New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

Selin · Post by **Selin** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:03 pm

Correction to my above post:

it was ML not MM, who i agree with

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wicked · Post by **wicked** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:12 pm

No offense, but I'd rather have the doc protect me tonight, not IC if we don't lynch him, purely for selfish reasons and also b/c I don't think IC's telling the truth.

Selin · Post by **Selin** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:13 pm

AK_iceman wrote:
moz976 wrote:
AK_iceman wrote: ML, that doesn't really make a lot of sense. You can most assuredly learn more by keeping me alive and letting me investigate players. Killing the cop on Day 1 won't help you. Moz, exile... I am not 100% sure they are scum. But they're a better bet than me at this point.
That is only the case if we believe your claim of cop. I for one do not. First you lied to the town and claimed to have information that was false and then when that backfired on you, you came up with the cop claim.
Then when claimed Han Solo I knew you were again lying and misleading the town.

You have lied to the town AK and your lynch will prove my insights to be true.
Moz, I think I already explained why I faked a claim/investigation. It was never meant to kill wicked, or reveal any pro-town roles. The plan backfired a little, but that doesn't mean it didn't work.
And the reason I claimed cop is because I thought you had dropped the hammer on me. Mandy would have announced it anyway, so why not tell you in advance so you can discuss your options for the night and the following day?

Anyway, I think the majority of players will agree that killing a cop is bad for the town. But yet again you surprise me with your logic.

one more thing which I wanted to emphasize again:

AK,

first you posted a vote count which was not usual, and actually a wrong one
about 40 minutes later than moz voted you
about 15 minutes later you claimed to be cop
than others started to unvote you
than suddenly it was realised that you made a miscount and you were not lynched actually

I highly suspect that you made a miscount on purpose, with the aim of roleclaiming a cop later, so that at least some of the players will unvote you very quickly!

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firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:20 pm

i was just gonna say that selin

maybe a ploy between moz and IC? that went wrong
or maybe just IC where he claims cop etc.(what selin said)

but also AK plays this game with a whole new strategy saying he is 100% sure someone is scum and that he doesnt expect them to be lynched? says he wanted to see the bandwagoners (just like wicked did?) but the only way wicked can get out is to roleclaim. therefore he has forced a roleclaim which we have been told is bad for the town.

jnd94 · Post by **jnd94** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:22 pm

alright, I have some points I'd like to press. Firstly, FOS to all who give the excuse of not being able to post because everytime they log on, they are tons of pages. Everyone here knows how to read, and everyone should be able to understand basic mafia points people are making. No excuse for skimming. Also, FOS Skittles becuase his past 2 posts (of my recollection) have been like this: Ugh, 20 more pages! Im gonna have to re-read, but vote- soandso so that I have a vote. Also, FOS Fircoal. He has barely spoken this game. Usually he talk a lot, but since AK's claim, he hasnt said 1 thing.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:26 pm

Forgot to put my Unvote in blue.

VOTE: Fircoal He's disappeared. And MM, quit goofing off, or you'll start getting compared to NES.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:27 pm

The only question I have for you guys is why would Iceman want to off Wicked knowing full well that he would be lynched the next day when it blew up in his face. That is a noob tactic as a scum for wicked is not a good trade off for the scum (no offence to wicked

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The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:28 pm

I can think of several possibilities but the first is that he's a mafia bomb and/or terrorist.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:29 pm

well i am going for to sleep so dont post around 20 pages because i really dont like reading that much.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:30 pm

I think IC just assumed I was a likely choice for scum, so thought he'd put me on the hot seat. He's got a 50/50 chance of being right, so why not? he'd then be golden in the town's eyes and could skate through the game.

While his words may be believable, his actions scream scum. My vote's not changing.

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:30 pm

The1exile wrote:I can think of several possibilities but the first is that he's a mafia bomb and/or terrorist.

The only problem with that theory is that he now is defending himself as if he wants to live.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:39 pm

Syzygy wrote:
The1exile wrote:I can think of several possibilities but the first is that he's a mafia bomb and/or terrorist.
The only problem with that theory is that he now is defending himself as if he wants to live.

Yeah. I don't buy it, I'm just saying that if I were scum (especially if the scum had a doc and/or GF) it'd be a better tactic - nag suggesting that "why would he do that?" isn't a question that can be answered in a scummy manner is simply a wrong assumption.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:40 pm

Syzygy wrote:
The1exile wrote:I can think of several possibilities but the first is that he's a mafia bomb and/or terrorist.
The only problem with that theory is that he now is defending himself as if he wants to live.

Not really. I am sure AK knows that a bomb would be much better used later in game than on first day against a random target. If he is in fact a bomb, he had no clues about Wicked's role.

So I doubt that's the case.

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:45 pm

AK_iceman wrote:
MountainLion wrote:AK you may have tried to attempt a bit of a crazy strategy for the good side, but I think the bottom line is that you are connected to wicked, Moz, and exile with many players having stated an opinion on you one way or the other. Whether you are Han Solo or not, on the good side, independent or whatever....I think we can simply learn the most information by your death. More information, less confusion.

my vote stands.
ML, that doesn't really make a lot of sense. You can most assuredly learn more by keeping me alive and letting me investigate players. Killing the cop on Day 1 won't help you. Moz, exile... I am not 100% sure they are scum. But they're a better bet than me at this point.

True, I would never want to lynch a cop on Day 1, but I don't believe Han Solo could be a cop.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:47 pm

Woohoo finally done! Now I need to go get drunk and forget all that shit. Well, maybe some posting first won't hurt.
Jnd, you might be referring to me instead of Skittles for the 20 more pages things but I was actually rereading contrary to the submariners, off the top of my head: Skittles, Life Saver, Fir a bit, LSU (strangely silent)...
Anyway, to serious business.

Ok Exile, because I browsed everything and the only thing I found was actually in the day 1 scene:

mandalorian2298 wrote:The Jedi, led by Luke Skywalker, found themselves stumped by their own inability to sense the Yuuzhan Vong in the Force. Using this advantage, as well as their amazing ooglith masquers, Yuuzhan Vong agents menaged to infiltrate every branche of the New Republic society, government and armed forces.

There is also a reference to their ability to fake identities in one of the previous games you mentionned:

mandalorian2298 wrote:Litlle do they know that an even darke threat has just entered the galaxy - the warrior race of Yuzhaan Vong! Appart from being numerus and merciless, they have another trick up their sleave: they can't be felt through the Force! Also, vile aliens are using ooglith masquers, organic devices capable of giving the user human apperance.

That said, I don't have a clue as to what the hell is an ogling mask but it seems like the Yuzhan dong scum have fake identities (ie available fake roleclaims).
The problem I see now is, since it doesn't seem Mandy spelt it out everywhere, I don't know if you know it because you're scum and slipped up, or you were having a moment of brilliant insight. I'm a bit more doubtful of the later at this point

Now, about the whole Ak-Moz thing. In his rules, the man said:

mandalorian2298 wrote:Historicaly speaking....
You are creating history not repating it. Nothing is fixed. Trust no one.

Let's think about it for a minute. How long Ak made us wait before he came up with the whole bandwagon plan. Then threw his name like a bone at us. And claimed cop after he was supposedly hammered. He did well, and got the majority of us believing blindly.
Now, I'm inclined to think the theory that he perfectly knew he wasn't hammered is the correct one. Cop just doesn't seem to sit right with the setting, and more importantly certainly doesn't sit right with the whole "I faked claimed for wagon info" strategy.
His first claim:

AK_iceman wrote:I had a 1 time use investigation which I could use whenever I wanted. I didn't want to use it Day 1, but I wanted to know if I could trust wicked during the game. So after a couple questionable posts, I sent in the request. Mandy confirmed that wicked is scum.

I don't mind claiming now, because I no longer have any power. If the mafia decide to night-kill me now, it'll be no big loss. It is possible wicked has a role similar to a miller, but that's a minority. Either way, my vote ain't changing unless someone can provide better proof that they discovered a mafia.

My guess is you didn't know you'd have to claim cop afterwards

AK_iceman wrote:Actually, moz's vote won't count because he didn't unvote pancakemix yet.

Look at that, a free roleclaim for you all.

The timing is as Selin said. So convenient.
Frankly, I'd have bought it if it wasn't for Moz' claim. AK screwed up big time and struggled to get our trust back, but Moz had everything to lose with his claim. The fact he did it when there wasn't a wagon on him makes me think he is honest and did it to open our eyes.

Finally, about Nag's argument of why would he do it if he were scum; well if he's third party as Moz said he might have a bigger interest in it. And more importantly, why on earth would he do that as a cop? That's a bigger question IMO. All in all, there's too many things to distrust about AK.

Unvote Vote AK

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:55 pm

freezie wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
The1exile wrote:I can think of several possibilities but the first is that he's a mafia bomb and/or terrorist.
The only problem with that theory is that he now is defending himself as if he wants to live.

Not really. I am sure AK knows that a bomb would be much better used later in game than on first day against a random target. If he is in fact a bomb, he had no clues about Wicked's role.

So I doubt that's the case.

If he could get daytime info like moz claimed, he might have known my role when he tried that stunt.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:18 pm

indeed it seems as more things are being reviewd that there were quite a number of slips by AK...so as a result

unvote, Vote Ak

the evidence presented in the last few pages seems to be enough at this point.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:30 pm

VOTE COUNT

Moz(2) - jnd, LSU,
Wicked(1) - Serbia,
Kwanton(0)
AK Iceman(10) - Wicked, Neutrino, Talapus, Firth, Koesen, Moz, M Lion, Selin, Ga7, Tonka
Minister Masket(1) - Aegnor
Life-saver(0) -
Jnd(0) -
Freezie(0)
Fircoal (2) - Life-saver, Fircoal
Nagerus (0) -
Aegnor (0)
Exile(3) - AK, Skittles, Freezie
Ga7(0)
LSU(1) - Skoffin
Pancake(0) -
Aimless(1) - MM
Talapus(0)
Mauntain Lion(0)
Anarkistsdream(1) - Trestain,
Trestain(1) - Nark

It takes 16 votes to lynch.

I am goint to go to sleep soon. After I go away, you can count on next Vote Count to be posted no later the 17.15 GMT

On the fake roles matter, come to think, it is possible that I have discussed possible twists for this game (including the possibility of fake roles), 3 months ago when I made the two RTs. I really don't remember.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:46 pm

Fine fine...

Vote: Iceman

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:23 pm

Selin wrote:
one more thing which I wanted to emphasize again:

AK,

first you posted a vote count which was not usual, and actually a wrong one
about 40 minutes later than moz voted you
about 15 minutes later you claimed to be cop
than others started to unvote you
than suddenly it was realised that you made a miscount and you were not lynched actually

I highly suspect that you made a miscount on purpose, with the aim of roleclaiming a cop later, so that at least some of the players will unvote you very quickly!

.

This is a very good point. It could easily have been that the endless delays were actually AK waiting until mandy went to sleep, so there was no-one to provide an official votecount.

I'm starting to become more than a little suspiscous of nagerous. He is constantly insisting that we should keep someone who made a 'fake' bandwagon, when this backfired he admitted his initial roleclaim was a lie and then (eventually) provided us with another one, no more trustworthy than the first.

His claim of Han Solo was also odd. Han Solo was a pretty major character in the movies, so it wouldn't take a huge amount of SW knowledge to pick his name out. Also, Han Solo really dosen't strike me as a cop type character. Freelance or third-party, maybe, but certainly not a cop.

FOS Nagerous

As for moz: I'm starting to see your claim as a bit more solid. Although getting one of the two people who roleclaimed on day 1 is pretty unlikely, there is also the possibility that mandy gave you that hint specifically so tht the Cult's growth can be curtailed early; before it reaches critical mass.

0ojakeo0 · Post by **0ojakeo0** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:24 pm

isnt it obvious wicked is leading a bandwagon against her scum partner but then wen she is asked due to this post she claims day cop and ak gets a townie to claim eventually leadin to the towns doom and wen it appears she will win a late vig kil comes in saving the day nailing the scum? just a thought

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:26 pm

0ojakeo0 wrote:isnt it obvious wicked is leading a bandwagon against her scum partner but then wen she is asked due to this post she claims day cop and ak gets a townie to claim eventually leadin to the towns doom and wen it appears she will win a late vig kil comes in saving the day nailing the scum? just a thought

that is one confused individual.

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:30 pm

nah, it's just jake.

0ojakeo0 · Post by **0ojakeo0** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:31 pm

wicked wrote:
0ojakeo0 wrote:isnt it obvious wicked is leading a bandwagon against her scum partner but then wen she is asked due to this post she claims day cop and ak gets a townie to claim eventually leadin to the towns doom and wen it appears she will win a late vig kil comes in saving the day nailing the scum? just a thought

that is one confused individual.

so u dont deny CUMBUCKET

0ojakeo0 · Post by **0ojakeo0** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:32 pm

ill stop posting now