Conquer Club

MountainLion wrote:Aimless and wicked, why vote no lynch? Why not just let the day run out and use as much time as we have?

Six in one, half dozen in the other. By voting no lynch, I'm making it clear that I don't intend to support a lynch on anyone today. If you want to let the time run out and keep talking, that's fine with me.

Although, I must say - Narc's behavior is rekindling my suspicion of him. After he came up town, and especially after wicked came up town (given my long standing suspicion of a scummy connection between the two), I was willing to give Narc a pass. Now... I'm unsure.

wicked wrote:I say we lynch him today. We have a 2/3 chance of being right. Then Aim can investigate one of the other two tonight, meaning we'll know tomorrow definitely who the last scum is.

There is my post in question, talking about GT before he roleclaimed. I was assuming there was no godfather in that scenario. If there's a godfather, then obviously that won't work. you're the only one who seems sure there is a godfather... maybe b/c you know for a fact?

Again, how is that a "mistake"?

Aim, will you be able to participate next week, b/c of your exams?

wicked wrote:Aim, will you be able to participate next week, b/c of your exams?

Not much.

I'll check in and try to keep up with the thread, but I definitely won't be able to participate as much as I usually do. Not having Sherwood to mod will help things (that was a major time sink), but I'll still probably be hard-pressed to find time to play.

Xen, if you want to replace me (temporarily or permanently), that's fine.

I'd do it, but then the town would definately win.

In that case, bring on IC!

damn - just beat me to it AK.

Guilty_Biscuit wrote:damn - just beat me to it AK.

Thats ok, I can't play anymore. I know who everyone is!

wicked wrote:uhh.... still don't see the "mistake"?

Your mistake was in saying that if GT was lynched today we'd definately know who was mafia... That is not the case... But you were pulling very hard for it. When I pointed it out... You were very defensive and through suspicion another direction...

I still think you are scum.

I think if THE OTHER PLAYERS are not able to SEE that WICKED IS SCUM then they are very slow.

Oooh - tell me! tell me! It's not true that you can see everything as a ghost, although I'm a bit relieved about that.

Ank, I already explained my reasoning at the time. Assuming there isn't a godfather, we would have a 67% chance of lynching scum with any of the three players left who haven't been investigated yet by Aim. At the time, GT looked scummy, so I thought that was a good idea. Then I realized it was LYLO, then GT roleclaimed, so that theory was thrown out the window fairly quickly.

Why are you SO sure there's a godfather? You haven't even entertained the idea there might not be one in this game. For you to be SO sure of that, makes me believe you are scum (and therefore a godfather, proving your point ... lol).

Then I realized it was LYLO, then GT roleclaimed, so that theory was thrown out the window fairly quickly.

No. GT has still refused to state his roles name.

wicked wrote:Ank, I already explained my reasoning at the time. Assuming there isn't a godfather, we would have a 67% chance of lynching scum with any of the three players left who haven't been investigated yet by Aim. At the time, GT looked scummy, so I thought that was a good idea. Then I realized it was LYLO, then GT roleclaimed, so that theory was thrown out the window fairly quickly.

Why are you SO sure there's a godfather? You haven't even entertained the idea there might not be one in this game. For you to be SO sure of that, makes me believe you are scum (and therefore a godfather, proving your point ... lol).

It's because I have played Manhunt... And I know that Xen would have made him one...

And I know that person is you.

I am tired of posting in this thread... Tell me when you guys pull your heads out of your ass and come to a decision.

The more I read about anks theory, the more I actually begin to see where he's coming from.

Still suspish of GT though.

Ank, you don't know Jack... unless Xen gave you inside info into the game setup?? As for "knowing it's me", that's BS too... you're trying to frame me and you know it. You wait til after the cop has cleared me to go after me? a bit backwards, eh? yeah, I'm tired of talking here too.

With 6 of us left and a probable 2 mafia, how is it that Aimless hasn't spotted another scum yet? 1. Aim is town and has had really bad luck choosing his investigations 2. He's investigated the godfather. 3. He's really a mafia cop who gave up Mandy in the beginning to gain our undivided trust and continue to lynch the innocent.

According to information I found on Manhunt (through wiki), "There are five gangs encountered during the course of the game, as well as the corrupt police force." Also worth noting: "Carcer City Police Department: The police in Carcer City are following the orders of the corrupt police chief Gary Schaeffer (who is also mentioned on the radio in Grand Theft Auto III)"

Then I thought about how there's (supposedly) a town cop, doc and roleblocker. How can that be a fair setup against the mafia? Mafia could have a godfather, doctor or roleblocker themselves, but Mandy was just a simple Goon. So what would they have then? My guess is a Godfather, Goon and what....another cop or roleblocker? Both Aimless and Tonka haven't been targeted yet. If the Mafia had a roleblocker or cop, wouldn't they have killed the town cop or doc by now?

This is only my first time in a Xen modded game, but I can tell he does a great job and it seems to me that he would make things interesting. So how about this...the town gets a doc and roleblocker, while mafia get a cop and two goons? Could Aimless really be Gary Schaeffer rather than "The Reporter?" Could it be that he's more likely a corrupt police chief than a reporter?

Those are my thoughts for the day...what do you guys think? Am I crazy?

Oh and by the way of the 3 options I listed at the top, I highly doubt #1 is possible. I think either there's a Godfather or Aimless is a Mafia Cop.

wow, finally a sensible post instead of all this bickering. where have you been ML? lol I remember thinking before there couldn't a mafia cop b/c the game would be too unbalanced. But with a claimed roleblocker now, that could be a possibility. So I'm willing to admit I didn't think of all the possibilities before.

And about Ank and I... this reminds me soooo much of Houssam and I bickering in Finn Rock. We were both convinced each other was scum and basically took over the game with our constant back&forth (and not the good kind! lol). Some of the wiser players pointed out we were both too adament about it, that we HAD to both be townies, and they were right. Cost the town the game. So for now, I'll back off and let cooler heads prevail.

I think I need a mafia break! I've been screwing up finding scum in the Simpsons' game as well... sigh.

Oh, and by the way if the Mafia were going to give up one of their own to gain the trust of the town, who better than a Goon? (like Mandy )

Then again, how would Aimless know he could roleclaim Cop on the second day without a counter-claim? Someone would have to know Manhunt well enough to figure it out.

Anarkistsdream wrote:

wicked wrote:Why are you SO sure there's a godfather?

It's because I have played Manhunt... And I know that Xen would have made him one...

And I know that person is you.

I am tired of posting in this thread... Tell me when you guys pull your heads out of your ass and come to a decision.

Anark knows the game and perhaps he's the mastermind behind the whole thing. The only cops in the game Manhunt are corrupt ones. I ask again: Why would a "reporter" be a cop?

On a different train of thought, we've had two dead townies who were "doctors" They were Dr. Whyte and Dr. Pickman, so how are we to believe that Tonka is the "real doctor?"

This game's confusing the crap out of me. Are all my thoughts absurd? Please tell me.

I forgot about Starkweather, so the Mafia Cop-Goon-Goon combo wouldn't be right. Maybe it's Starkweather (Godfather), Gary Schaeffer (Mafia Cop) and Mandy/Ramirez (Goon). Then the Mafia cop claims cop while the Godfather plans to claim townie. They give up their Goon. If the real cop (if there was one, but they, knowing Manhunt well enough, take a risk that there's no cop) counter-claimed that would be risky for them...not only would they be the 2nd one to claim it, but there would be no way to prove it. The doctor wouldn't know who to protect. The Mafia wouldn't kill the real cop. All this is a small risk because of how few players there are in this game.

*sigh* I'm getting a headache.

So if it's Godfather-Mafia Cop-Goon, then how would it even out? Iceman was a Vig. Tonka's the doctor. I'm the roleblocker. Does that even it out?

I'd still like to hear Tonka's character's name.

One more thing and then I'll stop... Anark claimed a GTA character after Exile's death. He said he was a townie, claimed townie by way of Aimless investigation, but he never said "Charles Johnson, vanilla townie, please don't lynch me" until AFTER a confirmed GTA character name was given. The perfect opportunity to further strengthen his claim.

So to sum up my insanely crazy theory...if it was true, Aimless is Gary Schaeffer (Mafia Cop) claiming Cop, Anark is Starkweather (Godfather) claiming Charles Johnson, vanilla townie and Mandy is of course Ramirez (Mafia Goon)

Thank you and goodnight

If I were a mafia cop, knowing that today is LYLO, I would have given the town a fake "scum" result for last night's investigation. Easy scum win.

I didn't. Instead, I gave a "town" result, and have spent the day advocating for a no lynch. That should be plenty of proof that I'm town.

Furthermore, regarding the "Corrupt Cop" thing; as I said, my role is not actually named "cop" - I'm "The Reporter," whose job in the game, if you look it up on wikipedia (I did, when I was trying to verify other claims), is to investigate Starkweather. The fact that "The Reporter" in the game is specifically investigating Starkweather leads me to believe that there's a chance that whomever has the Starkweather role is not in fact immune to my investigations, but I don't know for sure, so for now I'm assuming that he is immune.

As for the "fighting each other too adamantly to be scum," that actually sounds plausible - especially since it is absolutely guaranteed that one of you is town. I wound up in a similar type of argument against wmw in Hitman's werewolf game day one, and we both turned out town. On the other hand, I do not understand why Narc is advocating a lynch today, when that is clearly bad policy for the town.

Regarding the claims by ML and gt - as I said before, I take no claims for granted once the game gets to LYLO. As far as I'm concerned, they are both likely scum candidates.

Oh, and one last thing - it is quite unreasonable, IMO, for a game like this to have a mafia cop but for there not to have been an investigative role on the town side. Thus, the theory that I'm a mafia cop is invalid on it's face, since I was never counterclaimed.

Actually, I get the feeling that the people pushing this theory hardest are the most likely scum.

Aimless wrote:Oh, and one last thing - it is quite unreasonable, IMO, for a game like this to have a mafia cop but for there not to have been an investigative role on the town side. Thus, the theory that I'm a mafia cop is invalid on it's face, since I was never counterclaimed.

Actually, I get the feeling that the people pushing this theory hardest are the most likely scum.

That would make it ML and Wicked......

One other thing which occurs to me - gt mentioned, in regards to ML's claim, that he thought ML was a mafia roleblocker. That's false. If the mafia had a roleblocker, I would have been blocked every night since starting Night 2; I haven't been. Thus, whether or not ML is telling the truth about the claim, the scum do not have a roleblocker.

I'm pushing no theory. Someone posted a plausible theory and I agreed it may be possible, that my previous thinking may have been incorrect. Right now, I'm trying to listen to all theories with an open mind.

Ank, you were the one pushing this theory just yesterday (RT yesterday), correct?