WWII - Eastern Front-statistic page 1 [Quenched]5000 finish

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:37 pm

Qwert may I suggest bribing Andy to quench your map with some Colombian bananas? They are very tasty and Andy has a soft spot for them. I am trying to soften him vis-a-vis my map by sending him a box every week. Don't tell the other map makers though!

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:38 pm

I had the number of a lovely female Bonobo I was gonna send his way... just to grease the palms a little...

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:38 pm

nice

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:43 pm

**Turns a blind eye and coughs a little** Ahem...please use rush shipment on all deliveries...

--Andy

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:46 pm

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:44 pm

its these better

old

new

Teya · Post by **Teya** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:08 pm

bedplay wrote:I don't think you understand the principles of basic mathematics teya

even with bigger shadows, because the army numbers have a stupid font, with odd & even pixels, you can never get all the army symbols totally centred.

ever..

if you look at each and every map you play, when you start getting into higher army numbers, some aren't totally central. you just don't often notice it.

I never said to make the shadows bigger. And I'll say again, I havent noticed quenched maps with uncentered numbers.

There are still a few out.
Other map makers can manage to fix this problem, you should be able to.
Novgorod, Moscow and Demyansk are still out.

Why dont you ask other map makers what size army shadows they have used. Yours do seem a tad too big. Maybe that will help.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:20 pm

Novgorod moscow and demyansk out?

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:32 pm

qwert wrote:Keyogy do you 100% sure that in yours map all numbers strictly centered?

To the best of my knowledge, yes all my numbers were centred. I've had no complaints.

So, lets see:
- Novgorod (i'm guessing 1px too far to the right)
- Demyansk (the border behind it makes it hard to judge)

I think what makes it look a little odd is that with so many single numbers on the map, this room for error is more obvious. This point in the centre where the number goes one way or the other is the main problem. I think it'd look better if all numbers were on one side of the centre point. For example Rzhev and Mozhaisk are on one side, Bryansk is on the other... it makes them look out of centre.

Perhaps see if you can get the tester to come up with more double digit numbers? Either way, if there's not going to be any more changes made to the actual map it should probably be final forged so we can pick at these little things. Before final forge though, I think some borders could use some adjusting. However it seems my request for this earlier has fallen on deaf ears.

Borders issues:
- Demyansk (army shadow over border)
- Narva (army shadow on or right next to border)
- Maykop and Rostov (army shadows could just be moved away from borders)

wcaclimbing · Post by **wcaclimbing** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:38 pm

I dont think the nombers on orel or belgrod are centered, but other than that, i vote final forge!

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:26 am

You reqwest its strange. Number with even number of pixel its best for centralising and belive me that Novgorod and demyans its centralise, and i will prove you.
And keyogy if you dont belive me that i can find you not 1 or 2 noncentralised numbers, i can find 15 noncentralised numbers in yours map.

Teya · Post by **Teya** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:19 am

If you can find that many in the aussie map you should have spoken up weeks ago.

The problem with yours are they aren't all out in the same direction.
Stop using quenched maps as an excuse for not fixing problems with your map. You used that excuse with the font and you ended up changing it anyway. Why dont you take the time and effort to fix it?

AndyDufresne wrote:I'm not asking you to get it down to .1 px alike in all areas, but centralizing can be done with time and a little effort.

--Andy

Take the effort so we have nothing to complain about.

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:34 am

OMG, I don't think I've come across someone so stubborn and narrow minded my whole life. I retract any comments about this map being final forged, I hope you continue to bitch and whinge about any minor suggestions to improve your map and you give up again.

As posted in the Official How to Make a Map thread:

Developmental maps will be discussed in length in the Foundry, in their respective topics. Cartographers must be open to any advice and suggestions. Be sure that if you do not implement said advice you must have logical reason for doing so. This rebuttal must be stated either by you, or argued by another Foundry poster who sees the drawbacks or shortcomings in said advice. There will be no rebuttals of ‘It’s my map, let me do it my way.’ Waiting for feedback on your map is the one of the most important parts of development.

People are only making suggestions to improve your map, not hold it back from being completed. Either make the changes requested or give your logical reason for refusing. There's no need to compare and then complain about other maps in comparison, it's irrelevant.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:53 am

Ok these my last try if you again righ then i will quit work in these my, you dont right and i realy dont understend why you doing these.
Novgorod and Demyans its 100% centralised becouse have numbers with even px but when you add number 1 with 7px you got 15px these odd number. Not 1 single map in all conquer club have centralised numbers, its matematic and nobody can centralised numbers with odd numbers px.

I say again no map in all conquer club can have centralised army numbers, and if you again say that you right, then i will know that you got something agains my map

Teya · Post by **Teya** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:29 am

from the example you posted, it does not look like those numbers are in the same place. The 7 seems higher.

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:57 am

I think I've finally come across the problem. I took your image and put it into photoshop and have found that not all your army shadows are 24x24 pixels. I don't know if it's a side effect of resizing or an effect you've applied to the shadows, but I measured multiple shadows that were 24x25 or 25x25. Some are 24x24, but some aren't. Fix that and I believe the problem will be solved.

I think bedplay owes Teya an apology.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:25 am

please can you show me visual.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:29 am

Teya wrote
from the example you posted, it does not look like those numbers are in the same place. The 7 seems higher.

Its look that you dont belive me again,ok i will put biger map and i will put in all pixel numbers to see better.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:30 am

Now i hope you can se better teya

if i dont right why you dont try to show me visual, like i do.

AndrewB · Post by **AndrewB** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:59 am

qwert wrote:Now i hope you can se better teya

if i dont right why you dont try to show me visual, like i do.

In this example your number 7 is size 12 by 8. In the other thread you have posted 12 by 7?

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:04 pm

Becouse number 1 have 7px horisontal and 12px vertical.

Teya · Post by **Teya** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:49 pm

why dont you believe Keyogi? Why dont you check for yourself? considering it is YOUR map.

It would also be quicker for you to check so you can fix the problem at the same time rather than arguing about it for a few pages.

Teya · Post by **Teya** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:14 pm

qwert wrote:Now i hope you can se better teya

if i dont right why you dont try to show me visual, like i do.

I said It SEEMS the 7 is higher. And I think it was because you didnt line the circles up properly in the example.

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:26 pm

qwert wrote:please can you show me visual.

I really don't have the time. I'm sure you can figure it out for yourself.

Why don't you just get rid of the army shadows if they're such a big problem to fix!?!

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:24 pm

Ok these my last try, if dont good then let andy say dont good and stop working in map, i understand that finaly andy judge.
And i know that 100 people can say that not mine if numbers 1 px left or right.I think that my map finish and these my last station, i dont go back. I waiting Andy decision.
Goodbye.

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