**FINISHED** First JsSM - Flores wins.

[FloresDelMal]

Flow, please. There's been 2 claims so far. If a cop can verify anything we can be pretty much 100% sure that we kill the right guy. I take it from your response that you're not the cop (...)

Why would I kill you again if you unvote me? I'll only NK when it's night, and since it's not I don't see the point.

As on how many killers I got in this game: er, my nk got blocked twice and during only 1 of these nights i was roleblocked (or so flow claims)... there must be either bulletproof or a doc out there. There's 2 people that haven't claimed yet and there's you who claimed busdriver. I think it's not impossible for there to be multiple killing roles.

first, of course im not the cop, i am the busdriver, and then if there are multiple killing roles, do you really believe that all of them got roleblocked, hitted a bullet proof or someone protected by a doc? to me seems a bit far fetched.

[Flow520]

@aage:
Firstly:

i was roleblocked (or so flow claims)...

As previously stated,

It was completely conjecture emphasized for effect.

Secondly:

I take it from your response that you're not the cop, or you are but AoG just hasn't done anything the past two nights?

Take from it what you like. Assuming there is a cop and assuming no one has misrepresented their roles (a big if), mathematically you have a 100% shot of guessing if I am a cop at least 50% correctly.

Regardless, we know you are going to attempt to kill tonight. (Either as scum, SK, or Vig [my money is on SK btw]) so you are currently the greatest threat to a town victory for the following reasons: (assuming there is only one anti-town killer between the 4 of us {Could make sense for a game this small...} and assuming Flores really is a bus driver)
1. Lynching you gives town an immediate 25% chance of winning. (Did I mention that I think you are a SK?)
2. If we lynch you there will be 3 people left tonight. Any swap that the bus driver makes will give the only remaining killer a 1/3 chance of killing themselves and resulting in a town win. (Assuming there are no role blockers left or course)

Conclusion, best shot at a town win is to lynch aage. If you really are pro town, fall on your sword so that we may win as a team

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Conclusion, best shot at a town win is to lynch aage. If you really are pro town, fall on your sword so that we may win as a team

Hm. I see what you were saying with points one and two. However, you could be saying this so as to remove a NK threat to yourself, which would increase your odds of winning. But, you would be the first suspect tomorrow.

unvote

-Tails

[Haggis_McMutton]

Votes:

aage - 2.01(Flores, Flow)
Flores - 1(aage)

[aage]

Flow, do I need to explain again? I'll bring in mathematics as well in that case.. This I know:
- if I don't kill, I die myself
- if I die i'm 100% sure I kill a towny
- if I kill i've got 25%, possibly 50% (but not really very plausibly) chance of hitting the scum and thus 75% or 50% chance of killing a towny
- 75% < 100%

Logically speaking there's no point in falling into my own sword. I'd rather unvote vote flow for suggesting that even though I alread explained why that'd be ridiculous...

[FloresDelMal]

i think we are pretty stuck right now, and the situation seems pretty much like lynch or lose to me, as i see it we have two ways out of this:

1.- Tails votes aage and we learn something from his lynch (for better or for worse)
2.- we make a mass claim (roles and night actions) and we re-evaluate who to lynch according to the credibility of the claims.

so what will it be guys?

[FloresDelMal]

Logically speaking there's no point in falling into my own sword. I'd rather unvote vote flow for suggesting that even though I alread explained why that'd be ridiculous...

Oh and btw aage, this is your second OMGUS vote in one day, it doesnt make you look good.

[aage]

Logically speaking there's no point in falling into my own sword. I'd rather unvote vote flow for suggesting that even though I alread explained why that'd be ridiculous...

Oh and btw aage, this is your second OMGUS vote in one day, it doesnt make you look good.

Since reasoning with you seems impossible, I thought I'd try a different strategy. Also, wasn't it you who was wondering why my vote was still on you? Yet you seem surprised. Anyway, it might be an omgus vote, but that's just cause Flow is ignoring anything I say. Blinded by rage? Possibly. But as I said I'm not going to fret over it... We should be able to play this game just fine...

[FloresDelMal]

We should be able to play this game just fine...

i beg to disagree, the activity just died since we became stuck, seems there is no way to reach a lynch, and this game will just die like so many others before, pity.

[aage]

We should be able to play this game just fine...

i beg to disagree, the activity just died since we became stuck, seems there is no way to reach a lynch, and this game will just die like so many others before, pity.

I was referring to the fact that Flow replaced AoG, not the game activity. Regretfully, you are right though.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I think aage is town, but that mandatory NK is troublesome. I can't vote him, though, because of this:

Assuming we may have 2town, 1maf, 1 3rd, and he's one of the town, then if we lynch him, maf is equal to town. Tomorrow would have 1 of each. IF we survived, because maf would go for the kill. We could potentially lose with his death.

Assuming 3town, 1maf, and again he's one of the town, that's 2 town in the night, and maf goes for kill. Sure flores could busdrive, and they could end up killing themselves, but that's a big chance. So again that's a potential loss.

vote flow

I also feel flores is town, but maybe not (Would 3rd party bus driver be silly enough?). So yeah, I gotta try for flow.

-Tails

[Haggis_McMutton]

Votes:

aage - 2.01(Flores, Flow)
Flores - 1(aage)
Flow - 1(Tails)

Not going to enforce a deadline yet, but it's looming on the horizon. I'd prefer if i don't have to do it.

[FloresDelMal]

i like flow, but he was a townie in his previous life, what are the odds in such a small game that got another townie role this time around? plus i prefer to take my chances and make a mistake that might lead me to win or lose the game, than do nothing and see the game dead and forgotten, so i cross my fingers and unvote vote flow

[Flow520]

I guess I'm going to have to have to roleclaim to save myself. I am a vanilla townie.
Lynch me at your own peril.

Flow

[Flow520]

Flow, do I need to explain again? I'll bring in mathematics as well in that case.. This I know:
- if I don't kill, I die myself
- if I die i'm 100% sure I kill a towny
- if I kill i've got 25%, possibly 50% (but not really very plausibly) chance of hitting the scum and thus 75% or 50% chance of killing a towny
- 75% < 100%

Logically speaking there's no point in falling into my own sword. I'd rather unvote vote flow for suggesting that even though I alread explained why that'd be ridiculous...

You're "math" is really flawed because you do not state your assumptions. The main one being that you ASSUME we all believe you are pro town. Without that assumption, the rest of your "math" falls apart.

[Flow520]

Flow is ignoring anything I say.

Not ignoring, just finding it nonsensical.

Blinded by rage?

Nope. All my arguments make sense. You just happened to make a role claim that you must kill each night. I'm just trying to save you guys form lynching another townie.

[aage]

If what you say I should contain that in my assumptions and I would actually not be the vigilante, I would be lying and there would be no reason to believe either me or my maths. I suppose therefore it's unnecessary to point that out in my maths. "Oh, but that only counts if I'm not lying, so lets say that 50% chance I'm lying then..." No. That's just bullshit.
That doesn't matter though, since you're the dead scumster and I'm the vigilante.

Also, if you're trying to save us from lynching another towny and you're referring to yourself, I'm afraid you're a little late.

[FloresDelMal]

vanilla townie?? seriously? that is the worst fake clamming ever, and i thought this game was stritctly non vanilla

[aage]

It doens't say "NV" in the description but it is a very bad fake claim.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Woops, i actually missed aage switching his vote in my previous vote counts. It really is:

Votes:
aage - 1.01(Flow)
Flow - 3(Tails, Flores, aage)

now, so Flow vanilla townie is lynched (again).

Night 2, go

PS. I totally knew you guys wouldn't believe her if she claimed her actual role

[aage]

Vanilla towny with a 1.01 vote? Haggis, would you care to explain that?

[Haggis_McMutton]

Vanilla towny with a 1.01 vote? Haggis, would you care to explain that?

What so i should call her 1.01 Townie?

The 1.01 thing was just a joke, doesn't really serve a purpose. She has no powers.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I can now safely say the game will end tonight.

It's not sure what'll happen though, still waiting on one action.

OH, THE SUSPENSE...

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Holy shit that was outta left field...

A vanilla townie in a silly mafia. I don't get it, that doesn't make sense. Something just doesn't add up. Is the real role hidden? Hm too late now I guess.

-Tails

[Flow520]

Voice from the grave: "Ohhhhhh, if only the fools had listened...."