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Re: 7 troops SHOULD be able kill a fucking SINGLE!

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My point is simple.

I do not know what the odds/chances are of me rolling 5v1 and losing then 4v1 losing again, then 3v1 and winning are, but I can assume they are less than 10/1 (10%). This situation (rolling 5v1 etc) happens a few times during a game but I can say truthfully that the same result (winning when I get to 3v1) happens with monotonous regularity. I would go so far as to say it happens every other time I find myself in this situation (ie. 50% of the time). Now you may argue that random means it could happen every time, but surely at some point it should stop happening (yes I know it could happen always, every roll, forever, but we all live in the real world most of the time).

This particular situation stands out on my mind as it does happen often, more often than one would consider normal, even with random variation. I use a real life case as an example. many years ago I was connected to the Casino business. Naturally we worked on odds and variations. If we had a punter rolling a set result on the dice with that kind of systematic regularity we would be investigating very closely as it would skew the odds badly. Please do understand, I am not saying this has just happened a few times, but for pretty much months now.

Surely this cannot be correct, can it?
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Re: 7 troops SHOULD be able kill a fucking SINGLE!

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Woodruff wrote:You state that "if the dice are streaky, then they are not random" (or at least saying such). This doesn't even make basic sense, as it implies that streaks do not fall within random capabilities. Streaks certainly are going to be more prone amongst random data than they are amongst controlled data, unless the controller is attempting to bring in streaks.
I admit that you can get streaks with random dice, but these streaks occur randomly therefore the dice are still random. Unless you want to more clearly define what you mean when you say streak.

And @Fruitcake, have you tried using dice analyser? It seems it may be confirmation bias that's misleading you, but then again, I've not seen your dice.
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Re: 7 troops SHOULD be able kill a fucking SINGLE!

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Fruitcake wrote:My point is simple.

I do not know what the odds/chances are of me rolling 5v1 and losing then 4v1 losing again, then 3v1 and winning are, but I can assume they are less than 10/1 (10%). This situation (rolling 5v1 etc) happens a few times during a game but I can say truthfully that the same result (winning when I get to 3v1) happens with monotonous regularity...
If it is true that this is a situation where the dice are not rolling randomly, then you should be able to prove it by recording the number of times this situation happens to you IN FUTURE GAMES. I.e., you cannot base your conclusion on what you remember--memory is selective.

Simply do this for your next 10 games:
Whenever you start a 5v1 attack, record the outcome--win on the first roll, win on the second, win on the third, lose all three. At the end of the 10 games, see how far off the "expected" probabilities are:
Win on the first roll: 66%
Win on the second roll: 22.4%
Win on the third roll: 7.6%
lose all three: 4%

If you are way off, then I say you have an argument, and we can all do this experiment to show repeatability.

The key to proving there is something wrong is to PREDICT it. If you are all right, it is not hard to do. This method can be used by anyone who feels that there is a non-randomness to the dice.
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Re: 7 troops SHOULD be able kill a fucking SINGLE!

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I just lost an 8 v 1 in an esc game....its going to cost me the game, cashes were at 35. Fucking Bullshit.
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