Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[soundman]

Pfft...either way we're losing a townie, I believe. It's a choice of removing a townie that jumps around like a bouncy ball, or one that does absolutely nothing?

I chose bouncy ball, hoping that Eldario does something for us later...however, I think he won't...so we'll drag his dead carcass along until we get tired of him, and lynch him for no activity.

Not only is he a bouncy ball but he's a scummy bouncy ball. Between lynching an inactive or a scummy player, I'll always choose the scummy one. We can give the inactive player another chance to be active and then lynch him at our leisure if he's not.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Neb(2)- cm5, edoc
dazza(1)- freezie
hippo(8)- sound, cowboyz, betiko, dazza, eldario, neb, clever, mob
jak(1)- spart
eldario(8)- shield, hippo, everywhere, DJ, doom, IB, jonty, chuck


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

[safariguy5]

Announcement

pmchugh replaces Spartacus.

[pmchugh]

Confirm, gimmie time to read those 46 pages and post thoughts.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Confirm, gimmie time to read those 46 pages and post thoughts.

Welcome aboard, and I hope you have the rest of the day free!

[everywhere116]

Well, I suppose I was wrong. It did happen.

Unvote vote hippo

[jak111]

Confirm, gimmie time to read those 46 pages and post thoughts.

Just so you can keep your head on current events we have 3 vt's and 2 masons.
Masons:
Doom
Jak (me)

VTs
Neb
Eldario
Hippo

We seem to be in a perfect split of Eldario and Hippo, so it's most likely going to be one of them today.

[Leehar]

Confirm, gimmie time to read those 46 pages and post thoughts.

Just so you can keep your head on current events we have 3 vt's and 2 masons.
Masons:
Doom
Jak (me)

VTs
Neb
Eldario
Hippo

We seem to be in a perfect split of Eldario and Hippo, so it's most likely going to be one of them today.

So lets hear your conclusions? Are you gonna jump back on Eldario because he still hasn't spoken more, or hippo who could be more of a liability than an asset (and instead of being a blank slate like Eld so far?)

[jak111]

I don't know, both are equally fair game. One vote hops like every second post, the other doesn't contribute to the game. I mean at least Hippo is active, but at the same time his vote hopping is a bit unsettling, Haven't gotten around to going all the way through yet, been reading the other Mafia's pages. I'll get around to this one hopefully by the end of the night. Though I wish I didn't procrastinate o.e... I read like 5 pages, and then I go play a game on another site for like 30 mins XDDD.

[DoomYoshi]

Well, if hippo is a VT, he shouldn't worry too much about a lynch, since he can probably hop in as a replacement pretty soon.

vote pmc

Welcome to the Game!

But since sg7 isn't here:

vote pmc

Welcome to the Game!

Finally,

vote hippo

[thehippo8]

Hey there

In answer to why I early claimed, I simply couldn't see any purpose in delaying my claim given I'm just a VT. Lol, I was actually expectinh y'all to continue pressuring an inactive and not all come piling on me like a sorority pile-up. But hey, y'all gotta enjoy what you do.

There's always this desperation to take out a townie on day 1. It never changes. I'm a cheap kill and maybe y'all will start to think a bit more once I'm lynched and you realise I am town.

As to all the "you flip flop" accusation, I'm no different than half the rest of you. Indeed, many of you have unvote before you can vote me so y'all are hypocrits to boot! It's a bit like watching sheep. But y'all have been overstating things something chronic!

But either get back onto the Eldario case where you belong or look scummy and live with that in D2.

One additional pointing in claiming. You don't have to claim ever and that'll probably get you lynched right there. You can leave it till L2 (which seems now to be a traditional but in this situation I believe a wasteful thing to do). Or you can get on a claim when you realise there is in your own opinion sufficient pressure to see that the vote is potentially getting split (as I have done here). For some of you who didn't pile on me you said you'd likely pressure me D2 so I considered it better to get it out there. I'm easy enough to check as a cop could come on and investigate me. And before y'all say but that exposes the cop, it does not. Because the cop can do the investigation and when he sees I'm town he can keep his mouth shut. If the cop investigatesd someone else and comes up mafia then you would expect them to speak up and they would be protected be a doctor (who you'd hope would definitely keep their mouth shut) and it becomes a game of follow the cop.

So what'll it be?



FASTPOSTED by Doom

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Hey there

In answer to why I early claimed, I simply couldn't see any purpose in delaying my claim given I'm just a VT. Lol, I was actually expectinh y'all to continue pressuring an inactive and not all come piling on me like a sorority pile-up. But hey, y'all gotta enjoy what you do.

There's always this desperation to take out a townie on day 1. It never changes. I'm a cheap kill and maybe y'all will start to think a bit more once I'm lynched and you realise I am town.

As to all the "you flip flop" accusation, I'm no different than half the rest of you. Indeed, many of you have unvote before you can vote me so y'all are hypocrits to boot! It's a bit like watching sheep. But y'all have been overstating things something chronic!

But either get back onto the Eldario case where you belong or look scummy and live with that in D2.

One additional pointing in claiming. You don't have to claim ever and that'll probably get you lynched right there. You can leave it till L2 (which seems now to be a traditional but in this situation I believe a wasteful thing to do). Or you can get on a claim when you realise there is in your own opinion sufficient pressure to see that the vote is potentially getting split (as I have done here). For some of you who didn't pile on me you said you'd likely pressure me D2 so I considered it better to get it out there. I'm easy enough to check as a cop could come on and investigate me. And before y'all say but that exposes the cop, it does not. Because the cop can do the investigation and when he sees I'm town he can keep his mouth shut. If the cop investigatesd someone else and comes up mafia then you would expect them to speak up and they would be protected be a doctor (who you'd hope would definitely keep their mouth shut) and it becomes a game of follow the cop.

So what'll it be?



FASTPOSTED by Doom

ah now see im really torn i did have eldario as the one i wanted to lynch..but even when pressure is on him he says nothing. but hippo is being active. and i put my vote on hippo.

on comment though if your saying that our flip flopping as bad as you you are wrong. we have reasons. i think you didnt have any. idk i would have to go check but for now so i will unvote and decide which one i will choose

[Some7hingCLEVER]

unvote vote Roussallier for submarining

he was submarining good reason but then i replaced him

Pushing Edoc always gets a good response ...vote Edoc

stupid reason IMO

... oops ... clicked send before ... unvote

uhhh what?

well I was one of the guys who voted for roussalier and during my sleep saf has replaced him by clever and invalidated the roussalier vote, so people are just not paying attention. we were like 4 voters on him so obviously that makes a few people who are counted as none voters.

Otherwise I think that iron butterfly still shows to be actively submarining. I don't know yet about neb, so I'd rather try this new case out, there is already a few votes on IB.

Vote Iron butterfly

Oh yeah, I remember that now! Sorry mod!

I don't like the BWon Neb, but see no reason not to pressure IB some more, so ... unvote vote IB.

hmmm idk i guess this has reasons.

Ok, joke-voting is over.

I would have thought that flip-flopping would be appropriate for a Matrix themed game! For anyone confused about my voting have another shifty through the posts and it'll make mare sense to you. If not then Neo may be screwing with your perceptions!

So, back to the game. No comment from MoB I see. Not like you, and not acceptable buddy! Ya gotta be in it or you'll be out of it So, and to prove I am nothing if not consistent, unvote vote MoB

ehhh has a reason i guesss.

Aye, all I know is the mafia is hiding somewhere in these cases, I just need to find who's the guy(s) rushing my case. Sure a few are town, but I have a feeling one or two of them are mafia hiding in this.

The problem for you jak is that we agree that there must be a mafia in the case. But as far as we can tell, the mafia is you.

Incidentally, what is a super-ultimate-mafia-hunter? Is it a really good hunter of mafia? Or is iit a really good mafia who hunts? Anyways,your goose is cooked.

unvote vote jak

uhh what was the reason..a gut shot?

Jak has been scummy. If I wasn't his partner I would be on the BW too. Normally I wouldn't out myself, but I feel he already kinda outed me.

IB has been pretty thin-skinned this game, but that is a cat to skin a different day I think.

Vote the hippo

BW jumping combined with flying under radar/not contributing.

Sorry Doom, got back from holiday in the weekend and still trying to catch my tail. I've been reading and watching but you are right, not contributing. I consider my hand slapped. I am interested that Betico, Dazza and Sparticus are having lovely little chats and interludes. Looking really professional and on to it but IMHO seem joined at the hip and going unchallenged. IMHO Betico screams out loudest as being too "try hard" and "daddy" for my liking.

Unvote vote Betico

he is started to have reasons.

so i think that does it for me. most of his votes and unvotes have reasons. so i will have to vote eldario

[pmchugh]

Sorry guys, I can't get all the way through this until like tomorrow night. Football tomorrow

[thechuck51]

and it's possible that vts are all inhabitants from zion, it fits.
lock/locke is spelled the 2 ways; however he would've wrote it we could've said something after googleing it. I just think there are strong chances that both vt claims are true and that saf has put lots of vts in here.
fastposted.

Hippo's claim seems to support your zion inhabitants = VT. According to the matrix wiki Zee was a natural born citizen of zion.

[Iron Butterfly]

I believe Hippo. His claim fits.

He can be insightful when he is in his lucid periods.

[soundman]

and it's possible that vts are all inhabitants from zion, it fits.
lock/locke is spelled the 2 ways; however he would've wrote it we could've said something after googleing it. I just think there are strong chances that both vt claims are true and that saf has put lots of vts in here.
fastposted.

Hippo's claim seems to support your zion inhabitants = VT. According to the matrix wiki Zee was a natural born citizen of zion.

I'm thinking the same thing. And even though he's acted scummy, I believe his claim. Unvote. On the plus side he is fairly active. So only about two days left till the deadline. Do we try to chase down someone else, lynch eldario, or let the day pass without a lynch? If eldario doesn't post something of substance by tomorrow then I'll be voting him. We don't need any deadweight.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Grrr...upon reading CLEVER's analysis, it seems the jumping is a bit overstated afterall...UNVOTE

I can live with Eldario dying...

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Grrr...upon reading CLEVER's analysis, it seems the jumping is a bit overstated afterall...UNVOTE

I can live with Eldario dying...

but you didnt vote him? lol

[thechuck51]

Well, if hippo is a VT, he shouldn't worry too much about a lynch, since he can probably hop in as a replacement pretty soon.

vote pmc

Welcome to the Game!

But since sg7 isn't here:

vote pmc

Welcome to the Game!

Finally,

vote hippo

I must confess that I am confused by this post. Was there a formatting error or am I just missing something?

[thehippo8]

I have to be grateful to the seven sins (s7c) for his erudite elaborations! Like wow! But yes, every word correct (and substantially better than I believe I could bung together myself!). And thanks to the rest of you.

I guess it comes down to lynching a VT who's making no effort (eldario) or quickly mustering something. I suspect the latter is not an option. Therefore that leaves us with no lynch or bye bye Eldario!?

[thehippo8]

I have to be grateful to the seven sins (s7c) for his erudite elaborations! Like wow! But yes, every word correct (and substantially better than I believe I could bung together myself!). And thanks to the rest of you.

I guess it comes down to lynching a VT who's making no effort (eldario) or quickly mustering something. I suspect the latter is not an option. Therefore that leaves us with no lynch or bye bye Eldario!?

[thehippo8]

Sorry about the double post, internet annoyances!!

[jak111]

Vote Eldario, he's the only real option we have and he still hasn't contributed with one day left, so here is where my vote will rest for D1. Told you that if you didn't speak up and contribute it'd be back on ya bud.

[Eldario]

fine, since nothing I say can change your mind anyway I'll guess I'll have to accept my fate,
but I am still sceptic towards hippos early claim, and his reasoning in doing so,
despite several people stating that they were going to go back to me, when the time comes he kept insisting that he claimed early so to not lose a lynch, while in fact there where no real danger that so would be the case, and that he probably could have gotten away with less.