched random people last night, but were against switching random people the first night. Why the change in tactics?