Power Role Draft Mafia - Town Wins!

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Big was my number one choice but I didn't get it

[drunkmonkey]

Vig is higher than my role. Not that it helps much.

That actually does help, as it narrows the field down to 6 people.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

vig was my number one choice but I didn't get it

EBWOP

[drunkmonkey]

Vig is higher than my role. Not that it helps much.

That actually does help, as it narrows the field down to 6 people.

I meant to quote CLEVER. I was wondering why he said it didn't help much.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Vig is higher than my role. Not that it helps much.

That actually does help, as it narrows the field down to 6 people.

I meant to quote CLEVER. I was wondering why he said it didn't help much.

you confuse me lol
Anyway I got my second choice but vig was my first
Does that honestly help arrow it down and if so how? I'm not good with this numbers game

[drunkmonkey]

If vig was CLEVER's first choice, but he didn't get it, that means someone above him took it. Here's the top of the list.

Alt1978 – 11
MoB – 14 (replaced by drunkmonkey)
Djfireside – 17
Soundman – 22
Nagerous - 6
Dazza – 6
Somethingclever – 9

I'm not the vig. Assuming CLEVER's telling the truth, either atl1978, Djfireside, soundman, nagerous or dazza got the vig role.

[dazza2008]

If vig was CLEVER's first choice, but he didn't get it, that means someone above him took it. Here's the top of the list.

Alt1978 – 11
MoB – 14 (replaced by drunkmonkey)
Djfireside – 17
Soundman – 22
Nagerous - 6
Dazza – 6
Somethingclever – 9

I'm not the vig. Assuming CLEVER's telling the truth, either atl1978, Djfireside, soundman, nagerous or dazza got the vig role.

I am also not the vig. Do we need a top 6 mass claim here? Could out a fair bit of town power but would catch the Vig. assuming Clever is telling the truth.

What should we do? If we do claim what is the best order to claim in. There must be something logical but I am shite at that stuff

[Some7hingCLEVER]

well having them claim because i said that wouldnt make sense unless i also claimed so you would actually know that i am not vig. dont get me wrong lol i love that you guys believe me for once, but i dont want it to be thrown in my face in some way shape or form.

[pmchugh]

Firstly we need to be careful and remember that clever could be mafia and lying, although I doubt it especially given his offer to claim.

I don't think we should have a mass claim, we can do this sensibly.

What we do want, is a mass "I am not the vig" confirmation amongst the top 6.

So far the only people not to confirm are:
nag
alt
soundman.

People who claim not to be vig but could be:
drunk
dazza
dj

I have a feeling that no one will own up to being the vig, in which case we scum hunt between them. We make cases and decide who we each would like to claim first. If they pass then we move on to the next player.

[everywhere116]

I have a feeling that no one will own up to being the vig, in which case we scum hunt between them. We make cases and decide who we each would like to claim first. If they pass then we move on to the next player.

Pretty much. Even if the vig is town, with no doctor he is screwed if he comes out, barring some other unforeseen protection. We also don't have enough reason to declare one way or the other that the vig is scum. One faulty nightkill is standard, albeit ill-advised on night 1. For these reasons I will echo what I said on day 1: "I support you in this endeavor and think that the vig deserves some scrutiny. On Day 3. First we lynch ghost."

With another possible night kill we also would have more info.

[spiesr]

Pretty much. Even if the vig is town, with no doctor he is screwed if he comes out, barring some other unforeseen protection. We also don't have enough reason to declare one way or the other that the vig is scum. One faulty nightkill is standard, albeit ill-advised on night 1. For these reasons I will echo what I said on day 1: "I support you in this endeavor and think that the vig deserves some scrutiny. On Day 3. First we lynch ghost."

With another possible night kill we also would have more info.

Trying to let more people get killed?

[everywhere116]

No. I don't want more people killed, but I don't think we're going to get the vig to claim nor should we even want a townie vig to claim without a doctor or any compelling reason to believe that the vig is scum. I think discussing the possibility is fine, but actively hunting for him is too risky.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

No. I don't want more people killed, but I don't think we're going to get the vig to claim nor should we even want a townie vig to claim without a doctor or any compelling reason to believe that the vig is scum. I think discussing the possibility is fine, but actively hunting for him is too risky.

i do see the logic in this post
anyway i said i didnt get my choice as to help as it wouldnt hurt me at all

[pmchugh]

No. I don't want more people killed, but I don't think we're going to get the vig to claim nor should we even want a townie vig to claim without a doctor or any compelling reason to believe that the vig is scum. I think discussing the possibility is fine, but actively hunting for him is too risky.

If the town vig shot freezie or raigan, then (s)he is an idiot. The only problem I have is that the JOAT may be the one that shot. Although I would expect the mafia to get vig anyway. The vig should definitely claim if townie, I'd much rather lose a vig than a watcher/tracker/cop.

Anyway the main point is that removal of the vig gives us an extra day compared with removal of standard mafia. If we lynch blue today then it is MYLO and we will likely have straight up counter claims tomorrow aka a coin toss.

[ghostly447]

Ive got this somewhat.

Alt1978 – 11

MoB – 14 (replaced by drunkmonkey) - Claims not vig

Djfireside – 17 - Claims not vig

Soundman – 22

Nagerous - 6

Dazza – 6- Claims not vig

Now by analysis, here is my thoughts.
2 mafia would choose Identical numbers to attempt to get framer and ninja (or at least 1 claim a common number to get the ninja).
then the rest would pick random, un thought of numbers to get their other wanted roles. Which would likely be Vig and maybe JOAT, or at least another killing role.

So, by this, I conclude our Vig is probably Mafia, and it is probably one of the following players:
Alt- Less likely in my opinion. He gives big posts every once in awhile, but is mostly inactive.
MoB (Drunkmonkey)- MoB is normally a sly player and I wouldnt be surprised if it was him. Though I cannot judge based on that.
DJ- I am not seeing him to be as active as some (though that may be because he was waiting out the debate).
Soundman- Soundman is good. And I dont think he will claim even if he is the town vig unless forced to. If this is the case, it could play to his disadvantage if he is forced to claim and claims town vig.

That is just my analysis from this. I dont know anything about it, and cant be sure, but if that helps narrow down the list, then thats good .

[everywhere116]

No. I don't want more people killed, but I don't think we're going to get the vig to claim nor should we even want a townie vig to claim without a doctor or any compelling reason to believe that the vig is scum. I think discussing the possibility is fine, but actively hunting for him is too risky.

If the town vig shot freezie or raigan, then (s)he is an idiot. The only problem I have is that the JOAT may be the one that shot. Although I would expect the mafia to get vig anyway. The vig should definitely claim if townie, I'd much rather lose a vig than a watcher/tracker/cop.

Anyway the main point is that removal of the vig gives us an extra day compared with removal of standard mafia. If we lynch blue today then it is MYLO and we will likely have straight up counter claims tomorrow aka a coin toss.

Hmm. While the line I underlined is pretty conclusive evidence that you are on crack, I can see your logic behind wanting to lynch a scum vig rather than a normal scum (and if ghostly is scum he is most likely the framer). You want to decrease the rate at which townies die. I can understand that.

[alt1978]

In response to the conversation going on...I am not the vig. It's location on my list doesn't much matter since I got my first pick...but for the record it was 7th. That may seem a little high for town...but i had a pretty good understanding of the role so that's why i put it there.

In response to the general idea by pmc...I think it's a really good one. If nothing else...this is going to pin folks down to going on the record for x, y, and z. The idea specifically that I am referring to is the rate of attrition...so to stop the bleeding if you will...tracking down the vig has a ton of merit.

[pmchugh]

No. I don't want more people killed, but I don't think we're going to get the vig to claim nor should we even want a townie vig to claim without a doctor or any compelling reason to believe that the vig is scum. I think discussing the possibility is fine, but actively hunting for him is too risky.

If the town vig shot freezie or raigan, then (s)he is an idiot. The only problem I have is that the JOAT may be the one that shot. Although I would expect the mafia to get vig anyway. The vig should definitely claim if townie, I'd much rather lose a vig than a watcher/tracker/cop.

Anyway the main point is that removal of the vig gives us an extra day compared with removal of standard mafia. If we lynch blue today then it is MYLO and we will likely have straight up counter claims tomorrow aka a coin toss.

Hmm. While the line I underlined is pretty conclusive evidence that you are on crack, I can see your logic behind wanting to lynch a scum vig rather than a normal scum (and if ghostly is scum he is most likely the framer). You want to decrease the rate at which townies die. I can understand that.

On crack? You think vig is more valuable than an investigative role? Vigilantes have nothing but their own intuition and if they are wrong then they f*ck it up for town, if a cop is wrong he just clears someone. Plus there is a busdriver in this game, if he is a townie then he can switch people about to f*ck up the kill.

In response to the conversation going on...I am not the vig. It's location on my list doesn't much matter since I got my first pick...but for the record it was 7th. That may seem a little high for town...but i had a pretty good understanding of the role so that's why i put it there.

In response to the general idea by pmc...I think it's a really good one. If nothing else...this is going to pin folks down to going on the record for x, y, and z. The idea specifically that I am referring to is the rate of attrition...so to stop the bleeding if you will...tracking down the vig has a ton of merit.

7th? If anything that is too low for a townie, not too high.

[Djfireside]

As some have concluded from my statements earlier I am also not the vig. In correspondance with other peoples statement I placed it 3rd. I feel that it would be the beset interest of the town if the vig is town that they should come forward and if they caused this to explain cause otherwise we are searching for the JOAT and that would help us to determine what we are looking for.

[nagerous]

I also confirm I am not the vig and I can also clear dazza as vig was above the choice that I picked

[drunkmonkey]

Well, two options left:
1) soundman is the vig
2) somebody's lying

[edocsil]

2) somebody's lying ~ duh? Not like the vig is gonna claim...

[drunkmonkey]

Yes that would be nice. Is there anyone who can narrow the vig window down?

Also, if the vig is town he should just straight up claim and explain why he killed or place blame on the JOAT if he didn't.

This could work.

2) somebody's lying ~ duh? Not like the vig is gonna claim...

Why the change of heart?

[nagerous]

Soundman has been posting in other threads but avoiding this one,

I do have a theory, but I want to hear him post first.

[soundman]

I agreed with Everywhere's earlier statement. Why not wait till Day Three? The night will tell us more.

No. I don't want more people killed, but I don't think we're going to get the vig to claim nor should we even want a townie vig to claim without a doctor or any compelling reason to believe that the vig is scum. I think discussing the possibility is fine, but actively hunting for him is too risky.

If the town vig shot freezie or raigan, then (s)he is an idiot. The only problem I have is that the JOAT may be the one that shot. Although I would expect the mafia to get vig anyway. The vig should definitely claim if townie, I'd much rather lose a vig than a watcher/tracker/cop.

Anyway the main point is that removal of the vig gives us an extra day compared with removal of standard mafia. If we lynch blue today then it is MYLO and we will likely have straight up counter claims tomorrow aka a coin toss.

You're running on the assumption that the vig made the kill and that the vig is mafia. What is s/he didn't make the kill and s/he's town? Then by making them come forward just so you can lynch them does not benefit the town. All you're doing then is losing a town PR and putting town into a worse position. And no way is anyone going to say "Oh yeah, I'm the vig and I'm Town" because they know you just want to lynch the vig no matter their alignment.

Fastposted. I've been writing Nag.