Masturbation- is it wrong?

AndrewLC · Post by **AndrewLC** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:16 pm

OnlyAmbrose wrote:Who are you asking?

Myself, since age 15, probably about half a year.

Your penis hates you.

Huckleberryhound · Post by **Huckleberryhound** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:17 pm

Hitman079 wrote:
AndrewLC wrote:
and so what is the longest time you have ABSTAINED from masturbating?

A year and 4 months.

I was trying to cultivate my qi energy, and that is one of the pre-requisites......not as hard to do as it sounds, but there were moments

OnlyAmbrose · Post by **OnlyAmbrose** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:18 pm

AndrewLC wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:Who are you asking?

Myself, since age 15, probably about half a year.
Your penis hates you.

Incidentally, looking back, it was the best half year of my life. Life's good when there's no hanging guilt, and I wind up feeling very guilty because of this kind of thing.

(For the record, I'm 17 at the moment)

Hitman079 · Post by **Hitman079** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:20 pm

AndrewLC wrote: But yeah, 5 days, I practicly exploded when I did it again

LMFAO! mines is a month.

AndrewLC · Post by **AndrewLC** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:48 pm

Masturbation shouldn't make you feel guilty, there is no god, therefor he doesn't care if you're masturbating, because he doesn't exist

(I can't wait for a reply on this post

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OnlyAmbrose · Post by **OnlyAmbrose** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:55 pm

AndrewLC wrote:Masturbation shouldn't make you feel guilty, there is no god, therefor he doesn't care if you're masturbating, because he doesn't exist

(I can't wait for a reply on this post )

You won't get one, because that's an entirely different topic.

Fact is, if you're a Christian, evidence indicates that masturbation is wrong. If you're an atheist, it's fine, because it doesn't hurt anyone and there's no god who knows what you do alone in your room anyways.

If you want to start another atheist vs. theist thread, go ahead, but that's not what this topic is about.

The point I have made is that on Christian grounds, masturbation is wrong. Nothing more.

PS- the shameless baiting is flattering, by the by.

AndrewLC · Post by **AndrewLC** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:59 pm

OnlyAmbrose wrote:
AndrewLC wrote:Masturbation shouldn't make you feel guilty, there is no god, therefor he doesn't care if you're masturbating, because he doesn't exist

(I can't wait for a reply on this post )
You won't get one, because that's an entirely different topic.

Fact is, if you're a Christian, evidence indicates that masturbation is wrong. If you're an atheist, it's fine, because it doesn't hurt anyone and there's no god who knows what you do alone in your room anyways.

If you want to start another atheist vs. theist thread, go ahead, but that's not what this topic is about.

The point I have made is that on Christian grounds, masturbation is wrong. Nothing more.

PS- the shameless baiting is flattering, by the by.

Haha, I was expecting someone to try and convert me, but since you're not, I'll respect your opinion

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:26 pm

Quite frankly, masturbation is supposed to be an enjoyable experience, during and after. If you feel a hanging guilt after for whatever reason, then do not masturbate, as it makes the experience un-enjoyable all-in-all. I feel no hanging guilt before, during and after masturbation and I find the whole experience to, generally, be an enjoyable one. Your religion should not dictate whether or not you're going to be able or allowed to beat one off every now and then, just whether or not you enjoy the whole of the experience.

Hitman079 · Post by **Hitman079** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:07 pm

hecter wrote:Quite frankly, masturbation is supposed to be an enjoyable experience, during and after. If you feel a hanging guilt after for whatever reason, then do not masturbate, as it makes the experience un-enjoyable all-in-all. I feel no hanging guilt before, during and after masturbation and I find the whole experience to, generally, be an enjoyable one. Your religion should not dictate whether or not you're going to be able or allowed to beat one off every now and then, just whether or not you enjoy the whole of the experience.

the guilt comes after, and abstaining isn't so easy. >_<

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:11 pm

Hitman079 wrote:
hecter wrote:Quite frankly, masturbation is supposed to be an enjoyable experience, during and after. If you feel a hanging guilt after for whatever reason, then do not masturbate, as it makes the experience un-enjoyable all-in-all. I feel no hanging guilt before, during and after masturbation and I find the whole experience to, generally, be an enjoyable one. Your religion should not dictate whether or not you're going to be able or allowed to beat one off every now and then, just whether or not you enjoy the whole of the experience.
the guilt comes after, and abstaining isn't so easy. >_<

Well then you have to teach and train yourself to learn how to abstain from masturbation. You have to say to yourself "Is this few minutes of pleasure worth the guilt and the insult to my god?"

Beastly · Post by **Beastly** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:45 pm

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

Fact is, if you're a Christian, evidence indicates that masturbation is wrong.

I would like to know where in the bible it says.."Thou shalt not masturbate"?

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:47 pm

Beastly wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:

Fact is, if you're a Christian, evidence indicates that masturbation is wrong.

I would like to know where in the bible it says.."Thou shalt not masturbate"?

They've been over it already...

Basically, it's a form of expressing your lust.

Beastly · Post by **Beastly** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:52 pm

lusting after yourself....

lmao tff

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:56 pm

Beastly wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:

Fact is, if you're a Christian, evidence indicates that masturbation is wrong.

I would like to know where in the bible it says.."Thou shalt not masturbate"?

As far as that goes, where in the bible does it say: thou shalt not curse

Beastly · Post by **Beastly** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:14 pm

I have a ?...

If masturbation is wrong...Then what are men suppose to do if they are not getting laid?

They have a sperm count, and it has to come out!!!!

Ronaldinho · Post by **Ronaldinho** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:17 pm

Recon God will be pissed if i get my bottom ribs taken out so i can suck my own cock?

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:37 pm

Ronaldinho wrote:Recon God will be pissed if i get my bottom ribs taken out so i can suck my own cock?

Thought you got that operation four years ago.

Hitman079 · Post by **Hitman079** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:43 am

Beastly wrote:I have a ?...

If masturbation is wrong...Then what are men suppose to do if they are not getting laid?

They have a sperm count, and it has to come out!!!!

yeah, but, not necessary to life. you won't just randomly explode in a hail of blood guts and semen. nor will you just "explode" (the other kind) randomly.

OnlyAmbrose · Post by **OnlyAmbrose** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:57 am

Beastly wrote:I would like to know where in the bible it says.."Thou shalt not masturbate"?

Beastly wrote:lusting after yourself....

lmao tff

This has been addressed:

MR. Nate wrote:The lust thing is where the trouble is. It's pretty clear that lust is sin, both from the OT, and from the words of Jesus. So masturbation in the most common sense, by oneself and looking at porn, would be sin, because there is certainly lust involved.

OnlyAmbrose wrote:Mr. Nate summed it up nicely. Masturbation almost always involves lust, fantasizing, etc. That, and the arousal that comes from masturbation makes it far easier to give in to lust, even if you weren't necessarily fantasizing in the first place. Even if masturbation itself is not specifically mentioned as a sin in the Bible, it is either the natural product of a sin (lust, which Jesus called the equivalent of adultery) or can lead to the near occasion of that sin. Either way, it's something that is best avoided, difficult as it is- and it can certainly be argued that it's a sin in itself simply because it's either lustful or a direct link to lust. It's a struggle for most Christian young men I know to resist it, myself certainly included, but you're not alone, and it's entirely possible.

OnlyAmbrose wrote:
hecter wrote:But what if you masturbating while fantasizing about the person you love (wife or girlfriend). Does that still make it wrong and an object of lust? As I have done that before, and will do again.
Sure does make it lust!

Lust is when you start thinking about the things you would do to/with a girl. And that's what generally accompanies masturbation. There's a very fine line between lust and appreciation of a woman's beauty, and unfortunately, we as men cross it way too often (again, myself included).

From the Christian perspective, there is no sin in seeing a naked woman if you see her and raise thanks to God for giving us so beautiful a companion. There is sin if you start thinking about what you would do with her if you had the chance. And that's masturbation for you. Face it- when you're masturbating while thinking of some girl, you're not seeing her as God's creation, you're visualizing something erotic. You're using her image as something to make you sexually excited. That's lust.

But once again, this is all from the Christian perspective. For this manner of debate to be valid, you have to believe in God in the first place, which is quite a different topic. This was just in answer to Hitman's questions regarding whether or not it was a sin in the Christian doctrine or not.

And as to this:

Beastly wrote:If masturbation is wrong...Then what are men suppose to do if they are not getting laid?

They have a sperm count, and it has to come out!!!!

Hasn't ANYONE heard of a wet dream?

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:00 am

I say it's natural but I don't really approve of it.

Jehan · Post by **Jehan** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:39 am

b.k. barunt wrote:I think that the CC "Jesus Freaks" should pay attention to Mr. Nate.

i'm just curious as to the hostility towards the Jesus Freaks, if someone in the stachewackers says something you dont like does that make you hate all the stachewackers? not trying to be hostile or anything i'm just wondering if one of us ever personally offended you. Your right though Mr Nate has some great insight.

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:24 am

Jehan wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:I think that the CC "Jesus Freaks" should pay attention to Mr. Nate.
i'm just curious as to the hostility towards the Jesus Freaks, if someone in the stachewackers says something you dont like does that make you hate all the stachewackers? not trying to be hostile or anything i'm just wondering if one of us ever personally offended you. Your right though Mr Nate has some great insight.

Actually, I would like to know this too... All you're doing is having your little gatherings in your own, PRIVATE forum and discussing common points of interest (in this case, it's your religion). You come into the public forums and give your biased point of view, but you state that it is in fact biased and it will not work for everybody. I, personally, as a hardcore atheist, have no problem with that. You are simply exercising your rights in a civilized manner. I see no problems with that.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:59 am

Not everyone has wet dreams, kids.... I think I have maybe had one in my entire life.

SO masturbation is better, because you are awake to enjoy it...

If God didn't believe that you should love yourself, he wouldn't have made it so enjoyable... So piss off and find something else to thump your Bibles about.

Hitman079 · Post by **Hitman079** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:01 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Not everyone has wet dreams, kids.... I think I have maybe had one in my entire life.

SO masturbation is better, because you are awake to enjoy it...

If God didn't believe that you should love yourself, he wouldn't have made it so enjoyable... So piss off and find something else to thump your Bibles about.

well, according to the laws of nature, the reason orgasm is so enjoyable is because it is necessary to procreate. if reaching orgasm was painful, uncomfortable, or didn't feel THAT good at all, then why would we bother to procreate? only a few would, and then the population would shrink

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:10 pm

Hitman079 wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Not everyone has wet dreams, kids.... I think I have maybe had one in my entire life.

SO masturbation is better, because you are awake to enjoy it...

If God didn't believe that you should love yourself, he wouldn't have made it so enjoyable... So piss off and find something else to thump your Bibles about.
well, according to the laws of nature, the reason orgasm is so enjoyable is because it is necessary to procreate. if reaching orgasm was painful, uncomfortable, or didn't feel THAT good at all, then why would we bother to procreate? only a few would, and then the population would shrink

If you wish to try and argue that point, then here are some more...

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/ ... 319.x/abs/

http://menshealth.about.com/od/sexualhe ... ation5.htm

http://www.coolnurse.com/masturbation.htm

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV ... ation?Open

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