[OFFICIAL] Stack the Deck mafia (4/12)Endgame: MAFIA WIN

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Mars.

Genuine vote, entirely based on gut feeling.

[anamainiacks]

Vote Mars.

Genuine vote, entirely based on gut feeling.

That's a lot to base a genuine vote on... not that we have much else to go on at this point, heh.

2 days of joke votes, out of 8 days of D1, without much of a slip up... Still not sure if the 'cards' were joke votes or subtle softclaims, but nothing particularly scummy anyway.

Right now my only inclination would be madmitch, for potentially intentionally prolonging the joke vote phase quite considerably. Not familiar with his (or anyone's, for that matter) usual play style, so shall refrain from voting for now, in case that's the norm.

[madmitch]

@ WCG what are reason have you besides your gut to think Marashu is scum ? I see two posts by him 1 something about Tim bw conformations 2 and about a counter claim , neither are much sense but scummy that is a far stretch

[bosaardbeitje]

@ anamainiacks (any ideas on how we can shorten your name? ) Mitch is called Mad for a reason, you can expect all kinds of things from him, including dragging out the joke vote stage. So far I haven't seen him doing anything that makes me want to put him on my suspect list, but then again he's difficult to read.

[madmitch]

well shucks strawberry ya making turn red

[anamainiacks]

@ anamainiacks (any ideas on how we can shorten your name? ) Mitch is called Mad for a reason, you can expect all kinds of things from him, including dragging out the joke vote stage. So far I haven't seen him doing anything that makes me want to put him on my suspect list, but then again he's difficult to read.

Ah, okay cool, thanks for the intel (:

ana or anam is how people usually shorten it, so you can go with either of those!

[TimWoodbury]

Vote Mars.

Genuine vote, entirely based on gut feeling.

what else has this gut told you?

[rizky_biznezz]

i can't make much from what we have so far... not inclined to think mitch is scum as yet but like everyone has said not much to work with

[Iron Butterfly]

@ anamainiacks (any ideas on how we can shorten your name? ) Mitch is called Mad for a reason, you can expect all kinds of things from him, including dragging out the joke vote stage. So far I haven't seen him doing anything that makes me want to put him on my suspect list, but then again he's difficult to read.

What would make you put Mitch or someone on your suspect list?

[bosaardbeitje]

Why are you concerned about my suspect list?

[madmitch]

Vote count

-Endgame422 (1): bosaardbeitje
-TimWoodbury (1): marashu
-WingCmdr Ginkapo (1): Endgame422
-bosaardbeitje (1): the white rose, ptlowe
-madmitch (0): dakky21
-Streaker (1): the white rose
-the white rose (1): dakky21

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline November 12th 05.00 CC Time.

Looks like at this time nobody has a good read on scum yet . I am sure someone will screw up sooner or later,we just wait and see.

[Iron Butterfly]

Why are you concerned about my suspect list?

Because it is meaningless drivvle unless you have specific criteria for putting one on it.

[bosaardbeitje]

Wouldn't it be incredibly stupid to tell Mitch (and others) what they have to do to get on my suspect list and thus what they have to do to get on my Town list? I really don't see how putting that information in the open would be beneficial to Town. Only scum would be interested in knowing this.

So, guess what? Congratulations, you just made it to my suspect list.

unvote vote Iron Butterfly

[Marashu]

Vote Mars.

Genuine vote, entirely based on gut feeling.

Really? Ok, there's not much that's been going on, but 5 days until deadline and barely any cases, so I don't fault you for wanting to pick things up. Let's play.

Wouldn't it be incredibly stupid to tell Mitch (and others) what they have to do to get on my suspect list and thus what they have to do to get on my Town list? I really don't see how putting that information in the open would be beneficial to Town. Only scum would be interested in knowing this.

Everyone has a suspect list. Bosaa, while I understand wanting to keep some things secret, once you assert something, it's no longer secret and you should be able to back it up. Like, your read of mitch not being on your suspect list. Once you say he's not a suspect, you should be able to defend why he is not currently on your suspect list. Convincing others of your views, letting people read you, and offering more material to the discussion are all reasons you might want to expound on your suspect list. Keep that in mind.

Early reads - nobody's really screaming townie to me right now. Reading ptlowe a little scummy for the following post sounding like he's trying to pocket bosaa, but otherwise I'm not entirely sure.

vote bos because shes not in my other games

That makes little sense. Boss can be a unique read to this game rather than muddying the waters by having to seperate out her play in more than one game.

This. Unlike others I feel no need to be in 3 games at the same time

but but but, your my new buddy

[bosaardbeitje]

I understand that and of course I will explain my reads when I have them, but that's not what IB asked me to do, did he? Instead of simply asking me to explain why Mitch is not a suspect to me atm, which I would consider a valid question, he asked for a guide called 'How to end up on bos's suspect list'. I think that's a strange thing to ask and I fail to see how answering him will help Town in any way. If you disagree, I would like to hear why.

In my first game I also struggled with Mitch's play style and asked my fellow players whether Mitch was acting scummy or whether this was his normal way of playing. So, I understand why Anam is struggling with this. I am not saying Mitch is Town, I am only saying he's being his usual self. If you are new around here it's easy to jump to the conclusion that Mitch is scum.

I agree with you about Ptlowe. In my first game he had me fooled from beginning to end. Maybe he thinks it will work again, so I am keeping both my eyes on him.

[Iron Butterfly]

Wouldn't it be incredibly stupid to tell Mitch (and others) what they have to do to get on my suspect list and thus what they have to do to get on my Town list? I really don't see how putting that information in the open would be beneficial to Town. Only scum would be interested in knowing this.

So, guess what? Congratulations, you just made it to my suspect list.

unvote vote Iron Butterfly

So you voted me for daring to ask a legitimate question and yes there are certain criteria one can to use as lynch policy. Granted it is not easy on day one. If everyone had different criteria then how can one agree on weather there is a good case??
Hmm?

I think more importantly you voted me not because of what I asked but because I asked a question you really can not answer. Now does that make you scum?? Not necessarily. It just tells me your extremely defensive

[Endgame422]

UNVOTE WING
VOTE THE WHITE ROSE
I really expected you to be much louder TWR.

[madmitch]

@ End I don't understand your vote unless you are trying to get a result from TWR. also you yourself have not made any clear posts ,so you should vote for your self

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@ End I don't understand your vote unless you are trying to get a result from TWR. also you yourself have not made any clear posts ,so you should vote for your self

The White Rose tends to post as often as you do. Now look at how many times you have posted in this game and how many time White Rose has posted. Somethings up, and End is just wanting to know what that is.

Right now after rereading this game I side with IB against Boss. Thats a ridiculous OMGUS defence for so little pressure. IB asked a simple question.

There is something else thats important to D1 this game. Mafia had a N0 so knew when the game was going to start properly. The first three posts were Boss, Mars and Myself. Boss and Mars both posted within 30 mins of Streaker. Now I was willing to give Boss benefit of the doubt as I know posting at 07:00 CC time is normal for her as she is European. However, Mars is American so this is rather odd. Moreover, by the fact that Mars was stalking the mafia forum throughout the previous weekend, odd behaviour for someone not in a game.

Now this is all conjecture and could just be coincidence, so is just the reason why I was looking at Mars.

However, I am always suspicious of jokevotes on players known to get overly defensive to slight pressure. I'd put Tim in this category.

And after posting that my gut says that Mars is scum, he attempts to post a proper read on the game. There is barely anything to read so why post that then? It seemed like a reaction to me.

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

[Endgame422]

@ End I don't understand your vote unless you are trying to get a result from TWR. also you yourself have not made any clear posts ,so you should vote for your self

Just wanting some action out of rose.
Last game he was town he was very opinionated,here hes just blending in to the wall,which raises an eyebrow from me.

[TimWoodbury]

@ End I don't understand your vote unless you are trying to get a result from TWR. also you yourself have not made any clear posts ,so you should vote for your self

The White Rose tends to post as often as you do. Now look at how many times you have posted in this game and how many time White Rose has posted. Somethings up, and End is just wanting to know what that is.

idk i think twr loves positing as much as i then he dose mitch

[madmitch]

@ End I don't understand your vote unless you are trying to get a result from TWR. also you yourself have not made any clear posts ,so you should vote for your self

Just wanting some action out of rose.
Last game he was town he was very opinionated,here hes just blending in to the wall,which raises an eyebrow from me.

okay, thanks for answer , makes good sense.

[Marashu]

However, Mars is American so this is rather odd. Moreover, by the fact that Mars was stalking the mafia forum throughout the previous weekend, odd behaviour for someone not in a game.

How is this odd, exactly? I'm up at 0500CCT on weekdays because of work, and often have time to check on games. You should know this by the fact that when I run a game I do a vote count every morning at 0600CCT. (also, fun fact, most Canadians don't like being called American)

I've not been in a real game with rose before, so I'm not sure what's up with that meta, but I don't really think that activity = alignment.

I think more importantly you voted me not because of what I asked but because I asked a question you really can not answer. Now does that make you scum?? Not necessarily. It just tells me your extremely defensive

I agree that this is weird on bosaa's part. There is a fine distinction between a question she cannot answer and a question she is not willing to answer, but I'm failing to see how the question you asked makes you scum.

Instead of simply asking me to explain why Mitch is not a suspect to me atm, which I would consider a valid question, he asked for a guide called 'How to end up on bos's suspect list'. I think that's a strange thing to ask and I fail to see how answering him will help Town in any way. If you disagree, I would like to hear why.

Saying that he asked for a guide is quite the hyperbole. And now that you've said this:

In my first game I also struggled with Mitch's play style and asked my fellow players whether Mitch was acting scummy or whether this was his normal way of playing. So, I understand why Anam is struggling with this. I am not saying Mitch is Town, I am only saying he's being his usual self. If you are new around here it's easy to jump to the conclusion that Mitch is scum.

I feel that I have to echo his sentiment. How WOULD mitch make it onto your suspect list? Or anyone's, for that matter? He's erratic, but he doesn't go around twirling his scumstache.

[madmitch]

But I do walk with a cane, also I think the USA is a grand place but as Mars said we are true blue Canadians and want everyone to know it.BOS, I still am finding no reason for your out burst and vote against I.B. ABOUT YOUR SO CALLED LIST. We all have lists , I know I do and I am constantly changing it because of remarks or actions, and now I have to draw up a new one.

[bosaardbeitje]

It looks like many of you think that IB asked a good question. The question was:

What would make you put Mitch or someone on your suspect list?

I thought he asked me for the general criteria to end up on my suspect list. So, an answer to that would be: If Mitch (or someone else) does A, B and C that makes him a suspect to me. Based on that answer Mitch (and others) could easily avoid doing A,B and C (if scum) and do X, Y and Z instead. How is that going to help Town? Can someone please spell it out for me, because I still don't get it. Or did I misinterpret IB's question?

Of course I am going to explain my reads as they come to me and of course I am going to make a list of reads as the day continues, but to me that's something different than sharing my criteria at the beginning of the game.

Mitch's posts so far don't scream one or the other to me. He is just joking a lot, which he usually does. What he would have to do to look scummy to me? I will tell you when I see it.

Then, there's the points Wing is making. I don't believe that the moments someone is posting are a strong indication of their alignment. It might as well be coincedence. I am inclined to believe Maras's answer on that one.

At the moment I am suspicious of Ptlowe for his interaction with me during the joke vote fase. Besides TWR, I also feel that Dakky is very quiet compared to normal. Rizky seems to have chosen the 'wait and see' approach again. I am also not sure whether I like that.