Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[everywhere116]

Ok, then shield will be inactive for the next week.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

good luck shield. i guess i will pick up your slack for you lolol.

[Leehar]

I get why there was a case on me. It was my fault. Day one stupidity.

Spoiler

I'd try and blame being on holiday and all that too but I should know better so won't bother with that!

Anyway, I agree with Neb and y'all that some pressure on Eldario is useful. So, vote Eldario.

And yet It hasn't changed and has been consistently similar in other games not in D1?
I mean again, you just bw to the most recent vote and put your stock reasoning of 'some pressure is useful'?...

Also, why the hell is everyone all over the place? The Hippo wagon seems a good spot that 4 of you are on. I'm on Sniper who is inactive, Spartacus still never bothered to unvote me yet, I don't believe he's really too active yet in this game, I see his name pop up once in a while. 3 people are on eldario's case for inactivity. (which I may join later since both where I'm voting now and him are the same cases). Which to Eldario's last post, you could still be active a bit more, especially with knowing your inactivity is starting to grow a LOT of attention.

Important argument to Neb's post, that if everyone does vote, we will get a even more disjointed discussion; but if everyone starts immediately voting for a single person of the 4, we could get a speed-lynch as someone else just said.

I'd also FoS clever and freezie (?) in attacking Dazza for a reasonable defence

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I get why there was a case on me. It was my fault. Day one stupidity.

Spoiler

I'd try and blame being on holiday and all that too but I should know better so won't bother with that!

Anyway, I agree with Neb and y'all that some pressure on Eldario is useful. So, vote Eldario.

And yet It hasn't changed and has been consistently similar in other games not in D1?
I mean again, you just bw to the most recent vote and put your stock reasoning of 'some pressure is useful'?...

Also, why the hell is everyone all over the place? The Hippo wagon seems a good spot that 4 of you are on. I'm on Sniper who is inactive, Spartacus still never bothered to unvote me yet, I don't believe he's really too active yet in this game, I see his name pop up once in a while. 3 people are on eldario's case for inactivity. (which I may join later since both where I'm voting now and him are the same cases). Which to Eldario's last post, you could still be active a bit more, especially with knowing your inactivity is starting to grow a LOT of attention.

Important argument to Neb's post, that if everyone does vote, we will get a even more disjointed discussion; but if everyone starts immediately voting for a single person of the 4, we could get a speed-lynch as someone else just said.

I'd also FoS clever and freezie (?) in attacking Dazza for a reasonable defence

i didnt mean to attack him. i jsut thought he was overreacting. if i were to attack him i would have voted him or made a big case about it an then start pushing for it. but as you see i appologized and did not push it.

[dazza2008]

I get why there was a case on me. It was my fault. Day one stupidity.

Spoiler

I'd try and blame being on holiday and all that too but I should know better so won't bother with that!

Anyway, I agree with Neb and y'all that some pressure on Eldario is useful. So, vote Eldario.

And yet It hasn't changed and has been consistently similar in other games not in D1?
I mean again, you just bw to the most recent vote and put your stock reasoning of 'some pressure is useful'?...

Also, why the hell is everyone all over the place? The Hippo wagon seems a good spot that 4 of you are on. I'm on Sniper who is inactive, Spartacus still never bothered to unvote me yet, I don't believe he's really too active yet in this game, I see his name pop up once in a while. 3 people are on eldario's case for inactivity. (which I may join later since both where I'm voting now and him are the same cases). Which to Eldario's last post, you could still be active a bit more, especially with knowing your inactivity is starting to grow a LOT of attention.

Important argument to Neb's post, that if everyone does vote, we will get a even more disjointed discussion; but if everyone starts immediately voting for a single person of the 4, we could get a speed-lynch as someone else just said.

I'd also FoS clever and freezie (?) in attacking Dazza for a reasonable defence

i didnt mean to attack him. i jsut thought he was overreacting. if i were to attack him i would have voted him or made a big case about it an then start pushing for it. but as you see i appologized and did not push it.

You still never answered why you think I am over reacting. Can you do that please?

[Leehar]

damn, the pages are stacking up fast, and so are the votes on me, the case on me consists of me not contributing at all, right?, I would say that right now I'm not the only one that is silence at the moment.
All I can say is that I'm reading and when I see something that's new and out of place, or if a case convince me, I will comment, right now I am looking on the resent posts and evaluating their content

and yes I realize that ironically this hardly contributes either

Exactly, so as mafioso's have said previously, if all everyone is going to do is sit back to check out the action and see convincing cases, then there won't be any action or cases made at all.

So it really is unfair to the rest of us if you just actively submarine in watching the game but not playing.

Therefore, I'd really appreciate it if you started contributing quite a bit more, otherwise I will have to fos and vote with those same fingers if all you're doing is being deliberate dead-weight to town

[cowboyz]

Hippo's original crazy case.

Jak has been scummy. If I wasn't his partner I would be on the BW too. Normally I wouldn't out myself, but I feel he already kinda outed me.

IB has been pretty thin-skinned this game, but that is a cat to skin a different day I think.

Vote the hippo

BW jumping combined with flying under radar/not contributing.

Sorry Doom, got back from holiday in the weekend and still trying to catch my tail. I've been reading and watching but you are right, not contributing. I consider my hand slapped. I am interested that Betico, Dazza and Sparticus are having lovely little chats and interludes. Looking really professional and on to it but IMHO seem joined at the hip and going unchallenged. IMHO Betico screams out loudest as being too "try hard" and "daddy" for my liking.

Unvote vote Betico

Hippo responds.

Righto, I thought it best to let the dust settle a bit before responding to the FOS on me.

The concern I had was with respect to flavour and timing. I was obviously mistaken as there's been no repeat. I confess that I saw something that wasn't there.

I've also taken a dose of my own medicine and gone back to reconsider the whole context of what was said and why.

Frankly, I think I need to apologise to Betiko as he was not being "daddy" at all but rather "collegial" and "assistive". I have no excuse other than I skimmed. But I think my comment was actually offensive and I withdraw it unreservedly.

Unvote

I also overlooked this:

... unless he was just fishing for info..

Which I think was what urked me the most. It's day one, of course we are trying to get info. But I think that's not what you meant! Anyway Betico hasn't even got a vote on anyone and we havn't had an update from him in a couple of days (similarly me).

I get why there was a case on me. It was my fault. Day one stupidity.

Spoiler

I'd try and blame being on holiday and all that too but I should know better so won't bother with that!

Anyway, I agree with Neb and y'all that some pressure on Eldario is useful. So, vote Eldario.

I don't have any experience with Hippo's play style so I'll semi trust others that said his strange case fits him. Same token, he was pretty adamant about his case until it started drawing attention towards himself, then he did a quick reverse and cast his vote on nearest bandwagon target, eldario. He may be just skimming.


UNVOTE FOS HIPPO

As far as Neb goes, just to cover once again. When he claimed he gave his character name. That is more risky than just claiming role. If he randomly stated some name, chances of counter-claim are greater.
Tank may have some sort of powers but he def sounds like he would be townie.
Him starting bandwagon on himself if he was VT sounds more logical than him starting it up with him being mafia.

Clever just brought it. Unfortunately, eldrio's play fits his meta perfectly.

And you're okay with this level of contribution?

I am not ok with it, it bothers me immensely. I will gladly jump over to the eldario wagon except hippo is dropping bombs left, right and centre.

Hippo is dropping bombs everywhere. In all his games. I'll take your reason: '' Unfortunatly, TheHippo's play fits his meta perfectly''

What's good for one should be good for the other. Anyway, just a note.

TheHippo's case on betiko/Dazza/Spart was, at best, ridiculous. Dazza himself aknowledges that. However, it seems to me that he went over-defensive very quickly with no pressure, at all.

Unvote

Vote: Dazza for, what seems to be, over-reacting on nothing.

I didn't see too much of that and if he did overreact it was one time. I think what I stated on IB would be a better case for over reaction since it was 3 times.


This was the only thing I picked up on last read through.

[quote="shieldgenerator7"

lol jonty you BWd on jak just cuz I did? You didn't see the reasoning behind it?

-SG7 ( )

No, I voted for him because I felt he was scummy. I didn't state my reasons because you hadn't, so I felt it was acceptable not to state my reason.[/quote]

could you humor me and just tell me what the scummiest thing is about Jak? And how much stronger do you think his case is, over the other cases?

Is this directed at me?

yes, just for giggles, I would like your input especially comparing Jaks case with the others and telling us why it's the strongest.

I don't believe its the strongest now, at the time of my voting it was, but now with the claim, I'm unsure who I find scummiest.

jonty keeps his answers to basically nothing.
But I guess this is the same case being made on Eldario.
at least jonty answered the question thrown at him.

One of these 2 would be good to go after if we are pursuing more inactive players.

But there are more inactives than those 2.

Vote Count

Neb(2)- cm5, edoc
dazza(1)- freezie
hippo(3)- sound, dazza, cowboyz
jak(1)- spart
sniper(1)- jak
jonty(1)- clever, mob
eldario(4)- neb, shield, hippo, everywhere


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

[Leehar]

I get why there was a case on me. It was my fault. Day one stupidity.

Spoiler

I'd try and blame being on holiday and all that too but I should know better so won't bother with that!

Anyway, I agree with Neb and y'all that some pressure on Eldario is useful. So, vote Eldario.

And yet It hasn't changed and has been consistently similar in other games not in D1?
I mean again, you just bw to the most recent vote and put your stock reasoning of 'some pressure is useful'?...

Also, why the hell is everyone all over the place? The Hippo wagon seems a good spot that 4 of you are on. I'm on Sniper who is inactive, Spartacus still never bothered to unvote me yet, I don't believe he's really too active yet in this game, I see his name pop up once in a while. 3 people are on eldario's case for inactivity. (which I may join later since both where I'm voting now and him are the same cases). Which to Eldario's last post, you could still be active a bit more, especially with knowing your inactivity is starting to grow a LOT of attention.

Important argument to Neb's post, that if everyone does vote, we will get a even more disjointed discussion; but if everyone starts immediately voting for a single person of the 4, we could get a speed-lynch as someone else just said.

I'd also FoS clever and freezie (?) in attacking Dazza for a reasonable defence

i didnt mean to attack him. i jsut thought he was overreacting. if i were to attack him i would have voted him or made a big case about it an then start pushing for it. but as you see i appologized and did not push it.

You still never answered why you think I am over reacting. Can you do that please?

Because all your rebuttal question seem passive aggressive when they relate to you, but with everyone's cases you haven't been as enthusiastic in dispelling arguments.
This is Mafia, and people will vote you or think you're scummy, so you it's not really reasonable to go all omgus on someone for questioning you.
We wouldn't want you to go to the other end of the spectrum and not respond or be lackadaisical about any fos'ing either etc, but you can't go off the deep end just because someone had the gall to malign your integrity.

So while I kind of get your reasoning clever, from the other viewpoint, i think we're all people who do as reflex omgus when we're attacked and feel the need to defend ourselves vigorously, so I also felt it was unnecessary for you to instigate dazza on something thats mostly irrelevant. There was no need to perpetuate a discussion on that end when the basis of it in betiko's case fell flat so long ago based on dazza's reasoning.

fastposted cowboy

[Djfireside]

Yeah I think its best to drop that whole thing. Its the first day and everyone is a bit on edge.

As for Hippo, from what I know it does fit his MO but just because it fits his MO doesnt clear him from anything so dont dismiss someone necessarily because they play a certain style.

At this point, im going to help to put the fire under Eldario's butt as they stated

damn, the pages are stacking up fast, and so are the votes on me, the case on me consists of me not contributing at all, right?, I would say that right now I'm not the only one that is silence at the moment.
All I can say is that I'm reading and when I see something that's new and out of place, or if a case convince me, I will comment, right now I am looking on the resent posts and evaluating their content

They are watching and jumping in where they see fit but they have made 9 posts of random content and are admittedly sidelined and they even noted the same thing themselves. If you are not the only one silent then speak to it.

Vote Eldario

[jak111]

Hmm, well Leehar, what I mean is that we all discuss case by case (Not voting 100%). Right now we have people either in one area not replying to the other, or vice versa.

Right now however the inactives (Who admiited it and continue to do nothing for the town) Need to be pressured. Jonty, and Eldario are inactive at the moment even when they do make posts because they don't add to anything but mention their watching...

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Hmm, well Leehar, what I mean is that we all discuss case by case (Not voting 100%). Right now we have people either in one area not replying to the other, or vice versa.

Right now however the inactives (Who admiited it and continue to do nothing for the town) Need to be pressured. Jonty, and Eldario are inactive at the moment even when they do make posts because they don't add to anything but mention their watching...

completly agree on the inactives part. they say O IM HERE BUT I DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE ITS ONLY DAY ONE. well take a look around you we are all contributing and its day one so i will vote the next to make that excuse its an excuse for inactivity that is used way to much and is passed way to much. if your watching then you must have some kind of opinion and i know i and probably the rest of the town would LOVE to hear it cause maybe it can help this game move along. but to sit back say your watching but still say nothing is just as bad as saying nothing what-so-ever.

[Leehar]

FoS DJ
Simple case of Pot calling the Kettle black? You have 14 posts and eldario has 10 so you really can't call him out for inactivity...
Compare that with the 50 posts from Jak and then perhaps we can believe you

For the record, since I was doing it anyway, this is just a list of post counts and not anything that much on their content (since I see cowboy did a fairly comprehensive post), but:
cowboyz - 15
Clever - 27
dazza - 37
everywhere 34
jonty-22
MoB - 15
Lee - 26

I just did the ones who posted on this post, I'll do a more comprehensive one tomorrow if there's interest in it. But if anyone else can compile it, please be my guest. It's only a matter of going to everyone's walls and searching all their posts, and sorting by 'matrix'.

In my defense since I feel I was a bit on the low side myself, I'll just say that I've attempted to post daily, even if I've not been able to say much, or participate in the discussions centering around Jak, or be involved in the back and forths that seem to be in the US night-time (when it's in the long am's for me)

[jak111]

I think people know when I'm on, gone to bed, and at school XD I'm an hour ahead of CC time, but with all the posts I've made it's obvious when the time I'm active is around o.o. Yea, I think my posts if they were alone take up 3-5 pages of this 40 page thread Leehar

[crazymilkshake5]

I need to be replaced! Sorry.

[safariguy5]

Damn it, Sparticus has asked for a replacement too. I'm PMing my reserve, but I'll need to find at least one other person.

[MoB Deadly]

Yeah I think its best to drop that whole thing. Its the first day and everyone is a bit on edge.

As for Hippo, from what I know it does fit his MO but just because it fits his MO doesnt clear him from anything so dont dismiss someone necessarily because they play a certain style.

Of course, I want to make it clear, I am not defending him saying he is a townie. I am defending him because I know if I was Mafia, I would try to get someone lynched Day 1 with as little discussion as possible. Hippo seems like a good candidate to try to get lynched because his playstyle is unconventional and I can convince townies to join me.

I am willing to vote Eldario or Hippo if we are getting low on time.

[betiko]

hey guys sorry not been much around these last 2 days, had my birthday and all so just connected to play turns.

I see it's not advancing much, and worse, we are out of 3 voters (crazy, spartacus (can you guys stop calling him sparticus? haven't you guys seen the movie with kirk douglas?) and SG7)
so to actually get someone lynched on day 1 we will need 13/21 votes; given the situation saf can it be lowered to 12 votes?

I'll go for pressuring eldario; each comeback in the game consists only in explaining why he is inactive. you can't do that forever... If he claims he will bring in substance.

VOTE eldario

[thechuck51]

Hmm, well Leehar, what I mean is that we all discuss case by case (Not voting 100%). Right now we have people either in one area not replying to the other, or vice versa.

Right now however the inactives (Who admiited it and continue to do nothing for the town) Need to be pressured. Jonty, and Eldario are inactive at the moment even when they do make posts because they don't add to anything but mention their watching...

completly agree on the inactives part. they say O IM HERE BUT I DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE ITS ONLY DAY ONE. well take a look around you we are all contributing and its day one so i will vote the next to make that excuse its an excuse for inactivity that is used way to much and is passed way to much. if your watching then you must have some kind of opinion and i know i and probably the rest of the town would LOVE to hear it cause maybe it can help this game move along. but to sit back say your watching but still say nothing is just as bad as saying nothing what-so-ever.

As somebody who may or may not be considered inactive It would be hypocritical of me to vote for Eldario. RL doesn't always allow the time to build cases worth putting a vote on while maintaining the pace of some of the more active players. That being said, I think it follows that anybody who throws their vote from player to player isn't concerned with making strong cases, possibly because they already know who the scum are. Hippo has switched is vote about 6 times (not including joke votes). Most of the time he says its for being inactive (or some version of that) but how is that any worse than changing your vote as often as most people change their underwear?

vote hippo

Hippos votes for reference (not including 1st couple of joke votes):

unvote vote Roussallier for submarining

Pushing Edoc always gets a good response ...vote Edoc

Oh yeah, I remember that now! Sorry mod!

I don't like the BWon Neb, but see no reason not to pressure IB some more, so ... unvote vote IB.

Ok, joke-voting is over.

I would have thought that flip-flopping would be appropriate for a Matrix themed game! For anyone confused about my voting have another shifty through the posts and it'll make mare sense to you. If not then Neo may be screwing with your perceptions!

So, back to the game. No comment from MoB I see. Not like you, and not acceptable buddy! Ya gotta be in it or you'll be out of it So, and to prove I am nothing if not consistent, unvote vote MoB

The problem for you jak is that we agree that there must be a mafia in the case. But as far as we can tell, the mafia is you.

Incidentally, what is a super-ultimate-mafia-hunter? Is it a really good hunter of mafia? Or is iit a really good mafia who hunts? Anyways,your goose is cooked.

unvote vote jak

Sorry Doom, got back from holiday in the weekend and still trying to catch my tail. I've been reading and watching but you are right, not contributing. I consider my hand slapped. I am interested that Betico, Dazza and Sparticus are having lovely little chats and interludes. Looking really professional and on to it but IMHO seem joined at the hip and going unchallenged. IMHO Betico screams out loudest as being too "try hard" and "daddy" for my liking.

Unvote vote Betico

[freezie]

Unvote

Vote: Dazza for, what seems to be, over-reacting on nothing.

Over reacting? How? I voted Hippo as his case was bullshit and now he himself has said that. I know Hippo can be random as hell at times but does that mean we just ignore it? If so what is the point in even playing the game?

Well, the uses of many ''?????!!!!!'' didn't help. Neither is the sarcasm when we try to accuse you. Also, as I pointed before, it was a poor thought case, and you aknowledged that. Yes, I am aware Hippo did too, I am however not accounting that. I am speaking of your direct answer to him.

As others point out, you are normally quite neutral. However, when he pointed his finger at you, your answer was much more direct and much more aggressive that was really needed. A simple: '' how is me helping someone, and talking to someone else in the thread implies we're connected? It's stupid logic'' would have been better. Your answer was over-exagerated to the accusations posted against you.

As far as clever goes, no, dazza didn't over-exagerated twice -.-

As for:

I'd also FoS clever and freezie (?) in attacking Dazza for a reasonable defence

How am I ''attacking dazza''? I didn't even post after dazza questionned me until now. And if you feel my original accusation against him as an attack..well..I am going to call this an attack on myself from you. This is day 1, and I am doing with what I have on hands.

[safariguy5]

Sorry, the people who are away/inactive are not numerous enough in my mind to reduce the number of votes needed to lynch.

[freezie]

Oh, I also forgot to adress the ''should we let Hippo do this without caring'' question.

Answer is, no I don't think so. However, it's pretty much what he has been doing everytime I seen him in any of my games. Does it help us? not really. But lynching him on the basis that he his playing the way he has always been..I think the odds are better with someone else.

Hippo, we can take care of him later.

[DoomYoshi]

Well, deadline is coming up. I see no reason to not jump on the Eldario BW.

vote eldario

[Nebuchadnezer]

I'd also FoS clever and freezie (?) in attacking Dazza for a reasonable defence

Nope. CLEVER and freezie were fine. I also thought Dazza was flipping out for no reason. If it weren’t so close to deadline, I’d be willing to pressure him more. He does not react well. Granted, it’s all in how you read it, and thoughts/feelings do not translate well at all.

Hippo does not play the town part very well. At some point, we may need to get him to claim, so we know what he is…but not today.

Other than that, I haven’t noticed anything else worth posting. I’m disappointed in the replacements needed.

Safari, can we request more frequent vote updates? As we get closer to the deadline, we need to be aware of where the votes are. I’d hate to not get any claims because we are split between Eldario and Hippo…we at least need a claim…if not a lynch. Those two are the best choices.

[jak111]

While I believe Sniper is = to Eldario in inactiveness I'll lend my vote to the Eldario votes to pressure him into speaking or something. The guy hasn't contributed a single thing to this game, I think sniper at least had one good post. As for the Hippo thing, we'll see how D2 goes with him.

Unvote, Vote Eldario.

[freezie]

Well, deadline is coming up. I see no reason to not jump on the Eldario BW.

vote eldario

Deadline is in 5 days? Back in the days, we didn,t even have that for a full day.

Plenty of time left..