Unofficial Clan Ladder - Updated May 17th-2009

[jpcloet]

That was an easy review. Hardly any extra usergroups, looks like you have a very loyal bunch there.

[LFAW]

Lol yep. and yes we did renew a challenge with the 18 and unders

[waseemalim]

could we please update this in light of the Skyforce-Low challenge posted in the clan challenges thread?

Thanks

[rebelman]

good to see this going ahead as someone who suggested a similar ladder system some time again im glad to see some serious effors being made to make it happen, i also hope the clan leaders group works out well

[jpcloet]

could we please update this in light of the Skyforce-Low challenge posted in the clan challenges thread?

Thanks

I still have to update this for several challenges. Anytime a new challenge is thrown in, I have to find the date and sequence and requires me to re-evalutate points of all challenges after so it's a lot of work. If it's a new challenge, it's really easy.

[andre the giant]

So under the current ELO/clan ladder system... if WOTW ties LOD in the current clan war, , WOTW moves up in the ladder and LOD moves down because LOD had a higher ELO rating than WOTW? I can see how that might be fair later, when a bunch of clan wars have been played and you have a better statistical sample, as you've already said. But initially I guess it would cause some massive swings on the ladder. Not a big problem for me, just wanting to make sure I've got it right.

I'll be sure to tell the Warlords to step up to their A-game.

[andre the giant]

ELO is an awesome band, btw. "Evil Woman" is one of my favorite songs.

[jpcloet]

So under the current ELO/clan ladder system... if WOTW ties LOD in the current clan war, , WOTW moves up in the ladder and LOD moves down because LOD had a higher ELO rating than WOTW? I can see how that might be fair later, when a bunch of clan wars have been played and you have a better statistical sample, as you've already said. But initially I guess it would cause some massive swings on the ladder. Not a big problem for me, just wanting to make sure I've got it right.

I'll be sure to tell the Warlords to step up to their A-game.

Yes, LOD is expected to win, however, the movement on a tie at this point would be minimal though.

[jpcloet]

could we please update this in light of the Skyforce-Low challenge posted in the clan challenges thread?

Thanks

Updated for several challenges.

[hwhrhett]

could we please update this in light of the Skyforce-Low challenge posted in the clan challenges thread?

Thanks

Updated for several challenges.

ok question: if the imperial dragoons slaughter lod viciously in the current 60 game challenge, will lod move down on the ladder?

[jpcloet]

ok question: if the imperial dragoons slaughter lod viciously in the current 60 game challenge, will lod move down on the ladder?

Yes, under the current beat-down it is several spots. ID will create a bigger gap between them and 3rd place, but are a ways from catching THOTA.

[max is gr8]

I was recently trying to get a 3 way clan challenge going, how would this work with the ladder?

[hwhrhett]

I was recently trying to get a 3 way clan challenge going, how would this work with the ladder?

how would a 3-way challenge work in general?

[max is gr8]

You play X 3 teams doubles
X standards
X assassins
and if you wanted you could add terminators (but I'm not sure how points could be allocated for that

EDIT: you wouldn't be able to have triples or quads

[hwhrhett]

You play X 3 teams doubles
X standards
X assassins
and if you wanted you could add terminators (but I'm not sure how points could be allocated for that

EDIT: you wouldn't be able to have triples or quads

well preferably the # of games would be divisible by 20, but it techinically may have to be added as 3 seperate challenges for ease of input into the ladder. jpcloet would probably know definitively. it hadnt come up yet in discussions.

[max is gr8]

I've checked the website (wiki) and it doesn't say so maybe it can't be done

[jpcloet]

I've checked the website (wiki) and it doesn't say so maybe it can't be done

Interesting thought. Unless the winning team gets 2 victories and the other 2 clans each receives a loss. I don't think ELO was meant for that. Plus once you have more than 2 clans in a challenge, I think that should be considered a tournament, especially if there's a theme. I'm going to put a thread on this within the CLA. Be interesting also how you would measure the result between the losing clans as a tie/loss.

[jpcloet]

IMO, Clan wars should include singles, doubles, triples and quad games. How would you propose to do a 3 clan quad or triples game? I'm not even sure if 9 player trips or 12 player quads is likely to happen anytime soon. If they have to play in a round robin format, it sounds like a tournament.

[hwhrhett]

IMO, Clan wars should include singles, doubles, triples and quad games. How would you propose to do a 3 clan quad or triples game? I'm not even sure if 9 player trips or 12 player quads is likely to happen anytime soon. If they have to play in a round robin format, it sounds like a tournament.

but thats only your perception of a clan war, we need to make sure and not limit ourselves, not all clans like triples or quads, just because our clans do.

[max is gr8]

Did jpcloet read my post about there being 3 way doubles, assassin and singles? of course that could be extended to 4 clans and 8 clans if it only includes Singles games (i.e. assassin, terminator and standard)

There are many ways to define a challenge, if I challened you and hwhrhett to 10 matches would that officially become a tournament because there are 3 of us playing a series of games?

[hwhrhett]

Did jpcloet read my post about there being 3 way doubles, assassin and singles? of course that could be extended to 4 clans and 8 clans if it only includes Singles games (i.e. assassin, terminator and standard)

There are many ways to define a challenge, if I challened you and hwhrhett to 10 matches would that officially become a tournament because there are 3 of us playing a series of games?

this is gonna be discussed.

[jpcloet]

Great questions! I wouldn't approve a challenge for LOD with just one player, and if it came to that, I wouldn't be sending me right now

How would you define a clan war challenge? How many players minimum should be participating? What other criteria should be met?

[max is gr8]

Clan Duels are ones that involve 2 clans
Clan Wars are ones that involve 3+ clans

(War is a very loose term of course under traditional definition it would include duels)
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Maybe a minimum of 5 or 6 players for each clan involved.
Minimum of 10 games (So freemium forces can still be played)

Other criteria I don't really know, possibly it must have 2 types of games. e.g. Doubles and Triples, Quads and 1v1s, 1v1s and Singles (yes I would define these 2 as different)
Of course then the problem comes for squads that only play Quads or one specific type, so it's something that's hard to define

[hulmey]

I'd like to know how LoW moved above The Untouchables and how the Imperial Dragoons are also above this clan?

Consdiering LoW an Dragoons have only won 1 clan war and TUC have won 3

[jpcloet]

I'd like to know how LoW moved above The Untouchables and how the Imperial Dragoons are also above this clan?

Consdiering LoW an Dragoons have only won 1 clan war and TUC have won 3

The ladder includes the Teams Doubles League Results as well, as noted in the CLA forums. It was recently updated for several challenges. LOW beat Sky Force a while back and it was the margin of victory that has them 0.06 points ahead of TUC. I don't like re-evaluating all the points so hopefully all the know challenges are out there now. The TDL has the ID team beating TUC 10-6. I used all the data I could get.