Webcomics Mafia! Evil Prevails!

[pmchugh]

I will be a sup. With this group of players you will certainly need 1...

Oh I hope theirs a replacement so I can vote you for real.

[icedagger]

Vote mili as I haven't done so in a while

[AceArtemis]

So, I invite the cop to check me or ace1217. The confirm will do us good.

I agree with this. However, just because you two are lovers, doesn't mean one or both of you aren't mafia. It is entirely possible for one or both of you to be mafia.

Unless we find someone more suspicious to investigate, ace and nzen might be good choices for an investigation.

Unvote, because my vote was random, and Snorri received a temporary forum ban, so I don't want to keep my vote on him.

[Its Bolt]

So, I invite the cop to check me or ace1217. The confirm will do us good.

I agree with this. However, just because you two are lovers, doesn't mean one or both of you aren't mafia. It is entirely possible for one or both of you to be mafia.

Unless we find someone more suspicious to investigate, ace and nzen might be good choices for an investigation.

No, never direct investigations. Especially to a NK-target if they are town-town. I will bit my lip on the whole cop investigation though unless someone really wants to hear more indepth about my views on it.

@Nzen/ace - Are your alignments confirmed to eachother
@ace - Are you town aligned or neutral

On to more about the lyncher thing though.

We should seriously consider mass character claiming today. There should be little that can be gained from a character claim in a theme game for both sides if it is a well balanced game in that department so it should not out any roles. What it will likely do though is force the lyncher to either claim a role that makes sense as lyncher (mine works with flavor, leo/aeris works), or have them fakeclaim which might run the risk of claiming a role that someone else already has.

Ani should NOT character claim before we decide if this is a path we want to take or not.

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I havent played much here but from what I have seen the vote on me doesnt really fit in with the more logical playstyle group that I have you in then the impulsive playstyle group. Thoughts on the vig ani and massroleclaim ideas?

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it's only day one, a bad reason for voting is still more logical than the usual random voting. I suppose I'll unvote, though since it didn't seem like a lyncher vote. (still sounded slightly offensive though given the situation)
As for a mass name-claim, I'm not sure, our names are linked to our roles, so if scum is smart enough, they can easily not only forge claims (since the amount to choose from given the theme is massive anyways), but also they can connect the names to the most probable roles and target the people who seem to be power roles right off the bat.

[FloresDelMal]

i am leia princess unkillable

Joke?

Dead serious *smirk

ok in an even more serious business, unvote vote Bolt you're not only arrogant, but your circumvolute writing style proves that you're smart enough to know a mass claim is the most stupid idea to ever pop up with in day 1, not even ani does that anymore, therefore i find you very very scummy.

[ace1217]

@Nzen/ace - Are your alignments confirmed to eachother I don't know about nzen but I know my lovers alignment, yes.
@ace - Are you town aligned or neutral neutral I think.However, I am willing to help town.

[pmchugh]

unvote vote bolt for seriously supporting a mass claim on day frigging one.

[icedagger]

We should seriously consider mass character claiming today. There should be little that can be gained from a character claim in a theme game for both sides if it is a well balanced game in that department so it should not out any roles.

Right..

What it will likely do though is force the lyncher to either claim a role that makes sense as lyncher (mine works with flavor, leo/aeris works), or have them fakeclaim which might run the risk of claiming a role that someone else already has.

Wait what

it should not out any roles

What it will likely do though is force the lyncher to either claim a role that makes sense as lyncher...

Seriously? So the roles simultaneously work with flavour and give a good indication of your role, and yet don't out any roles. If something relatively obscure like a lyncher can be determined from your role, cops etc will be just as obvious. Honestly, it's a truly terrible idea

[ace1217]

We should seriously consider mass character claiming today. There should be little that can be gained from a character claim in a theme game for both sides if it is a well balanced game in that department so it should not out any roles.

Right..

What it will likely do though is force the lyncher to either claim a role that makes sense as lyncher (mine works with flavor, leo/aeris works), or have them fakeclaim which might run the risk of claiming a role that someone else already has.

Wait what

it should not out any roles

What it will likely do though is force the lyncher to either claim a role that makes sense as lyncher...

Seriously? So the roles simultaneously work with flavour and give a good indication of your role, and yet don't out any roles. If something relatively obscure like a lyncher can be determined from your role, cops etc will be just as obvious. Honestly, it's a truly terrible idea

Yeah I have to agree the logic on the character mass-claim is bad.

[militant]

Vote mili as I haven't done so in a while

And thats sufficent reason, is it?

[ace1217]

Vote mili as I haven't done so in a while

And thats sufficent reason, is it?

Not anymore since I can safely say we are out of the random stage.

[Its Bolt]

Swing and a miss on trying to make myself clear. I said CHARACTER claim not ROLE claim. That would be like ace just claiming to be Leo.

It is apparent that tied roles are tied through flavor, like we have Leo and Aires. Now by the same logic some role should be somewhat tied to ani. I wouldnt belive we have someone LFG as ani and then throw in someone from CAD as the lyncher. MM has already proven to be somewhat predictable in role relations and there is a way to hunt down an anti-town role from it.

From my role/flavor thing, I never even heard of the character I am before this game. After reading a few comics, what I does make sense, but it isnt necessarily the first guess I would of had for what I am. Also lots of people are confusing mass claim with mass character claim. People are also thinking that it will out all the PRs (somehow, I bet I could make a sufficent PR for any character if I knew what they all were) but who here though Aeris and Leo, lovers of course, by the same logic though it can out all the likely scum roles.

[pmchugh]

Swing and a miss on trying to make myself clear. I said CHARACTER claim not ROLE claim. That would be like ace just claiming to be Leo.

It is apparent that tied roles are tied through flavor, like we have Leo and Aires. Now by the same logic some role should be somewhat tied to ani. I wouldnt belive we have someone LFG as ani and then throw in someone from CAD as the lyncher. MM has already proven to be somewhat predictable in role relations and there is a way to hunt down an anti-town role from it.

From my role/flavor thing, I never even heard of the character I am before this game. After reading a few comics, what I does make sense, but it isnt necessarily the first guess I would of had for what I am. Also lots of people are confusing mass claim with mass character claim. People are also thinking that it will out all the PRs (somehow, I bet I could make a sufficent PR for any character if I knew what they all were) but who here though Aeris and Leo, lovers of course, by the same logic though it can out all the likely scum roles.

Seriously? So the roles simultaneously work with flavour and give a good indication of your role, and yet don't out any roles. If something relatively obscure like a lyncher can be determined from your role, cops etc will be just as obvious. Honestly, it's a truly terrible idea

More like swing and a home run.

[Its Bolt]

Now you are reaching. There are things that make sense as lyncher/lynchee combination and things that dont, the same things really cant do much to tell what is a PR and what isnt. I would greatly expect the lynchee/lyncher to be from the same comic, likely rivals too (Aeris lyncher Leo lynchee for example would of made sense). The same thing really cant be used to determine who the PRs are.

Seriously, there are protagonists in every strip that hypothetically could be a cop. How the hell does mafia determine which one makes the most sense? They dont, its not even guarenteed that the protagonists are town aligned or strong power roles. A character claim at worst will create some WIFOM for the mafia where they start trying to guess who is the right kill over what their role might be, instead of just killing the logical player.

Ani still is going to get vigged tonight though if we dont lynch the lyncher.

[sheepofdumb]

Basing my guess from my role some of these characters have a role you wouldn't guess the first time.

[animorpherv1]

whats a lynchee?

The person the lyncher tries to lynch

[icedagger]

Now you are reaching. There are things that make sense as lyncher/lynchee combination and things that dont, the same things really cant do much to tell what is a PR and what isnt. I would greatly expect the lynchee/lyncher to be from the same comic, likely rivals too (Aeris lyncher Leo lynchee for example would of made sense). The same thing really cant be used to determine who the PRs are.

Seriously, there are protagonists in every strip that hypothetically could be a cop. How the hell does mafia determine which one makes the most sense? They dont, its not even guarenteed that the protagonists are town aligned or strong power roles. A character claim at worst will create some WIFOM for the mafia where they start trying to guess who is the right kill over what their role might be, instead of just killing the logical player.

Ani still is going to get vigged tonight though if we dont lynch the lyncher.

Oh come on. I don't read webcomics but surely there's always gonna be characters that are much more likely to be a vig/cop/RB or whatever than others. While you have a point about the lyncher probably being outed if he's honest (which he won't be) I don't think we have a setup where character claims will tell us who a lyncher is and nothing else.

[nagerous]

Got the day off, so should actually get around to posting tomorrow

[Its Bolt]

Oh come on. I don't read webcomics but surely there's always gonna be characters that are much more likely to be a vig/cop/RB or whatever than others. While you have a point about the lyncher probably being outed if he's honest (which he won't be) I don't think we have a setup where character claims will tell us who a lyncher is and nothing else.

I read VGC, CAD and LFG on occasion and its hard to get any clear role guess on any character. Lovers is actually one of the last things I would of expected from Aeris/Leo tbh. If we force the lyncher to character claim though, they will either have to make an obscure name from the comic, or go for a different one. In each case we should be able to at least slightly determine who is lying about a name.

[AceArtemis]

I disagree with the mass name claim, based on the logic already presented here. That being said, what we really need to look at is how many of these characters' roles we would be able to guess, just off their names. Here's the wikipedia articles about the various comics. They have information about the characters in the comics, which can be used to guess the roles.

XKCD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xkcd

VG Cats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VG_Cats

Looking for Group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looking_for_Group

The Order of the Stick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order_of_the_Stick

Erfworld: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfworld

Ctrl+Alt+Del: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ctrl%2BAlt%2BDel

Grim Tales From Down Below: http://www.comixpedia.org/index.php?title=Grim_Tales

[sheepofdumb]

Oh come on. I don't read webcomics but surely there's always gonna be characters that are much more likely to be a vig/cop/RB or whatever than others. While you have a point about the lyncher probably being outed if he's honest (which he won't be) I don't think we have a setup where character claims will tell us who a lyncher is and nothing else.

I read VGC, CAD and LFG on occasion and its hard to get any clear role guess on any character. Lovers is actually one of the last things I would of expected from Aeris/Leo tbh. If we force the lyncher to character claim though, they will either have to make an obscure name from the comic, or go for a different one. In each case we should be able to at least slightly determine who is lying about a name.

Well I would agree with you but I'm in the same boat with my role. Aeris I believe has killed Leo on a few occasions, I don't think they are lovers.

I read VGC LFG seen a bit of XKCD and have been reading OotS.

[Its Bolt]

At the very least ani should claim what comic he is from.

[FloresDelMal]

why bolt is still far away from L-1??? flood us 400 times with the same bad idea, doesnt make it less bad than the first time, this is so ridiculous that make my eyes hurt, i dont see a single reason for allow bolt get away with his circular logic

[Its Bolt]

why bolt is still far away from L-1??? flood us 400 times with the same bad idea, doesnt make it less bad than the first time, this is so ridiculous that make my eyes hurt, i dont see a single reason for allow bolt get away with his circular logic

Someone isnt reading my posts about ani close enough or is just really dense for still pushing my lynch. I think both.

Why is a nameclaim bad? Do you really think all PRs are going to be obvious after one?

In fact you know, due to a disturbing lack of vote counts and having no idea where I am vote wise, im just going to claim.

Im "Bunnywith", a JOAT (Jack of all Trades). I have one shot kill, investigate, rb and protect. Planning on vigging ani tonight unless we lynch the lyncher.