Conquer Club

jay_a2j wrote:

Titanic wrote: You are aware that it is the government which provides national defence? If you have a large military budget, you have a large government.

You are aware that government run taxes is BIG government?

I prefer our government keeps itself out of taxes! yeah. Those should be levied by businesses.

I"m all for big government keeping fags from marrying, women from doing what they want with their body, people from smoking weed, but for the love of god when they try to flex their muscles to make sure that people have healthcare and education that's where I draw the line. Fuckin commies.

fiestadelimon wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

Titanic wrote: You are aware that it is the government which provides national defence? If you have a large military budget, you have a large government.

You are aware that government run taxes is BIG government?

I prefer our government keeps itself out of taxes! yeah. Those should be levied by businesses.

I"m all for big government keeping fags from marrying, women from doing what they want with their body, people from smoking weed, but for the love of god when they try to flex their muscles to make sure that people have healthcare and education that's where I draw the line. Fuckin commies.

fiestadelimon: keeping it real.

fiestadelimon wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

Titanic wrote: You are aware that it is the government which provides national defence? If you have a large military budget, you have a large government.

You are aware that government run taxes is BIG government?

I prefer our government keeps itself out of taxes! yeah. Those should be levied by businesses.

I"m all for big government keeping fags from marrying, women from doing what they want with their body, people from smoking weed, but for the love of god when they try to flex their muscles to make sure that people have healthcare and education that's where I draw the line. Fuckin commies.

If you and Woody want to marry have at it. Abortion is a moral issue not a political one. If you want to live in China you are more than welcome to. See ya.

jay_a2j wrote:

fiestadelimon wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

Titanic wrote: You are aware that it is the government which provides national defence? If you have a large military budget, you have a large government.

You are aware that government run taxes is BIG government?

I prefer our government keeps itself out of taxes! yeah. Those should be levied by businesses.

I"m all for big government keeping fags from marrying, women from doing what they want with their body, people from smoking weed, but for the love of god when they try to flex their muscles to make sure that people have healthcare and education that's where I draw the line. Fuckin commies.

If you and Woody want to marry have at it. Abortion is a moral issue not a political one. If you want to live in China you are more than welcome to. See ya.

You're the one complaining about our Government. Perhaps you should be the one to move.

Yeah, like big gov't, it's like real big you know? It's like too big. It's getting too big and should be smaller.

fiestadelimon wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

fiestadelimon wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

Titanic wrote: You are aware that it is the government which provides national defence? If you have a large military budget, you have a large government.

You are aware that government run taxes is BIG government?

I prefer our government keeps itself out of taxes! yeah. Those should be levied by businesses.

I"m all for big government keeping fags from marrying, women from doing what they want with their body, people from smoking weed, but for the love of god when they try to flex their muscles to make sure that people have healthcare and education that's where I draw the line. Fuckin commies.

If you and Woody want to marry have at it. Abortion is a moral issue not a political one. If you want to live in China you are more than welcome to. See ya.

You're the one complaining about our Government. Perhaps you should be the one to move.

In America, we don't run away. We stand up and we change it by fighting for it. If someone are too weak, and one decide another persons decision on a certain issue that probably does not really affect their life one bit is too much to handle, then leaving is probably an a good thing for someone because if they are that crazy and he/she stays they will probably be going out in a blaze of glory trying to take as many innocent people with them as possible.

The only time fleeing is acceptable to this American is either when he is ordered to retreat or when he is forcefully oppressed by a large and powerful gov't. Other than that, I am going to try to support people who are willing to reduce the size of government (so we dont end up like Greece) and attempt to be part of a solution rather than part of a problem.

You're right we should stand up and make a stand against Government controlled Taxes. Taxes should be controlled by the private sector.

Jay, your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind. You just put it all under the label - "big" and then make it look like a monster.

zebraman wrote:Jay, your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind. You just put it all under the label - "big" and then make it look like a monster.

you do not think the federal government is a monster? It has borrowed out an entire year of production, every penny of it.

Phatscotty wrote:

zebraman wrote:Jay, your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind. You just put it all under the label - "big" and then make it look like a monster.

you do not think the federal government is a monster? It has borrowed out an entire year of production, every penny of it.

What? Stop talking crap.

Snorri1234 wrote:

Titanic wrote:Meh, funny cartoons tbh, well made. Shouldn't take any factual relevance from them though.

They're incredibly bad, even for political cartoons.

It's basically "LOL GOVERNMENT" repeated six times. Without any nuance or real joke.

Wrongo. The second-to-last one is wonderful.

zebraman wrote:Jay, your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind. You just put it all under the label - "big" and then make it look like a monster.

zebraman (forgive me, I don't know you so this next statement may be out of place), your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind.

I don't think you understand that when someone says "big government is bad" they are not talking about all government or even 90% of government. I suspect that the all-or-nothing view that you think we take has to do with marginalizing any discussion on the excesses of government. In other words, why would you argue in favor of keeping cutting government programs when you can instead tell Jay he wants no government, thereby marginalizing his views?

thegreekdog wrote:

zebraman wrote:Jay, your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind. You just put it all under the label - "big" and then make it look like a monster.

zebraman (forgive me, I don't know you so this next statement may be out of place), your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind.

I don't think you understand that when someone says "big government is bad" they are not talking about all government or even 90% of government. I suspect that the all-or-nothing view that you think we take has to do with marginalizing any discussion on the excesses of government. In other words, why would you argue in favor of keeping cutting government programs when you can instead tell Jay he wants no government, thereby marginalizing his views?

Yes, Zebraman has constructed a fancy little straw man and then beat it up.

Trephining wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

zebraman wrote:Jay, your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind. You just put it all under the label - "big" and then make it look like a monster.

zebraman (forgive me, I don't know you so this next statement may be out of place), your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind.

I don't think you understand that when someone says "big government is bad" they are not talking about all government or even 90% of government. I suspect that the all-or-nothing view that you think we take has to do with marginalizing any discussion on the excesses of government. In other words, why would you argue in favor of keeping cutting government programs when you can instead tell Jay he wants no government, thereby marginalizing his views?

Yes, Zebraman has constructed a fancy little straw man and then beat it up.

Didn't Jay earlier say that only the military and defence should be what the government does? Sounds like Zebraman is actually responding to what eh said, not creating a straw man arguament.

Titanic wrote:

Trephining wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

zebraman wrote:Jay, your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind. You just put it all under the label - "big" and then make it look like a monster.

zebraman (forgive me, I don't know you so this next statement may be out of place), your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind.

I don't think you understand that when someone says "big government is bad" they are not talking about all government or even 90% of government. I suspect that the all-or-nothing view that you think we take has to do with marginalizing any discussion on the excesses of government. In other words, why would you argue in favor of keeping cutting government programs when you can instead tell Jay he wants no government, thereby marginalizing his views?

Yes, Zebraman has constructed a fancy little straw man and then beat it up.

Didn't Jay earlier say that only the military and defence should be what the government does? Sounds like Zebraman is actually responding to what eh said, not creating a straw man arguament.

No, that's not what he typed. He never once used the word "only" and his references to big government included, among other things, bailouts and healthcare.

thegreekdog wrote:

Titanic wrote: Didn't Jay earlier say that only the military and defence should be what the government does? Sounds like Zebraman is actually responding to what eh said, not creating a straw man arguament.

No, that's not what he typed. He never once used the word "only" and his references to big government included, among other things, bailouts and healthcare.

I think you misunderstood me. I never mentioned "big" government, and zebraman only mentioned "big" to prove that conservatives on here just apply it to whatever they can.

I thought that Jay said the duty of any government was the defence of its people, and that it should not intefere with peoples lives in other ways.

Found the part - "The problem arises when they start intruding in our everyday lives. Health care takeover, car dealership takeovers, bank takeovers etc. In other words, when the government moves in to control what once was in the PRIVATE SECTOR we have a problem. A government with that much power is dangerous."

He said he does not see the military as part of a "big" government because it is necessary, but very few other parts are. I may have been wrong on the "only" part, but I wasn't far off.

Titanic wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Titanic wrote: Didn't Jay earlier say that only the military and defence should be what the government does? Sounds like Zebraman is actually responding to what eh said, not creating a straw man arguament.

No, that's not what he typed. He never once used the word "only" and his references to big government included, among other things, bailouts and healthcare.

I think you misunderstood me. I never mentioned "big" government, and zebraman only mentioned "big" to prove that conservatives on here just apply it to whatever they can.

I thought that Jay said the duty of any government was the defence of its people, and that it should not intefere with peoples lives in other ways.

Found the part - "The problem arises when they start intruding in our everyday lives. Health care takeover, car dealership takeovers, bank takeovers etc. In other words, when the government moves in to control what once was in the PRIVATE SECTOR we have a problem. A government with that much power is dangerous."

He said he does not see the military as part of a "big" government because it is necessary, but very few other parts are. I may have been wrong on the "only" part, but I wasn't far off.

But there's a HUGE difference between saying the government should ONLY concern itself with defense and nothing else. It annoys me because, as you've seen, people constantly type things like "Dude, who do you think pays for the roads you drive on?" And look we understand that; that's not the issue. The issue is stuff like government takeover of private sector stuff.

lay it out like this. we or nobody else will ever have perfect government. there is great gov't, good gov't, ok gov't, acceptable gov't, crappy gov't, and shitty gov't. I will point out further evidnece that the overwhelming majority of American think their gov't land mostly in crappy and shitty. you can still hold your opinion.

Phatscotty wrote:lay it out like this. we or nobody else will ever have perfect government. there is great gov't, good gov't, ok gov't, acceptable gov't, crappy gov't, and shitty gov't. I will point out further evidnece that the overwhelming majority of American think their gov't land mostly in crappy and shitty. you can still hold your opinion.

I think it's good for the most part (but that's me). It's getting worse though.

here it is (sorry for delay)

An overwhelming majority of American voters agree on at least one thing -- the Founding Fathers would be unhappy with the way things are going in Washington these days. So says a whopping 84 percent of voters

Do you believe the Founding Fathers would approve or disapprove of USA's current federal government direction.

Republicans - 92% disapprove
Independents - 81% disapprove
Democrats - 77% disapprove (11% not sure)

Phatscotty wrote:here it is (sorry for delay)

An overwhelming majority of American voters agree on at least one thing -- the Founding Fathers would be unhappy with the way things are going in Washington these days. So says a whopping 84 percent of voters

Do you believe the Founding Fathers would approve or disapprove of USA's current federal government direction.

Republicans - 92% disapprove
Independents - 81% disapprove
Democrats - 77% disapprove (11% not sure)

I just want to get this out of the way now:

"Because the founding fathers were rich, white people who thought blacks had to be slaves and women couldn't vote. That's why they would disapprove."

Phatscotty wrote:here it is (sorry for delay)

An overwhelming majority of American voters agree on at least one thing -- the Founding Fathers would be unhappy with the way things are going in Washington these days. So says a whopping 84 percent of voters

Do you believe the Founding Fathers would approve or disapprove of USA's current federal government direction.

Republicans - 92% disapprove
Independents - 81% disapprove
Democrats - 77% disapprove (11% not sure)

If this was taken recently then I'm pretty sure most people are more unhappy with the state of the legislature then the actual government. Also, this poll proves squat. It doesn't ask whether they think its a good government, bad government or okay government, just what they think the founding father would think about the government (which is a stupid question anyway because I doubt the majority of Americans could even name a plurality of the founding fathers, never mind what their beliefs and viewpoints were).

Also Scotty, whilst you may believe that there is never a perfect government would you agree that we are better off with a good or ok or acceptable government rather then any of the alternatives?

thegreekdog wrote: But there's a HUGE difference between saying the government should ONLY concern itself with defense and nothing else. It annoys me because, as you've seen, people constantly type things like "Dude, who do you think pays for the roads you drive on?" And look we understand that; that's not the issue. The issue is stuff like government takeover of private sector stuff.

You disagree with the financial bailouts and the auto bailouts? Shouldn't the government do what it can to minimise the recession and bring the country back on a suitable economic course?

PS@ I'm sure we've had this discussion like 20x before.

I do not agree with bailing out private companies. Further, if we are bailing out private companies, I do not agree with not putting restrictions on funds received.

Titanic wrote: You disagree with the financial bailouts and the auto bailouts? Shouldn't the government do what it can to minimise the recession and bring the country back on a suitable economic course?

There is a coming backlash to these bailouts. I agree with Congressman Ron Paul, that letting the banks fail would "hurt" us quicker, but we would have recovered sooner than we will with these bailouts. The bailouts are just delaying the inevitable and BECAUSE of the bailouts it will be far worse than if we had no bailouts.

"You think $4.00 per/ gal gas was bad, wait till you see $8.00 per/gal." RP

thegreekdog wrote:

zebraman wrote:Jay, your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind. You just put it all under the label - "big" and then make it look like a monster.

zebraman (forgive me, I don't know you so this next statement may be out of place), your inability to grasp the idea of government's necessity boggles the mind.

I don't think you understand that when someone says "big government is bad" they are not talking about all government or even 90% of government. I suspect that the all-or-nothing view that you think we take has to do with marginalizing any discussion on the excesses of government. In other words, why would you argue in favor of keeping cutting government programs when you can instead tell Jay he wants no government, thereby marginalizing his views?

I take no offense to your first paragraph because I rarely come in and post anymore. Most of the stuff I read is in the Godless Heathens forum which is private.

Now what I'm trying to get at is this one size fits all argument that Jay puts out there with nothing more than political cartoons. Of course there are times when government needs to be scaled back because we just don't have the $$$ anymore to fund a program. Believe it or not I see the other sides view because I don't want the feds coming into my house or regulating my lifestyle. The impression that people like Jay give is that the government is full of overbearing giants intent on clubbing everyone into submission through social programs. If it weren't for "big government" I doubt the civil rights movement would have been successful.