H.E. Mafia, Game Over, Town Prevails. [archive plox]

[jonty125]

Can we get a vote count. There have been 5 votes on saf on the last page which makes him L-4. And ghostly had already voted him back on page Page 44. So I think he is at L-3.

unvote vote saf

L-2 unless I'm mistaken.

[safariguy5]

He wasn't saying that you were for sure mafia because of this. He's saying that if saf is a mafia roleblocker, then you couldn't have been roleblocked last night, meaning that you are lying. Which most likely means that the town doesn't want you around.

Well, even then, we had a bus-driver alive last night who is now too dead to tell us what he did. So, it could be possible that he switched Safariguy someone, and there fore Safariguy was not role-blocked by Soundman, leaving him free to block Ghostly. So I would say it would be impossible for Ghostly to be telling the truth should Safariguy turn up as a scum role-blocker. But, it would be increasingly hard to justify...
On that note, did anybody else notice that they were role-blocked last night?

This. How do you explain ghostly getting roleblocked if you didn't roleblock him soundman? I provide an explanation for how ghostly got roleblocked. You do not. So unless we're both mafia AND lying, then there's no way you can account for ghostly getting roleblocked. So now it's either both me AND ghostly are lying or you are.

unvote vote soundman

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Thats true
Unleeeess ur the mafia roleblocker and he is the town roleblocker and he blocked you but then that would mean he couldn't role block ghostly
Hmmm fake counterclaim??
Unvote vote soundman

[ghostly447]

Thats true
Unleeeess ur the mafia roleblocker and he is the town roleblocker and he blocked you but then that would mean he couldn't role block ghostly
Hmmm fake counterclaim??
Unvote vote soundman

Or a fake claim by Safariguy. This is where I connect you both. If I get caught in the crossfire fine, but you never included it safariguy was in fact mafia, not being the roleblocker, and that would still leave an outside force.

[soundman]

He wasn't saying that you were for sure mafia because of this. He's saying that if saf is a mafia roleblocker, then you couldn't have been roleblocked last night, meaning that you are lying. Which most likely means that the town doesn't want you around.

Well, even then, we had a bus-driver alive last night who is now too dead to tell us what he did. So, it could be possible that he switched Safariguy someone, and there fore Safariguy was not role-blocked by Soundman, leaving him free to block Ghostly. So I would say it would be impossible for Ghostly to be telling the truth should Safariguy turn up as a scum role-blocker. But, it would be increasingly hard to justify...
On that note, did anybody else notice that they were role-blocked last night?

This. How do you explain ghostly getting roleblocked if you didn't roleblock him soundman? I provide an explanation for how ghostly got roleblocked. You do not. So unless we're both mafia AND lying, then there's no way you can account for ghostly getting roleblocked. So now it's either both me AND ghostly are lying or you are.

unvote vote soundman

I didn't provide an explanation because there are many unknown variables. It will be much easier to figure it out once you are dead and we see which mafia you are. But I'll indulge you and give you some explanations.

Explanation for how Ghostly was roleblocked:

If Safari is the mafia roleblocker:
1.) Both of you are mafia. Ghostly is lying and you are covering him.
2.) Busdrive. Logical. Bus a vet with a newer player to hopefully help keep the vet alive.
3.) I blocked you and Ghostly was jailed. Not likely but can happen.

If Safari is mafia but not the roleblocker:
1.) This one is easy. Your scum buddy blocked Ghostly and you're claiming the town role. If there's not a town roleblocker in the game then both you and Ghostly are cleared. If there is then you (I'm assuming you're just a goon or some such thing) aren't a huge loss.

Also in my defense. If I was mafia, why would I be so stupid as to counterclaim you?? If anything I would have counterclaimed Doc. A much easier take-down than you and he's got a much more important role than you. And why would I counterclaim at all?? With 15 players left we're not even close to endgame. If I was mafia and counterclaimed you and got you lynched I'd be immediately lynched tomorrow (assuming a vig didn't kill me that night).

Logic says you're lying. Time to hang.

[soundman]

Thats true
Unleeeess ur the mafia roleblocker and he is the town roleblocker and he blocked you but then that would mean he couldn't role block ghostly
Hmmm fake counterclaim??
Unvote vote soundman

If you weren't the doc...

[safariguy5]

He wasn't saying that you were for sure mafia because of this. He's saying that if saf is a mafia roleblocker, then you couldn't have been roleblocked last night, meaning that you are lying. Which most likely means that the town doesn't want you around.

Well, even then, we had a bus-driver alive last night who is now too dead to tell us what he did. So, it could be possible that he switched Safariguy someone, and there fore Safariguy was not role-blocked by Soundman, leaving him free to block Ghostly. So I would say it would be impossible for Ghostly to be telling the truth should Safariguy turn up as a scum role-blocker. But, it would be increasingly hard to justify...
On that note, did anybody else notice that they were role-blocked last night?

This. How do you explain ghostly getting roleblocked if you didn't roleblock him soundman? I provide an explanation for how ghostly got roleblocked. You do not. So unless we're both mafia AND lying, then there's no way you can account for ghostly getting roleblocked. So now it's either both me AND ghostly are lying or you are.

unvote vote soundman

I didn't provide an explanation because there are many unknown variables. It will be much easier to figure it out once you are dead and we see which mafia you are. But I'll indulge you and give you some explanations.

Explanation for how Ghostly was roleblocked:

If Safari is the mafia roleblocker:
1.) Both of you are mafia. Ghostly is lying and you are covering him.
2.) Busdrive. Logical. Bus a vet with a newer player to hopefully help keep the vet alive.
3.) I blocked you and Ghostly was jailed. Not likely but can happen.

If Safari is mafia but not the roleblocker:
1.) This one is easy. Your scum buddy blocked Ghostly and you're claiming the town role. If there's not a town roleblocker in the game then both you and Ghostly are cleared. If there is then you (I'm assuming you're just a goon or some such thing) aren't a huge loss.

Also in my defense. If I was mafia, why would I be so stupid as to counterclaim you?? If anything I would have counterclaimed Doc. A much easier take-down than you and he's got a much more important role than you. And why would I counterclaim at all?? With 15 players left we're not even close to endgame. If I was mafia and counterclaimed you and got you lynched I'd be immediately lynched tomorrow (assuming a vig didn't kill me that night).

Logic says you're lying. Time to hang.

That's all WIFOM. The logic is that my claim supports ghostly. Yours doesn't. Under your scenario, the correct play is to lynch ghostly.

Here's what I think.

You're the mafia roleblocker and you actually DID roleblock ghostly as well. You're trying to get the town roleblocker lynched AND cast doubt on the watcher to set ghostly up to be mislynched tomorrow.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

He wasn't saying that you were for sure mafia because of this. He's saying that if saf is a mafia roleblocker, then you couldn't have been roleblocked last night, meaning that you are lying. Which most likely means that the town doesn't want you around.

Well, even then, we had a bus-driver alive last night who is now too dead to tell us what he did. So, it could be possible that he switched Safariguy someone, and there fore Safariguy was not role-blocked by Soundman, leaving him free to block Ghostly. So I would say it would be impossible for Ghostly to be telling the truth should Safariguy turn up as a scum role-blocker. But, it would be increasingly hard to justify...
On that note, did anybody else notice that they were role-blocked last night?

This. How do you explain ghostly getting roleblocked if you didn't roleblock him soundman? I provide an explanation for how ghostly got roleblocked. You do not. So unless we're both mafia AND lying, then there's no way you can account for ghostly getting roleblocked. So now it's either both me AND ghostly are lying or you are.

unvote vote soundman

I didn't provide an explanation because there are many unknown variables. It will be much easier to figure it out once you are dead and we see which mafia you are. But I'll indulge you and give you some explanations.

Explanation for how Ghostly was roleblocked:

If Safari is the mafia roleblocker:
1.) Both of you are mafia. Ghostly is lying and you are covering him.
2.) Busdrive. Logical. Bus a vet with a newer player to hopefully help keep the vet alive.
3.) I blocked you and Ghostly was jailed. Not likely but can happen.

If Safari is mafia but not the roleblocker:
1.) This one is easy. Your scum buddy blocked Ghostly and you're claiming the town role. If there's not a town roleblocker in the game then both you and Ghostly are cleared. If there is then you (I'm assuming you're just a goon or some such thing) aren't a huge loss.

Also in my defense. If I was mafia, why would I be so stupid as to counterclaim you?? If anything I would have counterclaimed Doc. A much easier take-down than you and he's got a much more important role than you. And why would I counterclaim at all?? With 15 players left we're not even close to endgame. If I was mafia and counterclaimed you and got you lynched I'd be immediately lynched tomorrow (assuming a vig didn't kill me that night).

I see how that makes us look connected but the fact that I agree on something for actual reasons is much different than just agreeing and jumping on a bandwagon
But seeing as I believe ghostly claim and that the fact it is way more likely that soundman is lieing than both ghostly and safari but if they are scum buddies then that would make sense but here is why i think there not

Because all game ghostly and safari have been at each others throats all game well i dont remember very much how much safari fought back but i do know that ghostly kept bringing the case up on him almost out of the blue and that is not usually something that mafia does to one another and that is why i believe safari is telling the truth unless they have planned for this very situation to happen all game Then i believe safari

[jak111]

He wasn't saying that you were for sure mafia because of this. He's saying that if saf is a mafia roleblocker, then you couldn't have been roleblocked last night, meaning that you are lying. Which most likely means that the town doesn't want you around.

Well, even then, we had a bus-driver alive last night who is now too dead to tell us what he did. So, it could be possible that he switched Safariguy someone, and there fore Safariguy was not role-blocked by Soundman, leaving him free to block Ghostly. So I would say it would be impossible for Ghostly to be telling the truth should Safariguy turn up as a scum role-blocker. But, it would be increasingly hard to justify...
On that note, did anybody else notice that they were role-blocked last night?

This. How do you explain ghostly getting roleblocked if you didn't roleblock him soundman? I provide an explanation for how ghostly got roleblocked. You do not. So unless we're both mafia AND lying, then there's no way you can account for ghostly getting roleblocked. So now it's either both me AND ghostly are lying or you are.

unvote vote soundman

I didn't provide an explanation because there are many unknown variables. It will be much easier to figure it out once you are dead and we see which mafia you are. But I'll indulge you and give you some explanations.

Explanation for how Ghostly was roleblocked:

If Safari is the mafia roleblocker:
1.) Both of you are mafia. Ghostly is lying and you are covering him.
2.) Busdrive. Logical. Bus a vet with a newer player to hopefully help keep the vet alive.
3.) I blocked you and Ghostly was jailed. Not likely but can happen.

If Safari is mafia but not the roleblocker:
1.) This one is easy. Your scum buddy blocked Ghostly and you're claiming the town role. If there's not a town roleblocker in the game then both you and Ghostly are cleared. If there is then you (I'm assuming you're just a goon or some such thing) aren't a huge loss.

Also in my defense. If I was mafia, why would I be so stupid as to counterclaim you?? If anything I would have counterclaimed Doc. A much easier take-down than you and he's got a much more important role than you. And why would I counterclaim at all?? With 15 players left we're not even close to endgame. If I was mafia and counterclaimed you and got you lynched I'd be immediately lynched tomorrow (assuming a vig didn't kill me that night).

Logic says you're lying. Time to hang.

That's all WIFOM. The logic is that my claim supports ghostly. Yours doesn't. Under your scenario, the correct play is to lynch ghostly.

Here's what I think.

You're the mafia roleblocker and you actually DID roleblock ghostly as well. You're trying to get the town roleblocker lynched AND cast doubt on the watcher to set ghostly up to be mislynched tomorrow.

Saf, if you end up village we'll kill sound, but as it is you've been counterclaimed and not really helping yourself as of yet. If you're village ghostly will be safe, if you are mafia we'll go for ghost tomorrow.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

He wasn't saying that you were for sure mafia because of this. He's saying that if saf is a mafia roleblocker, then you couldn't have been roleblocked last night, meaning that you are lying. Which most likely means that the town doesn't want you around.

Well, even then, we had a bus-driver alive last night who is now too dead to tell us what he did. So, it could be possible that he switched Safariguy someone, and there fore Safariguy was not role-blocked by Soundman, leaving him free to block Ghostly. So I would say it would be impossible for Ghostly to be telling the truth should Safariguy turn up as a scum role-blocker. But, it would be increasingly hard to justify...
On that note, did anybody else notice that they were role-blocked last night?

This. How do you explain ghostly getting roleblocked if you didn't roleblock him soundman? I provide an explanation for how ghostly got roleblocked. You do not. So unless we're both mafia AND lying, then there's no way you can account for ghostly getting roleblocked. So now it's either both me AND ghostly are lying or you are.

unvote vote soundman

I didn't provide an explanation because there are many unknown variables. It will be much easier to figure it out once you are dead and we see which mafia you are. But I'll indulge you and give you some explanations.

Explanation for how Ghostly was roleblocked:

If Safari is the mafia roleblocker:
1.) Both of you are mafia. Ghostly is lying and you are covering him.
2.) Busdrive. Logical. Bus a vet with a newer player to hopefully help keep the vet alive.
3.) I blocked you and Ghostly was jailed. Not likely but can happen.

If Safari is mafia but not the roleblocker:
1.) This one is easy. Your scum buddy blocked Ghostly and you're claiming the town role. If there's not a town roleblocker in the game then both you and Ghostly are cleared. If there is then you (I'm assuming you're just a goon or some such thing) aren't a huge loss.

Also in my defense. If I was mafia, why would I be so stupid as to counterclaim you?? If anything I would have counterclaimed Doc. A much easier take-down than you and he's got a much more important role than you. And why would I counterclaim at all?? With 15 players left we're not even close to endgame. If I was mafia and counterclaimed you and got you lynched I'd be immediately lynched tomorrow (assuming a vig didn't kill me that night).

Logic says you're lying. Time to hang.

That's all WIFOM. The logic is that my claim supports ghostly. Yours doesn't. Under your scenario, the correct play is to lynch ghostly.

Here's what I think.

You're the mafia roleblocker and you actually DID roleblock ghostly as well. You're trying to get the town roleblocker lynched AND cast doubt on the watcher to set ghostly up to be mislynched tomorrow.

Saf, if you end up village we'll kill sound, but as it is you've been counterclaimed and not really helping yourself as of yet. If you're village ghostly will be safe, if you are mafia we'll go for ghost tomorrow.[/quote]

so ur willing to lynch town roleblocker which could be really helpful later on???

[Some7hingCLEVER]

EBWOP
hey sorry guys my phone has been messing up the quotes hope u can pick it apart

[chapcrap]

After more thought and saf's explanation, I have to agree with soundman's side of things.

unvote vote saf

[jak111]

so ur willing to lynch town roleblocker which could be really helpful later on???

I said no such thing, BUT one of them are lying... <.< Would you prefer we not lynch either of them even though at least one of them is mafia???
If we do lynch town roleblocker we'll know who to kill tomorrow is all I said, don't take my words out of context again clever -.-

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Vote Count

MoB Deadly:
dazza2008:
Some7hingCLEVER: 2 (spiesr, ghostly)
spiesr:
pancakemix:
jonty125:
Victor Sullivan:
new guy1:
chapcrap:
soundman: 2 (Saf, clever)
ghostly447:
safariguy5: 7 (sound, newguy, dazza, jak, Doom, jonty, chap)
strike wolf:
Doom Yoshi:
jak111: 1 (MoB)
NL:

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Saf is L-1.

And sorry guys for the belated VC. I had to work OT this week and have a huge exam on Monday. I'll try to update the VCs more often (sifting through the 8 pages since the last was a pain). Once again, I'd like to say great job on the discussion. Thanks for 50 pages @ D2. Good stuff.

-Tails

[ghostly447]

Okay FOS on Jak who seemed to skip over HALF of Soundman's argument. IF Safari is NOT the Mafia Roleblocker, there is still a chance I was role blocked. I know, if I keep bringing it up I look like Im trying to cover my tracks, but it has been said at least twice by me and 1 other time by someone else and jak just keeps skipping over it. As for my vote, I thought I had it on saf. Is there anymore input before I hammer? I will wait till tomorrow if someone still believes that he is town, etc, but I do not feel he is. With that I Unvote and prepare for a hammer.

[jak111]

Okay FOS on Jak who seemed to skip over HALF of Soundman's argument. IF Safari is NOT the Mafia Roleblocker, there is still a chance I was role blocked. I know, if I keep bringing it up I look like Im trying to cover my tracks, but it has been said at least twice by me and 1 other time by someone else and jak just keeps skipping over it. As for my vote, I thought I had it on saf. Is there anymore input before I hammer? I will wait till tomorrow if someone still believes that he is town, etc, but I do not feel he is. With that I Unvote and prepare for a hammer.

-.- You do know you just contradicted yourself right? You skipped what I said. I said IF Safari is Mafia you most likely are as well. <.< READ WHAT I HIGHLIGHTED IN YOUR QUOTE.

Now read my quote.

Saf, if you end up village we'll kill sound, but as it is you've been counterclaimed and not really helping yourself as of yet. If you're village ghostly will be safe, if you are mafia we'll go for ghost tomorrow.

Funny how you pretty much said what I said then say I skipped over what was said -.- You're RIGHT ghostly.. FoS is needed here.
FoS on Ghostly for tomorrow's case.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I'm pretty sure ghostly was already in tommorows case
And jak u said when we kill saf if he shows up town which implies your willing to kill him which means as I said u are willing to kill roleblocker over watcher so please tell me where I "used your words out of context"

[jak111]

I'm pretty sure ghostly was already in tommorows case
And jak u said when we kill saf if he shows up town which implies your willing to kill him which means as I said u are willing to kill roleblocker over watcher so please tell me where I "used your words out of context"

Yea IF he shows up town <.< I'm not willing to lynch roleblocker but one of them at the very least isn't our roleblocker. So wanna know what, yes I'm willing to try one of them, because even if they turn out town we know the other is not then. Would you rather us go find some other case for the that doesn't have this 50/50 chance? (And btw, it's more than 50 in our favor since he was counterclaimed.)

You used my words out of context though with ASSUMING that Saf is town roleblocker. So that makes me wonder if you're also in league with him?

Let me ask since you seem to like to point a finger at someone who's going for a mafia kill. How would you want us to lynch today 'doctor'? Would you prefer us to kill the one who counterclaimed or some random person? Hmm?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I'm pretty sure ghostly was already in tommorows case
And jak u said when we kill saf if he shows up town which implies your willing to kill him which means as I said u are willing to kill roleblocker over watcher so please tell me where I "used your words out of context"

Yea IF he shows up town <.< I'm not willing to lynch roleblocker but one of them at the very least isn't our roleblocker. So wanna know what, yes I'm willing to try one of them, because even if they turn out town we know the other is not then. Would you rather us go find some other case for the that doesn't have this 50/50 chance? (And btw, it's more than 50 in our favor since he was counterclaimed.)

You used my words out of context though with ASSUMING that Saf is town roleblocker. So that makes me wonder if you're also in league with him?

Let me ask since you seem to like to point a finger at someone who's going for a mafia kill. How would you want us to lynch today 'doctor'? Would you prefer us to kill the one who counterclaimed or some random person? Hmm?

how are you so sure it's a mafia kill jak? Only mafia knows who is who..that is the only thing that worries me is that you and ghostly seem 99 percent sure who is telling the truth..and the fact I wanna hear both sides more than a few post, is that wrong?

[DoomYoshi]

Are ghost and new guy brothers? If so, that would explain why ghost defended new guy on day 1...

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Are ghost and new guy brothers? If so, that would explain why ghost defended new guy on day 1...

They are twins

[jak111]

I'm pretty sure ghostly was already in tommorows case
And jak u said when we kill saf if he shows up town which implies your willing to kill him which means as I said u are willing to kill roleblocker over watcher so please tell me where I "used your words out of context"

Yea IF he shows up town <.< I'm not willing to lynch roleblocker but one of them at the very least isn't our roleblocker. So wanna know what, yes I'm willing to try one of them, because even if they turn out town we know the other is not then. Would you rather us go find some other case for the that doesn't have this 50/50 chance? (And btw, it's more than 50 in our favor since he was counterclaimed.)

You used my words out of context though with ASSUMING that Saf is town roleblocker. So that makes me wonder if you're also in league with him?

Let me ask since you seem to like to point a finger at someone who's going for a mafia kill. How would you want us to lynch today 'doctor'? Would you prefer us to kill the one who counterclaimed or some random person? Hmm?

how are you so sure it's a mafia kill jak? Only mafia knows who is who..that is the only thing that worries me is that you and ghostly seem 99 percent sure who is telling the truth..and the fact I wanna hear both sides more than a few post, is that wrong?

AGAIN WITH THE BS... where did I say I was 99% certain? I just said it's a high chance saf is the one who is scum. No, it wouldn't be bad if you were still in unvote, instead you voted for Sound, so obviously you already heard enough to make your vote.

[quote="Some7hingCLEVER]Thats true
Unleeeess ur the mafia roleblocker and he is the town roleblocker and he blocked you but then that would mean he couldn't role block ghostly
Hmmm fake counterclaim??
Unvote vote soundman[/quote]

So where's your certainty or wanting to hear both sides? Obviously you've picked a side to believe. So no it wouldn't be bad wanting to hear both sides more, but you obviously have your mind made up.
Scum much?

[jak111]

Thats true
Unleeeess ur the mafia roleblocker and he is the town roleblocker and he blocked you but then that would mean he couldn't role block ghostly
Hmmm fake counterclaim??
Unvote vote soundman

EBWOP

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I said I wasn't gonna vote for saf to avoid a hammer so I didn't bother to unvote since he had one other vote on him anyway but if it matters so much then fineUnvote

[ghostly447]

Jak I am on my phone but please go back up where you said I contradicted myself. You clearly said at the bottom that if safari is town so am I and if he is Mafia then I am the next target. Now go see where I have been posting that there is actually a way for safari to be Mafia and me to be telling the truth. Either way town controls my hammer (did clever invite from safari? Or another player?). The fact clever is defending someone who got counterclaimed is yet another reason I don't believe his claim.