Insomniac Mafia Over! Town and Survivor Win!

[gimpyThewonder]

no thezz, i just wanted to make sure actions were sent in

vote no lynch

[pancakemix]

Vote Count

Skoff 2 (nag, kwan)
No Lynch 3 (Skoff, Thez, gimpy)

7 awake takes 4 to lynch. Prod/replace requests?

[nagerous]

unvote vote no lynch

whatever... once I'm cleared (if tap has sense )

then we'll lynch skoffmeister.

[pancakemix]

When it seemed as though everyone was clear, the people decided to wait until morning to decide on their next course of action. When the sun rose, deliberation began once again.

Day 5 has begun.

[Thezzaruz]

Well then, did we get any fun results from any actions???

[gimpyThewonder]

tal?

[Talapus]

Well, I did investigate nag and got the result "third party". So ya, he's cult or survivor......open to interpretation I guess.

[Thezzaruz]

Well then. That result would indicate that nag is the remaining cult. ofc it could also be Tal trying to shift the blame but IMO that's much less likely and in any case it will show upon lynch.

So I propose we Vote nagerous and if he is shown to be Cult we next go for the remaining Scum. And if nag turns out to be Town then that would mean Tal is up to no good.

[Skoffin]

Well that's the tricksy thing, the third party bit could be from being cult, or it could prove he is a survivor. His survivor claim is as bad as my miller claim.
I'm interested in gimp's results. Also, I'd like to get some clarification from earlier. Gimpy, could you list exactly what you did each phase and what results you got each phase?
I have a crackpot theory but I need to know the answers before I can know just how crackpot it is.

[nagerous]

You tits I have already told you I am a survivor, that is third party...


lynch skoffin now

vote skoffin


I am not losing this game....

[Thezzaruz]

I'm interested in gimp's results.

Me too.

His survivor claim is as bad as my miller claim.

Certainly, if not even worse tbh.



I like the fact that we didn't have a NK either.

[nagerous]

Are you actually serious that a survivor claim is worse than a miller claim? What the hell are you actually talking about? I forgot that survivor would come out third party, but the fact that it has surely collaborates with my claim. I wanted to be cleared... as you can see by my insistence that I should be investigated but the result is 'third party' and you guys argue this is not evidence that I am cleared, hence your votes but can you not understand that this actually backs up my claim. If I was cult don't you think the cult would have won by now???? There would have been plenty of nights for me to recruit a large backup and the fact that this hasn't happened is clear indication no? Also, bar godfather, cults always begin with one recruiter at the beginning, and the fact that the cult leader died night one, probably trying to recruit scum and failing shows that I am obv not cult, also why would he try and recruit neoteny anyway, seems like a very odd choice that william would not have picked.

Vote skoffin please, don't f*ck around voting a survivor, it is completely and utterly illogical move on your part. A miller claim is so dodgy, also PCM never tells people when they are death millers which skoff claims, so I know she is lying. Also, I'm going to call skoffin's bluff on her hunter claim and say if you really are a hunter death miller, which I know to be total BS then shoot me down when you go down.

[nagerous]

There is most likely a mafia left, not a cult as illustrated by the fact that one of the mafia turned into a serial killer.... that implies that he left the mafia, meaning there are other members of the mafia. PCM with 19 players and lots of power roles wouldn't have left the mafia that weak...

SKoffin is the final scum. It's so obvious.

[Thezzaruz]

I forgot that survivor would come out third party, but the fact that it has surely collaborates with my claim.

Not really as Cult most likely comes out as third party too. Not at all sure there is a survivor in this game tbh.

If I was cult don't you think the cult would have won by now???? There would have been plenty of nights for me to recruit a large backup and the fact that this hasn't happened is clear indication no?

No that's a flawed argument. I see no reason for will's recruiting powers to be passed on just because he died.

Also, bar godfather, cults always begin with one recruiter at the beginning, and the fact that the cult leader died night one, probably trying to recruit scum and failing shows that I am obv not cult

Also a flawed argument, there is nothing in the scene or in the time of will's death that would indicate him dying that way. Looks waay more likely he was NKed by the scum for claiming cop and pushing for a lynch of the godfather.

that implies that he left the mafia, meaning there are other members of the mafia. PCM with 19 players and lots of power roles wouldn't have left the mafia that weak...

Another flawed argument. Such a switch is more likely to be a set event than PCM trying some mid-game balancing.

There is most likely a mafia left, not a cult as illustrated by the fact that one of the mafia turned into a serial killer....

Well I think there is one of each tbqh.

also why would he try and recruit neoteny anyway, seems like a very odd choice that william would not have picked.

That is a good question but we have no idea who or why will choose to recruit or even if he recruited.



All in all, my vote stays for now but I'm open to other suggestions. Will be particulary interesting to hear what gimpy found out last night.

[nagerous]

I forgot that survivor would come out third party, but the fact that it has surely collaborates with my claim.

Not really as Cult most likely comes out as third party too. Not at all sure there is a survivor in this game tbh.

Why would there not be a survivor in the game? It is a common role and there no reason for there not to be one

If I was cult don't you think the cult would have won by now???? There would have been plenty of nights for me to recruit a large backup and the fact that this hasn't happened is clear indication no?

No that's a flawed argument. I see no reason for will's recruiting powers to be passed on just because he died.

Wrong... often in games the recruiting power is passed on to other members, check inquisition for example. Where i was cult and had the power passed onto me

Also, bar godfather, cults always begin with one recruiter at the beginning, and the fact that the cult leader died night one, probably trying to recruit scum and failing shows that I am obv not cult

Also a flawed argument, there is nothing in the scene or in the time of will's death that would indicate him dying that way. Looks waay more likely he was NKed by the scum for claiming cop and pushing for a lynch of the godfather.

Flawed argument yourself, the moderator would never put key information in scenes, it is in the rules, the deaths are for you to interpret as you want.

that implies that he left the mafia, meaning there are other members of the mafia. PCM with 19 players and lots of power roles wouldn't have left the mafia that weak...

Another flawed argument. Such a switch is more likely to be a set event than PCM trying some mid-game balancing.

No... that is a flawed argument, PCM would not mid-game balance, I have played mafia for a long time here and know for a fact that any mid-game balancing by moderators is highly frowned upon and there would be uproar if PCM had tried such a trick.

There is most likely a mafia left, not a cult as illustrated by the fact that one of the mafia turned into a serial killer....

Well I think there is one of each tbqh.

Well if you think there is one of each, why aren't you voting skoffin who's claim is much worse than mine and is totally if not completely suspicious, it seems like you just have a vendetta against me.

also why would he try and recruit neoteny anyway, seems like a very odd choice that william would not have picked.

That is a good question but we have no idea who or why will choose to recruit or even if he recruited.



All in all, my vote stays for now but I'm open to other suggestions. Will be particulary interesting to hear what gimpy found out last night.

Thankyou, for complementing my Very valid point.... there is no reason for your vote against me except for the fact that an investigation on me actually corroborated with my claim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gimpyThewonder]

for the record skoffin hasn't visited anyone during this game. to me that coroberates her story, if she were scum she woulda pow-wowed w/ them each night/day or however they chose a target. which is actaully a good question, now that i think about it. did the scum talk, when, how?

as for my results (1-3 were from fircoal 4 was from me):
Day 1: The Weird One targeted nobody
Day 2: Animorpherv1 targeted nobody
Day 3: / targeted william18 and animorpherv1
Day 4: MM targeted ga7, ME (fircoal), Skoffin, and sheepofdumb(twice)
Day 5: skoffin targeted nobody

as you can see my tracking skills are not limited to the night in question but are game long accumulated results which makes the role way better imo, especially this late in the game.

[nagerous]

This game is giving me a headache . Trying to survive is hard.

[Thezzaruz]

Why would there not be a survivor in the game? It is a common role and there no reason for there not to be one

Because a survivor would be something like 5th party and I'm not at all convinced of there being such a role. Granted this is one fecked up game ( good one PCM ) so it is still possible.

Wrong... often in games the recruiting power is passed on to other members, check inquisition for example. Where i was cult and had the power passed onto me

Often??? Nah I say.

Flawed argument yourself, the moderator would never put key information in scenes, it is in the rules, the deaths are for you to interpret as you want.

The fact still remains that there where 2 kills that night and 1 was a SK kill. IMO it is way more likely that the other one was a scum NK than it being a recruitment gone bad. And hence your point falls flat on its face.

that implies that he left the mafia, meaning there are other members of the mafia. PCM with 19 players and lots of power roles wouldn't have left the mafia that weak...

Another flawed argument. Such a switch is more likely to be a set event than PCM trying some mid-game balancing.

No... that is a flawed argument, PCM would not mid-game balance, I have played mafia for a long time here and know for a fact that any mid-game balancing by moderators is highly frowned upon and there would be uproar if PCM had tried such a trick.

You really need to stop skimming.
My whole point was that your point is void unless PCM did some mid-game balancing. And as we seem to agree that he wouldn't do such a thing well then I guess we agree on your point being void too.

Well if you think there is one of each, why aren't you voting skoffin who's claim is much worse than mine and is totally if not completely suspicious, it seems like you just have a vendetta against me.

Nope vendetta at all. You just have a crap claim and loads of holes in your story. If there was any other good leads (I will ponder gimpys results tomorrow) then I'll gladly follow them but atm there is none.

[Thezzaruz]

to me that coroberates her story, if she were scum she woulda pow-wowed w/ them each night/day or however they chose a target. which is actaully a good question, now that i think about it. did the scum talk, when, how?

I don't think that regular scum "pow-wow's" would show up for a tracker or watcher as it ain't an action in the same way as kills and stuff are.

[nagerous]

Mr. Incrediball (replaced by sheepofdumb) (Day Mafia Doc turned Serial Killer)

Read that and weep.

[nagerous]

Because Sheep left the mafia.... I doubt mafia would be so weak as just 3 members. In PCMs other game there were 16 players and 4 mafia.. so I do know what I am talking about.

[Thezzaruz]

Mr. Incrediball (replaced by sheepofdumb) (Day Mafia Doc turned Serial Killer)

Read that and weep.

Oh ffs, STOP SKIMMING. Do you even remember what point you are arguing?



This is your original statement:

There is most likely a mafia left, not a cult as illustrated by the fact that one of the mafia turned into a serial killer.... that implies that he left the mafia, meaning there are other members of the mafia. PCM with 19 players and lots of power roles wouldn't have left the mafia that weak...

SKoffin is the final scum. It's so obvious.

The blue part is you implying that the fact that someone changed role somehow should mean something about how many scum there is left.



And to that I responded:

Such a switch is more likely to be a set event than PCM trying some mid-game balancing.

Re-read that a few time and see if it sinks in.



I'll help you, sheeps change of role has no bearing whatsoever on how many scum there was (or is) in this game as it was a PRE-SET change.



Well anyhow, UnVote. I'm not in any way sure of your innocence but having looked around to get some ideas I found a few fishy things that needs pondering before a decision is reached and it's was to late atm so I'll be back tomorrow instead.

[pancakemix]

Thezzaruz and nagerous had been exchanging harsh words over the cryptic meanings of all the evidence they had before them. Before long, tensions escalated and each stormed off in opposite directions. A bit later, a blood curdling scream was heard from inside a warehouse belonging to a breakfast baron. When the door was opened, the boxes of waffle batter were toppled over, and Thezzaruz lay underneath. He had been crushed under the weight of the packages. When his house was searched, it was found that he had a degree in medicine.

Thezzarus (Day Doctor) is dead.

Continue with day. With 6 awake it takes 3 to lynch.

[nagerous]

Holy shite!

*runs off into the distance*

[nagerous]

Mr. Incrediball (replaced by sheepofdumb) (Day Mafia Doc turned Serial Killer)

Read that and weep.

Oh ffs, STOP SKIMMING. Do you even remember what point you are arguing?



This is your original statement:

There is most likely a mafia left, not a cult as illustrated by the fact that one of the mafia turned into a serial killer.... that implies that he left the mafia, meaning there are other members of the mafia. PCM with 19 players and lots of power roles wouldn't have left the mafia that weak...

SKoffin is the final scum. It's so obvious.

The blue part is you implying that the fact that someone changed role somehow should mean something about how many scum there is left.



And to that I responded:

Such a switch is more likely to be a set event than PCM trying some mid-game balancing.

Re-read that a few time and see if it sinks in.



I'll help you, sheeps change of role has no bearing whatsoever on how many scum there was (or is) in this game as it was a PRE-SET change.



Well anyhow, UnVote. I'm not in any way sure of your innocence but having looked around to get some ideas I found a few fishy things that needs pondering before a decision is reached and it's was to late atm so I'll be back tomorrow instead.

YOURE SKIMMING MY POSTS BY ACCUSING ME OF SKIMMING. I AM SAYING THAT PCM WOULDNT HAVE MADE MAFIA SO WEAK WITH THE PRESET CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know made a slight error earlier but I am arguing that mafia is not so weak if there was a pre-set change to begin with !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And no you cannot respond because you are dead.