Alien: The Return - Alien wins!

[madmitch]

@ DDS, why are you still trying to throw me under the bus ? I said the same thing as Mudpuppy but did not elaborate the players as he did ( skoffin -science officer ) and no I did not return as the alien queen, and I also did not save that there was two cults just I thought that the new guy COULD HAVE BEEN A CULT LEADER not that he was. I am tired of this mitch being mitch phrase because I am actually trying to ask sensible questions. I unvoted you DDS because what you brought up was a reasonable and made some sense but your attack of me makes you look like you are trying to hide something again.FOS DDS.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I'm reading something entirely different then.

I know that this is a crazy game already,but let's look at the facts: this is the THE RETURN, 5 survivors and at least 1 infected ( new alien queen, cult leader ) now add the weird man from the company ( another cult leader possible ? ) and the 2 guards ,that gives us 8 players , what I don't understand why DDS is saying I am trying to confuse everyone? I think he is trying to hide his true form and misdirect everyone. vote DDS

unvote After rereading ,I find Rags is right DDS does sound more town than alien, but I don't get why Strike is underfire?

????

Guessing it more likely we have 1 Alien Queen & two groups of crew members... one group pro-survival and the other pro-company (even if it means the sacrifice of life). So, a 1/4/3 split with the 1 as the cultist???

Not the same thing, more plausible, town has a much better chance of winning.

I don't know why I feel like I have to defend myself, or make any more of my points valid. It's pointless. And f*ck is it frustrating.

Spoiler

I say Mitch being Mitch because it isn't logical to lynch someone for something that's well within their town behavior and a wild speculation about set up is pretty par for the course from Mitch. Your case on Mitch boiled down to you believing that he was sowing confusion by stating a wild theory. Explain the wild theory bit which is easily explainable by it being in Mitch's normal town range and your case is weak.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the ship has 3 new arrivals who join 5 crew members already on the ship when there were 5 survivors from the prequel. If related, then we may already know 5 of the roles: 3 vanilla crew + 1 former crew who was infected and now the new alien queen (pretty safe assumption) + 1 additional crew member (security or vanilla, depending on who was infected). Survivors from end of first alien game:

Alive
Skoffin - Science Officer
Ragian - Science Officer
Samlen - Science Officer
IcePack - Science Officer
DirtyDishSoap - Security Officer

I would normally guess that a guard might equate to a security officer but having two or three security officers in this setup would be a bit too crazy... not quite as crazy as Mitch's theory... but still too crazy for balance. So, the company man and friends could just be story line filler to get the crew back up to 8, in which case we could have any of the proposed setups if one or two the new additions has a power (security or psychic). I'd give a bit more weight to a setup with a security officer since we know one survived from the prequel.... Or, Benga may also have added a whole new town faction (Company) to compete with the current town faction (Survivors).

I'm not doubting Mud's conclusion that the company man and guards are probably filler to bring the crew back to eight but the rest is just overdone. There's no need for it. He created a whole post (which I actually cut down on) when he could have explained it in two sentences. If that. It's as obfuscating as anything Mitch has done. Trying to claim that there would be a role in the game because it was in the previous game is just misleading. There's no basis for stating the possibility of such a scenario as IMO no good mod would make that scenario without good reason and if such a scenario was to be made, we as town would have more than vague flavor text that can be interpreted a hundred ways.

Mudpuppy ends his post being pretty undecisive as he leaves open the possibility of the company (frankly not impossible but I'm inclined to agree with you that until proven otherwise we are dealing with a similar set up to the original game) as a second possible threat.

So the lack of a soft claim and the omgus vote and being defensive, the same things he did in the previous Alien...When he was Queen...When you clearly suspected him before, is somehow the green light that he's town? Wut...Maybe I have to play another 10 or so games with him, a years worth of content to go off, to get a feel for his scum tells, but I'm simply unwilling to invest that kind of time into it when I find it pointless.
I'm afraid if we're going to keep using the mitch is being mitch logic, then I'm not going to continue playing with him after this game is over with. It's just not fun or even funny.

As for Puppy...He articulated his thought on what can plausible. Albeit, unlikely. I'll grant you that assuming the same power role is in this game is misleading and can be somewhat scummy, but as I said, there's a 1/4 (or 1/3) that we do have one currently. So the assumption, to me, is not entirely unfounded.

[Pikanchion]

I'd be happy with either a madmitch or dakky21 lynch for the whole two cult thing, nobody else has done anything particularly noteworthy in my opinion.

[MudPuppy]

While Strike has put me at the top of his scum list for suggesting this game might include some carryover elements of last game's setup and DDS has agreed in general with that sentiment (assuming same power role is "misleading and can be somewhat scummy")... I stand by the potential. This game is billed as a continuation of the first and while I fully recognize it would go against the grain to carry a role forward from the prequel, I think it could be a logical approach in this game... and would be little different from having a vanilla game where you know one of the roles is that of a cop. Whether you agree with the possibility of a role carry-over, I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest it's scummy as whether true or not, it has a minimal impact. I agreed that each of DDS's proposed scenario's was still possible and concluded only that there may be a slightly higher weight on a scenario that includes a security officer.

I've since fallen out of love with my two-town faction theory (survialists vs. company). I think it's still an interesting possibility but not one I think is likely. Leaning more toward one of the standard alien setups listed by DDS.

In any case, I think there is little opportunity for collusion on D1, meaning there is just one bad guy and the rest are town.

Here are my preliminary player thoughts:

DirtyDishSoap - is acting most townish at the moment... but that really doesn't mean a whole lot on D1

Ragian - a bit annoyed at his statement equating "deductive approach" to scumminess as it could be seen as an attempt to shut down meaningful discussion (granted there is usually little of that on D1 anyway). Don't think too much of his strike vote. While strike has done little to indicate being scum, Ragian's reasoning works for me.

madmitch - I feel a bit of sympathy for him with his last "why is everyone picking on me" (a theme vs. an actual quote) post where he says he's really trying and doesn't like the characterization of "mitch being mitch." But he came up with a doozy of a theory that is difficult to justify. His defense of his theory as "sensible" and his FOS on DDS, who is acting quite towny, puts mitch near the top of my list. On one hand I want to give him a second chance, on the other I'd have a hard time forgiving myself if he actually turns out to be the alien queen and I failed to vote against him.

Pikanchion - thought his claim that mitch "fished for them to roleclaim and basically suggested a mass roleclaim was the correct course of action" was a huge stretch of what really happened. He & mitch are vying for my vote at the moment. Pika will definitely get the nod if he uses that bold orange to highlight text again. .

Little Witt - Also in the top half of my scum list for lack of contribution other than a tldr request to everyone else to fill him in. Get in the game or get gone.

strike wolf - Not much of a read on him... he's an enigma. Leaning town but I expect him to convincingly appear town when scum.

dakky21 - While mostly funny, he clearly didn't read the OP closely and voted mitch as a result. He before and since has voted strike for joke voting a non-player (???) and has also suggested the two-cult theory. Not sure what to make of his play but I'm not a fan.

[Ragian]

unvote

I'm not sold on Strike yet. Something tickles my balls of suspicion. I just can't tell what it is. To clarify in case it was poorly phrased, the main reason for voting Strike was not his level of participation up to the point of my vote, but because I never felt anyone looked too scummy to me, so I went with voting for whom I would least want to be the queen. Moreover, I feel that we dragged the waters some (if that's an actual phrase or just me quoting Pantera).

@Mitch, I understand that it's frustrating to being hassled, but you also have to look at it from the perspective of others. I, for instance, had no clue you were the AQ last game because I simply can't see the difference between town Mitch and scum Mitch; I only see Madmitch. You have to accept that the uncertainty about your play whether scum or town will generate heat. I wholeheartedly believe that you're trying your darndest, and I also feel that you have come a long way since I started playing with you, but I still can't tell the difference between your town questions and your scum tells, so don't go throw your computer out the window when people scrutinise you. Especially when you offer up unfounded scenarios. That said, I still maintain that we can play this game without hurting anyone's feelings...even if we're frustrated with other people's play

So, a quick rundown of the players:
- Dakky: Hasn't said or done anything to my recollection. I could vote for him.
- Mitch: I have no clue, but as of now, my guts tell me that he's town.
- DDS: I have a decent feeling about DDS at the moment. I like how he took on Strike. Not how he's handling Mitch.
- Pika: I couldn't say yes or no at this point. I could vote for him.
- Strike: There's something...I don't know what it is...maybe a complex of sorts that I shouldn't explore.
- Mud: Falls out of love with what he said earlier because some went against it...could be worth keeping in mind.
- Witt: Hasn't said or done anything to my recollection. I'm going to vote for him if nothing appears soon.

Several have stated that they find me town. Why is that?

[MudPuppy]

- Mud: Falls out of love with what he said earlier because some went against it...could be worth keeping in mind.

1) Never said some going against my theory was the reason I fell out of love with it... it wasn't... just thought it through a bit more.
2) DDS & strike referred to my two-town faction theory as "plausible" and "frankly not impossible" even though I think they both feel it unlikely. Point being your characterization of some going against it is not quite accurate.
3) My theory that folks "went against" was the role carry-over of the security officer from the prequel. I'm standing by this theory despite the pushback, including strike using it as the primary reason for suspecting me as scum. I don't change my theories based on popularity... though I can definitely be swayed by logic.

[Ragian]

I never said that you said that. I gave my interpretation. Why are you defending such a small thing?

[MudPuppy]

I never said that you said that. I gave my interpretation. Why are you defending such a small thing?

... and I never said you said I said that.
... I'm correcting your mis-interpretation.

[Pikanchion]

YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!

[madmitch]

I know it would be difficult with 3 security guards but that what it seems to be, if we take in the situation of being the return, we had 4 science officers and 1 security guard left ( 1 of these 5 is AQ now) plus the company man plus 2 more security guards which leaves a couple of possibilities , 1 AQ ,1company man, 3 SCIENCE OFFICERS AND 3 GUARDS OR 1 AQ ,1COMPANY MAN AND 4 SCIENCE OFFICERS AND 2 GUARDS ? I know it sounds crazy but what else is possible ? It is going to make it interesting at night. I think we should take a look at Pikanchion I thought he was the AQ in my post and he didn't even blink, I also would like to hear more from little witt

[Pikanchion]

I think we should take a look at Pikanchion I thought he was the AQ in my post and he didn't even blink, I also would like to hear more from little witt

What... When? This post?

oh shit not again That Pikanchion character looks alien to me LET'S GET HIM

I don't see how not responding to a joke stage post is scummy...

[Ragian]

vote mudpuppy

[madmitch]

@ Pikanchion ,thanks for responding,never really thought you were scum,Hell take a look at everyone else and pick one out of them. Look at mine .it is PAUL which is the name of a crazy, funny alien movie, we really have not much more we can talk about, we already beat the shit out of the two cult ideal and how many science officers and security guards there is. So guys where do we go from here? Do we go after Ragain because he said why does everyone think I'M town? or do we have a mass claim ? or maybe it might be better to have a no vote and see what happens at night ? at least day 2 gives us two voting opportunities to get rid of the AQ and who she recruited.

[DirtyDishSoap]

The deadline is fast approaching, a no vote would reduce the chances of town winning because we would literally be in the same boat in D2 as we are now. Pick a candidate at this point. Depending on who has the most votes the day before the deadline, I'll change mine so we can at least have a lynch.

[MudPuppy]

Vote madmitch

[benga]

VOTE COUNT

DirtyDishSoap
Ragian
MudPuppy /1/ rag
madmitch /2/pika, mud
Pikanchion
Little Witt
strike wolf /1/dakky,
dakky21

with 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

[madmitch]

vote mudpuppy

[DirtyDishSoap]

Benga, I still have my vote on Mitch.

While understanding the setup is probably supercool (but always too difficult for someone with my limited wit), I always find this very deductive approach to something hypothetical somewhat scummy. Pondering the setup is a good way to appear townie.

@Mudpuppy, have we played in the same mafia games before?

It was something that mitch had brought up that I wanted to squish immediately.

But out of everyone here, and since we're burning through daylight rather fast, I'm going to Vote Mitch

[benga]

VOTE COUNT

DirtyDishSoap
Ragian
MudPuppy /2/ rag,mitch
madmitch /3/pika, mud,DDS
Pikanchion
Little Witt
strike wolf /1/dakky
dakky21

with 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

[Ragian]

Never been more convinced that Mudpuppy is the AQ.

I think these are town:
- DDS
- Mitch
- Ragian (someone needs to spell it correctly)

I think one of these is the AQ (decreasing probability)
- Mudpuppy
- Little Wit/Pika/Dakky
- Strike

[dakky21]

vote mudpuppy

worse OMGUS vote I didn't see in quite some time

unvote, vote madmitch

[madmitch]

WOW one more vote and I am gone and town will lose an important player,it is my goal to protect crew members and get rid of the aliens

[Ragian]

Uhh, Dakky just shot up the AQ barometre!

Dakky is notoriously famous for knowing when mitch is scum. He has voiced NO concerns about mitch's play whatsoever, and now he justifies his vote by calling out mitch's OMGUS. Bullshit. He OMGUS'ed DDS too. He even avoided hammering in order not to look suspicious.

unvote vote dakky

[Pikanchion]

WOW one more vote and I am gone and town will lose an important player,it is my goal to protect crew members and get rid of the aliens

Is this a role claim?

[MudPuppy]

He even avoided hammering in order not to look suspicious.

Why are you trying to dissuade a D1 lynch by suggesting whoever pulls the gallows lever is suspicious? Your comment is what is suspicious.