World 2.0/1 Map [Quenched]

[gavin_sidhu]

Outstanding job ZIM (and those who helped)!! This is by far the best map I've played.

Yah, great map, but far out the games go on forever. Joined 2 games when it first came out, theyre still both going.

[Hoff]

I think the S.A. bonus is perfect at 9.

[Lupo]

World Map 2.1

* Remove Norway <---> Moskva attack route from the XML and clean up border to make it clear that only Finland borders Moskva.

Couldn't be possible to not change Norway-Moska connection, but making it clearer that they do connect in the map as they do in reality?

Sugggestion: maybe, you could put an arrow in order to show better the attack route.

I really would like if Norway and Moskva still bordered!

Could you do something to solve this issue without erasing the connection?

Regards and good job!

[Nous-irons]

I'm not sure if this is a bug, is Hawaii part of Oceania and could someone please list me all the territories in Oceania. I thought I had them all but I didn't get the bonus

Dude, the Hawaiian language is part of the Oceanic languages, which are part of the Austronesian language family, the same family shared by MALAGASY, FILIPINO, MALAY and INDONESIAN.

Linguistically, Hawaii /is/ part of Oceania. Madagascar too: note how it was excluded from the African continent.

Hawaii is a US state but it really is closer to Austronesian culture than anything else.

A Sumatra-Magadascar link would mess up a lot of the balance, but alas, it would reflect an actual migration route.

[reverend_kyle]

I find triples are best on this map.. dont take too long because you're focused on one enemy.. and i've won both of em.

[gavin_sidhu]

damn, im going to be away while this is in development, was really looking forward to world 2.1. Well I'll outline what i think:

*When you change Brunei, call it Borneo not kalimantan. Indonesia refers to the island as kalimantan, but Malaysia and Brunei do not. Internationally it is known as Borneo.
*China is currently a massively strong country, the strongest country to hold in the whole map i believe. I think you should split it in half. This way you could keep the bonus as is. Make West China and East China, or Tibet and China, do something.
*Your map of Australia is screwed. I figured that you have the wrapping world idea going that makes Australia not completely vertical, but if you do that you have to fix your state borders (country borders on the map). instead of your lines being like | they will have to be like / if you get what i mean. Plz fix your state borders, they are really annoying me.
*Yes you should rename sorong to Irian Jaya.
*The South American bonus is fine, it is the same as the Australia bonus but Australia has one less country. If you want to make it more worth the 9, add the Falkland Islands.
*For aesthetics, I would like you to add Sakhalin to the map, not as a territory or anything, just for design, Japan looks weird without Sakhalin above.
*For retards like me who have trouble reading, i think British Claim should be renamed Argentine Claim. I got British Isles and British Claim confused (don't ask me how) and although it didn't effect my game too much it was slightly irritating.
*In the mini map the border between the Horn and Southern Africa looks bad.

Stuff that i think will radically change game play that you won't necessarily like:
*add connection between Chile and Australia, will add great wars between oceania and south America. bonuses may have to change if u decide to make this.
*Europe i think is in need of a design change, Moskva, baltics and Ukraine should be made a subcontinent, Poland should be removed from the West subcontinent. Europes bonus is currently too high, should be in line with Oceania and South America, maybe a bit higher.

[gavin_sidhu]

I find triples are best on this map.. dont take too long because you're focused on one enemy.. and i've won both of em.

Your right, triples are fairly quick. My triples game is winding up pretty fast round wise, just not time wise.

[sully800]

*China is currently a massively strong country, the strongest country to hold in the whole map i believe. I think you should split it in half. This way you could keep the bonus as is. Make West China and East China, or Tibet and China, do something.

I agree that splitting China is a better solution than lowering the bonus.

*The South American bonus is fine, it is the same as the Australia bonus but Australia has one less country. If you want to make it more worth the 9, add the Falkland Islands.

Oceania has one less country but one more total border which is why I think it should be worth more than SA. Expanding from the 2 subcontinents in SA to the whole continent decreases your borders from 5+ to 3. Expanding from the 2 subs of oceania to the whole continent increases your borders from 3 to 4. That means everyone wants to expand and hold all of SA. Holding all of Oceania is harder and should have a bonus at least 1 point higher. Whether Oceania goes up or SA goes down doesn't really matter, but I think decreasing SA is the better solution.


Also Zim, another problem is the entire border around Ecuador- you can't see it well because the army shadow covers it completely. I know many people think that Amazonas and Ecuador connect at first glance (and I have done that a few times as well). Without looking extremely closely it seems that ecuador is the whole area above the Peru army shadow. I would increase the size of Ecuador and move the shadow a little into the ocean to solve that problem.

[gerry22]

Add to the legend a list of all countries included in each continent.

[Bad Speler]

I tink SA should be lowered to 8, only 3 borders to defend. or add another border.

[sully800]

Add to the legend a list of all countries included in each continent.

I've heard that suggestion a few times....and I HATE it.

Do you have any idea how long that list would be? Where do you propose that we put such a thing?

I understand that hawaii was confusing some people- but zim is planning on moving the shadow so you can see where it actually belongs. In fact that is the whole point of coloring the countries- to know which grouping they belong in. So if you think two colors are too close they can be differentiated more. But with the coloring scheme and the mini map showing each of the subcontinents anything else is unnecessary (and wouldn't fit either!)

[casper]

Maybe make the army circles a little smaller...especially on the large map. They're way bigger than needed. Brunei's border wouldn't be so obscured.. And people wouldn't be having the problem with Hawaii...although I think it's pretty obvious that it's orange and not purple. Also I agree that South America should be 8. And this has been suggested before.. please move the word Panama so that it's underneath Guatemala. Right now it's too close to Guatemala and pretty confusing.

[sully800]

I don't think the army shadows are too large. They may look large with only a '1' on them or any other single digit number. But two digit numbers are quite common and if you look at any 2 digit number over 19 you will see there is not any extra room in the circle. A little extra height but not width.

This brings up an interesting point...why does everyone use circles? A rectangle would be a better use of space...a star or something could add some interest to a less crowded map. Hmm, I guess that is one instance where everyone simply chose to follow the precedent!

[alf128]

any ideas?

[RJP0501]

Is there anyway you could put a larger copy of the map somewhere on the internet? I find it so hard to determine which territories border which others on this rubbish monitor I have!

[gerry22]

Add to the legend a list of all countries included in each continent.

I've heard that suggestion a few times....and I HATE it.

Do you have any idea how long that list would be? Where do you propose that we put such a thing?

I understand that hawaii was confusing some people- but zim is planning on moving the shadow so you can see where it actually belongs. In fact that is the whole point of coloring the countries- to know which grouping they belong in. So if you think two colors are too close they can be differentiated more. But with the coloring scheme and the mini map showing each of the subcontinents anything else is unnecessary (and wouldn't fit either!)

It's pretty simple. You get a Sticky Post and list them there along with any other information about the map needed and then add just the link to the legend. Simple.

[Gilligan]

Why is Hawaii part of Oceania?

[bifgis]

Keep SA bonus the same.

[gavin_sidhu]

*China is currently a massively strong country, the strongest country to hold in the whole map i believe. I think you should split it in half. This way you could keep the bonus as is. Make West China and East China, or Tibet and China, do something.

I agree that splitting China is a better solution than lowering the bonus.

*The South American bonus is fine, it is the same as the Australia bonus but Australia has one less country. If you want to make it more worth the 9, add the Falkland Islands.

Oceania has one less country but one more total border which is why I think it should be worth more than SA. Expanding from the 2 subcontinents in SA to the whole continent decreases your borders from 5+ to 3. Expanding from the 2 subs of oceania to the whole continent increases your borders from 3 to 4. That means everyone wants to expand and hold all of SA. Holding all of Oceania is harder and should have a bonus at least 1 point higher. Whether Oceania goes up or SA goes down doesn't really matter, but I think decreasing SA is the better solution.

Well i think the solution should be to add more countries to SA (like Falklands) rather than decrease the bonus. I believe that South America is the best built continent on the map. Also with South America, once someone has broken through the defence, but taking at most three countries they can destroy all sub-continent bonuses, whereas in Oceania, it is much harder, if you break in from Mexico, which i believe the majority of continent breaks do occur from (from my playing expierience anyway), you need to take 7 countries before you break Australia's bonus. If you want to increase the borders for S.A. you could link up Guyanas and Caribbean.

Zim, i also think you need to do something about the sub-continent Central America, it is too easy to get a hold of from South America, I didn't even know I was holding it until about 3 turns after i first held it.

[w3a2]

my thoughts on this map:

SCRAP IT.

honestly, unless you can play 4v4 or 3v3v3, it's useless - even then i doubt it would be worthwhile.

the whole point is to have 'around 5 minutes per turn during your coffee break', and i spend half an hour just deploying the 50-odd troops every turn.




also, butts

[Wisse]

my thoughts on this map:

SCRAP IT.

honestly, unless you can play 4v4 or 3v3v3, it's useless - even then i doubt it would be worthwhile.

the whole point is to have 'around 5 minutes per turn during your coffee break', and i spend half an hour just deploying the 50-odd troops every turn.




also, butts

don't scrap it! its my faforite map!

[cowshrptrn]

my thoughts on this map:

SCRAP IT.

honestly, unless you can play 4v4 or 3v3v3, it's useless - even then i doubt it would be worthwhile.

the whole point is to have 'around 5 minutes per turn during your coffee break', and i spend half an hour just deploying the 50-odd troops every turn.




also, butts

don't scrap it! its my faforite map!

i concur, if you don't feel like spending so much time deploying troops then don't play this map.

[zim]

Small:


Large:


XML:
http://www.zims.com/blog/images/v21v1.xml


Changes made:
* Changed Brunei into Borneo and Central Indonesia into Sulawesi moving borders, army circles and adjusting XML as required. Should elminate the number one source of confusion.
* Removed Norway <---> Moskva attack route from the XML and clean up border to make it clear that only Finland borders Moskva.
* Removed second reference to Finland from Moskva XML (doesn't affect game play but clean code is better...)
* Moved Korea/China border so that it is clearer that Korea does not border Irkutsk.
* Corrected spelling of Venezuala.
* Made Peru/Chile border clearer.
* Moved Hawaii army shadow (and enlarged Hawaii slightly) to make it more visible that it is Orange and hence part of Oceania
* Renamed Sorgon to Irian Jaya
Other possible edits/updates:
* Moved Ecuador army shadow so that the fact that Ecuador borders Colombia and Peru but not Amazonas is clearer.

All of the changes above except Norway <--> Moskva (which I think most people were unaware of) do not affect game play/strategy they simply make the original intent clearer. I think this version can replace the current version without ruining any games in progress.

A number of suggestions like the splitting of China or adding a Chile <---> Australia sea lane while potentially improvements to the map would impact any games in progress and I don't think the map "needs" them to fix critical flaws. Thoughts?

Cheers,

Zim

P.S. gavin, not sure what you mean with respect to Australia state borders, I agree Australia is usually shown such that the borders are "straight" north south but given the projection used here I think they are accurate though I'm no cartographer so if I've misaligned them let me know what you'd suggest... The project is Robinson see info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_projection

[Wisse]

* Moved Ecuador army shadow so that the fact that Ecuador borders Colombia and Peru but not Amazonas is clearer.

thanks for that update! w00t that was the only problem i did have

[WidowMakers]

Sumatra Still has a line that appears to go to Borneo. I know it doesn't, but the line to the island shows it does. Just letting you know. This is that main cause of confusion with the current map and I do not beleive this map has fixed the issue. If you want to keep it the same, make Borneo smaller and move it up so the line from Sumatra and Sulawesi is not broken. Then connect Sulawesi and Borneo.