Wanda Sykes...

[jbrettlip]

Bush did a lot for Africa in terms of aid and medicine.

Back on topic, who cares? Limbaugh and Sykes are entertainers. THey say things to get attention. These are jokes. I can take issue with most of what Obama has said and done as president, but laughing at a joke is not a big deal. especially in the context of the dinner.

What about the dinner before the election, when Obama and McCain made fun of themselves, each other, the Clintons etc? Those were two great speeches.

[mpjh]

You must be white.

I must be? What gave you that impression?

It is mostly white people that say "I am not racist, unless you prove I am." Those who experience racism each day know better.

[Nobunaga]

You must be white.

I must be? What gave you that impression?

It is mostly white people that say "I am not racist, unless you prove I am." Those who experience racism each day know better.

... You throw that out here, "Bush is a racist", and have zeo, nada, nothing whatsoever to back that up.

... Anybody else notice how race is ALWAYS brought up by the left as a means to malign just about anybody they dislike / disagree with. They'll twist and make contort any issue, slap a race tag on it, and squeeze it into an argument. If you're white, you're a racist, period. Unless you prove yourself otherwise (like channeling billions in AIDS relief to Africa... wait, that was Bush).

...

[b.k. barunt]

You must be white.

I must be? What gave you that impression?

It is mostly white people that say "I am not racist, unless you prove I am." Those who experience racism each day know better.

... You throw that out here, "Bush is a racist", and have zeo, nada, nothing whatsoever to back that up.

... Anybody else notice how race is ALWAYS brought up by the left as a means to malign just about anybody they dislike / disagree with. They'll twist and make contort any issue, slap a race tag on it, and squeeze it into an argument. If you're white, you're a racist, period. Unless you prove yourself otherwise (like channeling billions in AIDS relief to Africa... wait, that was Bush).

...

I got something to back it up. Your political savvy is usually dead on, so you must have actually liked that phoneyTexasaccent cheesewanker for your judgement to be so cloudy here.

If you or anyone else need backup on the racist tendencies of that cowardly rat bastard, you must have missed hurricane Katrina. It took this nation a fooking week to get food and water to the poor black population in New Orleans. Men, women and children packed into the superdome with no bathroom facilities, no food and little water. Men women and children wandering on the open interstate blacktop in the Louisiana summer heat with virtually no food and little water for five fooking days!

I live across the lake from New Orleans, and no one around here has the slightest doubts as to Bush and Chaney's racist tendencies. I know republicans usually hate watching any non-conservative films, but take a look at Spike Lee's "The Day the Levees Broke". Strangely enough, the white population did ok, probably because the only police to be found were on the Mississippi Bridge, the Causeway Bridge, and a couple points on the parish line manning armed barricades that kept the negroes contained in New Orleans and out of the white folks hoods.

And please don't give me the usual crap about how it was all the fault of local politicians - it was a federal fucking disaster.


Honibaz

[Nobunaga]

You must be white.

I must be? What gave you that impression?

It is mostly white people that say "I am not racist, unless you prove I am." Those who experience racism each day know better.

... You throw that out here, "Bush is a racist", and have zeo, nada, nothing whatsoever to back that up.

... Anybody else notice how race is ALWAYS brought up by the left as a means to malign just about anybody they dislike / disagree with. They'll twist and make contort any issue, slap a race tag on it, and squeeze it into an argument. If you're white, you're a racist, period. Unless you prove yourself otherwise (like channeling billions in AIDS relief to Africa... wait, that was Bush).

...

I got something to back it up. Your political savvy is usually dead on, so you must have actually liked that phoneyTexasaccent cheesewanker for your judgement to be so cloudy here.

If you or anyone else need backup on the racist tendencies of that cowardly rat bastard, you must have missed hurricane Katrina. It took this nation a fooking week to get food and water to the poor black population in New Orleans. Men, women and children packed into the superdome with no bathroom facilities, no food and little water. Men women and children wandering on the open interstate blacktop in the Louisiana summer heat with virtually no food and little water for five fooking days!

I live across the lake from New Orleans, and no one around here has the slightest doubts as to Bush and Chaney's racist tendencies. I know republicans usually hate watching any non-conservative films, but take a look at Spike Lee's "The Day the Levees Broke". Strangely enough, the white population did ok, probably because the only police to be found were on the Mississippi Bridge, the Causeway Bridge, and a couple points on the parish line manning armed barricades that kept the negroes contained in New Orleans and out of the white folks hoods.

And please don't give me the usual crap about how it was all the fault of local politicians - it was a federal fucking disaster.


Honibaz

... Kitrina was a Federal disaster but I am not so ready to classify that ineptness as being based on race. Lack of preparedness, lack of understanding, lack of coordination... we saw all that, but I would hesitate to start throwing the race word around.

... I actually disliked Bush and his crew rather much. RINOs through and through.

...

[thegreekdog]

You must be white.

I must be? What gave you that impression?

It is mostly white people that say "I am not racist, unless you prove I am." Those who experience racism each day know better.

So has it been your experience that everyone is rascist unless they prove that they are not? Do you assume that everyone that is white is rascist vis-a-vis blacks?

I feel I have to say this too - I'm not being sarcastic; I'm just trying to figure it out, the questions are genuine.

[thegreekdog]

Strangely enough, the white population did ok, probably because the only police to be found were on the Mississippi Bridge, the Causeway Bridge, and a couple points on the parish line manning armed barricades that kept the negroes contained in New Orleans and out of the white folks hoods.

Wow... that's freaking nuts. Why didn't the police let everyone into the safe spots? You'd think the police wouldn't barricade hungry, thirsty people whose homes were just washed away. I don't think there's enough of an outcry about that shit.

Honibaz, were you there when the levee broke? What was it like where you were?

[SultanOfSurreal]

I got something to back it up. Your political savvy is usually dead on, so you must have actually liked that phoneyTexasaccent cheesewanker for your judgement to be so cloudy here.

If you or anyone else need backup on the racist tendencies of that cowardly rat bastard, you must have missed hurricane Katrina. It took this nation a fooking week to get food and water to the poor black population in New Orleans. Men, women and children packed into the superdome with no bathroom facilities, no food and little water. Men women and children wandering on the open interstate blacktop in the Louisiana summer heat with virtually no food and little water for five fooking days!

I live across the lake from New Orleans, and no one around here has the slightest doubts as to Bush and Chaney's racist tendencies. I know republicans usually hate watching any non-conservative films, but take a look at Spike Lee's "The Day the Levees Broke". Strangely enough, the white population did ok, probably because the only police to be found were on the Mississippi Bridge, the Causeway Bridge, and a couple points on the parish line manning armed barricades that kept the negroes contained in New Orleans and out of the white folks hoods.

And please don't give me the usual crap about how it was all the fault of local politicians - it was a federal fucking disaster.


Honibaz

holy shit did i just fall into the negaverse, where you are capable of holding a correct opinion

quickpoll: do hamburgers eat people now?

[thegreekdog]

holy shit did i just fall into the negaverse, where you are capable of holding a correct opinion

quickpoll: do hamburgers eat people now?

Unlike most, Honibaz doesn't let others do his thinking for him.

[SultanOfSurreal]

holy shit did i just fall into the negaverse, where you are capable of holding a correct opinion

quickpoll: do hamburgers eat people now?

Unlike most, Honibaz doesn't let others do his thinking for him.

and since when do i

[thegreekdog]

and since when do i

I'm not sure. I was not referring to you in any event. Believe it or not, I don't really like attacking people for no reason.

I'm simply defending Honibaz because the dude thinks for himself, so you can't lump him in with the "all you conservatives" or "all you liberals."

[SultanOfSurreal]

and since when do i

I'm not sure. I was not referring to you in any event. Believe it or not, I don't really like attacking people for no reason.

now come on, i only attack people when they are incorrect

it is not my fault that there is a lot of incorrectness around here

[GabonX]

You guys are letting Kanye West do your thinking for you!

You are not looking hard enough.

No, you're full of shit.

You frequently make claims and don't even try to back them up with anything.

The argument that the Katrina debacle proves Bush is racist, in light of the fact that he instated people of multiple ethnicities to positions of tantamount national importance, is fundamentally flawed.

We know the man was inept. When he was informed that the nation was under attack on 9/11 he continued reading story books to school children. The delayed response to Katrina is actually in character with his general lack of competence and is not indicative of racism.

In fact we know he was not racist because of political appointments.

Regardless of all of this, this debate started when lgoasklucyl said:

And George Bush, if you want to play the 'omg but he's the preeeeesident card', has had his VERY fair share of idiotic, racist, and insensitive quotes.

The claim was that Bush has a history of making racist comments. There has yet to be a reference to one racist comment he has made.

Regardless, his political appointments speak volumes as to how the man was not racist.

[GabonX]

and since when do i

I'm not sure. I was not referring to you in any event. Believe it or not, I don't really like attacking people for no reason.

now come on, i only attack people when they are incorrect

it is not my fault that there is a lot of incorrectness around here

Stop hitting yourself!

In all seriousness though, your ad-hominem attacks indicate that your position on the issues is actually quite weak.

[SultanOfSurreal]

and since when do i

I'm not sure. I was not referring to you in any event. Believe it or not, I don't really like attacking people for no reason.

now come on, i only attack people when they are incorrect

it is not my fault that there is a lot of incorrectness around here

Stop hitting yourself!

In all seriousness though, your ad-hominem attacks indicate that your position on the issues is actually quite weak.

you don't know what an ad hominem attack is

also you are stupid

[GabonX]

you don't know what an ad hominem attack is

also you are stupid

The underlined portion, like most of your "attacks," is an example of ad-hominem attack.

Also.....Y0OOOOOUUUUUUUURRRREEEEEEE SSSSSSTTTTTTTTTUUUUUUPPPPPIIIIIIIDDDDDD!!!!!!!

[thegreekdog]

C'mon Gabon, Sultan likes to get all riled up about this stuff. In his mind, he's not winning if he's not attacking someone's character or intelligence. In fact, I wasn't even attacking him and he's defending himself. I'm simply stating that Honibaz thinks for himself, which I admire. Sultan got it into his head that I was implying that Sultan does not think for himself and then Sultan thought I'm making fun of him for attacking people. I'm not; I'm not that cynical or that much of an asshole (on purpose anyway).

[GabonX]

Is it BK or Honibaz?

Either way, he does think for himself, and he's come to some impressive conclusions, but I can't help but think that he's crazy based on some of his other posts.

[SultanOfSurreal]

you don't know what an ad hominem attack is

also you are stupid

The underlined portion, like most of your "attacks," is an example of ad-hominem attack.

no it isn't

and you're still stupid

[GabonX]

lol, ok

What exactly is your understanding of ad hominem?

Mine is in sync with the general consensus that an ad hominem attack is when some one tries to discredit the person who is making an argument rather than addressing the actual argument.

That seems to be about all you do here. You don't really make points on the issues.

[SultanOfSurreal]

That seems to be about all you do here. You don't really make points on the issues.

sure i do

but anyway, maybe you should read around a bit about what constitutes an ad hominem fallacy before pretending you're some sort of master of debate

tia

[GabonX]

That seems to be about all you do here. You don't really make points on the issues.

sure i do

but anyway, maybe you should read around a bit about what constitutes an ad hominem fallacy before pretending you're some sort of master of debate

tia

And once again you attack my credibility instead of pointing out any kind of flaw in my debate

[SultanOfSurreal]

That seems to be about all you do here. You don't really make points on the issues.

sure i do

but anyway, maybe you should read around a bit about what constitutes an ad hominem fallacy before pretending you're some sort of master of debate

tia

And once again you attack my credibility instead of pointing out any kind of flaw in my debate

no i very much did point out a flaw in your argument. the flaw is that you don't know what an ad hominem attack is

ps you are so fucking dumb

[GabonX]

You're argument is fundamentally flawed as I do know what an ad-hominem attack is and have described it accurately. You can claim that I do not know what it is but until you demonstrate that it means something else (which is impossible because I'm right ) the intelligent members of this forum can disregard anything and everything you have to say on this matter.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the source making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[MaleAlphaThree]

People is dumb. I don't know what people. But people is sure dumb.


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