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if you can't relate to holden in any sense, then I guess you're not going to like the book, but if you can't relate to Holden, I dunno, that reflects badly upon you in my opinion. Em yeah, hate me or dismiss me for saying that if you like, but it's what I think.btownmeggy wrote:The angstyness is not my main gripe with Catcher in the Rye. I DON'T find Holden relateable, likeable, or even compelling. He's not written as a character whose distance from the reader improves the story. It seems to me that he's meant to resonate within you, withstanding his foibles and goofs, but he certainly does not resonate within me.qeee1 wrote: I think Catcher speaks a certain truth, that has not found such beautiful or genuine expression anywhere else in literature, and to dismiss it because the main character is too angsty is a great tragedy. It's like dismissing Don Quixote for being too detatched from reality. Salinger's other works are also great, but Catcher is truly his master piece.
"Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley
Frigidus wrote:but now that it's become relatively popular it's suffered the usual downturn in coolness.
One of my favourite authors at the moment is Jeff Noon. Everything of his that I've read is of the utmost quality. He has a book called Automated Alice which is a kind of 22nd century remix of Alice In Wonderland. Vurt and Needle In The Groove are his best books. He's also got a collection of short stories, Pixel Juice, with a truly outstanding passage called Metaphorazine (read it out loud).hecter wrote:I thought I'd leave a suggestion of my own after reading all this. Lewis Carols books and poems are good for a light read. He wrote Alice in Wonderland. It's actually really good, so don't dismiss it because it's been Disneyfied.

Seconded. Fforde is top-drawer stuff for literary types. He really crafts the humor and the references. His books aren't just slapped-together wannabe-pastiches like a certain author I won't mention *coughtomholtcough*MeDeFe wrote:And anyone who has a sound literary background (i.e. has read a lot of books) and a sense of humour should enjoy Jasper Fforde immensely. Even if you don't get even half of the jokes you'll still be laughing your ass off.
LOL i thought the anti-CITR sentiment would be controversialqeee1 wrote:if you can't relate to holden in any sense, then I guess you're not going to like the book, but if you can't relate to Holden, I dunno, that reflects badly upon you in my opinion. Em yeah, hate me or dismiss me for saying that if you like, but it's what I think.btownmeggy wrote:The angstyness is not my main gripe with Catcher in the Rye. I DON'T find Holden relateable, likeable, or even compelling. He's not written as a character whose distance from the reader improves the story. It seems to me that he's meant to resonate within you, withstanding his foibles and goofs, but he certainly does not resonate within me.qeee1 wrote: I think Catcher speaks a certain truth, that has not found such beautiful or genuine expression anywhere else in literature, and to dismiss it because the main character is too angsty is a great tragedy. It's like dismissing Don Quixote for being too detatched from reality. Salinger's other works are also great, but Catcher is truly his master piece.
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Can't help but throw a Studio 60 quote out there (in regards to the 48 laws of power book or whatever it's called): "It's a book for people who've never heard of Machiavelli."areon wrote:Some serious books I finished reading were Biohazard by Ken Alibek and The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. The first deals with biological weapons research and the second on how to make and destroy enemies to benefit yourself.
I've read "The Prince" and I really liked it. I'm interested in that time period and I found it quite an insight into the minds of the rulers of that time - it also helped me playing Europa Universalis 2 (the best computer game IMHO)!Incandenza wrote:Can't help but throw a Studio 60 quote out there (in regards to the 48 laws of power book or whatever it's called): "It's a book for people who've never heard of Machiavelli."areon wrote:Some serious books I finished reading were Biohazard by Ken Alibek and The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. The first deals with biological weapons research and the second on how to make and destroy enemies to benefit yourself.
It's just 'The Prince' with a hip-hop veneer. Do yourself a favor and read some Machiavelli, who had a bit more at stake than the average wannabe rap impresario.