Obama's rating: Strong. But Average. And Way Divided.

black elk speaks · Post by **black elk speaks** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:11 am

mod edit

One of these things is not like the other......

Someone had to say it!

black elk speaks · Post by **black elk speaks** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:34 am

browng-08 wrote:
Hologram wrote:the "socialist".
Not too be insulting or anything, but everytime one of you calls Obama a socialist, I lol. I'm still a little amazed in the difference in perpective, even though we share a border, so much is seen so differently. It's like you never got out of the McCarthy era.

Really? Higher taxes for the purpose of "spreading the wealth" and centralized health care is socialism. It is not the Federal Governments responsibility to do these things. All the power (thanks to bush, in a large way) is floating to the top where the tug-o-war is in full effect for power supreme. To determine whether or not Obama will be a good President has yet to be seen, though, I believe that Biden will be President in short order. Nonetheless, BO's political stance is based on socialist positions that will take America the rest of the way from a world super power to just an average nation by diminishing it from within, where bush has practically destroyed it from without. Our 2 party system is malignant.

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:41 am

black elk speaks wrote:
Skittles! wrote:mod edit

One of these things is not like the other... one of these things just doesn't belong...

Someone had to say it!

Is it Ford?

black elk speaks · Post by **black elk speaks** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:43 am

strike wolf wrote:
black elk speaks wrote:
Skittles! wrote:mod edit

One of these things is not like the other... one of these things just doesn't belong...

Someone had to say it!

Is it Ford?

No stupid, its Carter!

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:27 am

black elk speaks wrote:I believe that Biden will be President in short order.

Spoken like a true racist.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:33 am

Hologram wrote:You know what though, in spite of it all both candidates retained their dignity. There have been no real smears since the conventions and the fact that McCain, while he was obviously on the verge of tears during that concession speech, didn't let the crowd boo Obama when he could've just sat back and let them go really says something to the character of the man.

yeah, McCain was gracious in defeat, which definitely says something for him as a person, if not a politician.

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:50 am

Backglass wrote:
black elk speaks wrote:I believe that Biden will be President in short order.
Spoken like a true racist. Are you out shopping for sniper rifles yet?

Say guys, such comments have been reported to secret service -- cool it or get interviewed. There is to "funny" part to assassination or threats of such.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:55 am

I make assassination jokes* with impunity.

admittedly usually of the kind "do you reckon I could feasibly confuse Palin with a moose?"

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:58 am

Caution -- Obama is president elect now and the secret service will take seriously any and I mean any, discussion of his assassination, as they should. It is not something to joke about, or mouth-off about. Forewarned, and 'nough said

pimpdave · Post by **pimpdave** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:00 am

Yeah, for real. Just like making bomb jokes in an airport is guaranteed fail, so are assassination jokes.

Plus, they aren't even funny.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:17 am

mpjh wrote:Caution -- Obama is president elect now and the secret service will take seriously any and I mean any, discussion of his assassination, as they should. It is not something to joke about, or mouth-off about. Forewarned, and 'nough said

Agreed...edited.

pimpdave · Post by **pimpdave** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:10 pm

OnlyAmbrose wrote:I called it 1 year and 1 month ago.

Pffft. I called it during the DNC of 2004.

And no, I can't prove that.

Hologram · Post by **Hologram** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:33 pm

black elk speaks wrote:
browng-08 wrote:
Hologram wrote:the "socialist".
Not too be insulting or anything, but everytime one of you calls Obama a socialist, I lol. I'm still a little amazed in the difference in perpective, even though we share a border, so much is seen so differently. It's like you never got out of the McCarthy era.
Really? Higher taxes for the purpose of "spreading the wealth" and centralized health care is socialism. It is not the Federal Governments responsibility to do these things. All the power (thanks to bush, in a large way) is floating to the top where the tug-o-war is in full effect for power supreme. To determine whether or not Obama will be a good President has yet to be seen, though, I believe that Biden will be President in short order. Nonetheless, BO's political stance is based on socialist positions that will take America the rest of the way from a world super power to just an average nation by diminishing it from within, where bush has practically destroyed it from without. Our 2 party system is malignant.

Well, you know there are a lot of people that say that federally subsidized healthcare is needed, socialistic or not. And since about 62% of all citizens believe this and given that our government is by the people and for the people, it apparently is the place of the government to provide healthcare.

Besides, one of the main functions of government is to provide for the general welfare of its people, and people have been saying that the federal government needed to take some form of control over healthcare since the Constitution. It's hardly new or radical.

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:31 pm

Now this is a thread of substance. It's got a little meat on it.

mccallan25 · Post by **mccallan25** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:20 pm

Meanwhile...nIce day at the DOW...looking at it tanking at -486 at 4:16pm EST. Lots of happy people selling now that we have a new direction soon. Shouldn't confidence be restored with a new Dem. coming to office? OH wait...it's just a new President...we have already had a Dem. Senate and Congress for 2 years.

I shudder at the thought of his first day. Glad I went liquid a year plus ago.

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:23 pm

Does you wife keep you in a glass at night?

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:26 pm

mccallan25 wrote:Meanwhile...nIce day at the DOW...looking at it tanking at -486 at 4:16pm EST. Lots of happy people selling now that we have a new direction soon. Shouldn't confidence be restored with a new Dem. coming to office? OH wait...it's just a new President...we have already had a Dem. Senate and Congress for 2 years.

I shudder at the thought of his first day. Glad I went liquid a year plus ago.

I would have been shocked if the DOW hadn't dropped personally. We've been in free fall for a while now, all we can hope for is that we reach the capitulation point as quickly as possible. At the moment political events are secondary to the rotten economy we've built ourselves.

Pedronicus · Post by **Pedronicus** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:18 pm

I heard that in his second / third day in his new job, obama will be briefed by high ranking security members.

Do you think that he will discover anything really new?

pimpdave · Post by **pimpdave** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:37 pm

Pedronicus wrote:I heard that in his second / third day in his new job, obama will be briefed by high ranking security members.

Do you think that he will discover anything really new?

You mean like the way Bush was briefed with a memo entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within USA"?

Probably, but I expect Mr. Obama's response to significantly more measured and considered, as opposed to reactionary cowboy posturing.

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:40 pm

Yes, I agree. The difference will be in the understanding of the information. Bush lack any real ability to see to the essence and formulate a strategy. That ability is one of Obama's strengths.

spurgistan · Post by **spurgistan** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:04 pm

Neoteny wrote:
spurgistan wrote:That is one of the weirder arguments I've heard against BO, and I've heard it before. And no, it's not racism, in fact it defies the conventional definition of race.
It kinda is racist though, to say that a mixed individual is an abomination because of his race.

Well, no, although the original context is sprinkled somewhere in the vagaries of this thread, I believe the OP was trying to say something to the effect that Obama was disgracing mixed individuals by "pretending" to be black, even though race as a social construct should logically be up to the individual. If I want to be Asian, and my new Asian posse is ok with that, I'm not quite sure why I'm not Asian. Extreme example.

And thanks, Iz.

PopeBenXVI · Post by **PopeBenXVI** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:31 pm

Well at least the assramers in California are pissed. It couldn't have happened to a better state. That was the highlight of the night!

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:33 pm

First, lesbians are not assrammers.

Second, they still get all the legal rights of married people, they just don't have a marriage certificate.

PopeBenXVI · Post by **PopeBenXVI** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:45 pm

Sorry, I did not know you were so into their culture. I guess I should be more politically correct. Faggy male assramers & Dikes.

Hologram · Post by **Hologram** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:09 pm

Goodnight sweet substance. And may flights of angels sing thee to thy dreams.

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