***Finn Rock Fallout*** -- Game Over ~ Infected Win

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:10 am

autoload wrote:Dammit. A part of me still can't go through with the No lynch.

Unvote: No Lynch

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No Lynch is LITERALLY suicide. and the cop should know that! no?

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:13 am

Yes, but I believe there is a chance I might be a variant of the basic cop. We will see what some of the others like Machiavelli and broomhead have to say.

dussle · Post by **dussle** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:04 pm

wicked wrote:Dussle, how do you know this information??? Also, I never saw where you posted your name and occupation, can you give that to us please? I may have missed it in all these pages!

dussle wrote:I reallly don't know what to think of this one. I think the infected people know they're infected because:
1. They're the "mafia" and they choose who to infect next.
2. They took the vaccine.

As for peopl ho are infected by the mafia, the disease would be rather obvious, I think. Even if it was a delayed onset, the person would look lke he was dying.

One question: does Andy normaly put if someone is saved?

(and later)

.... I think the CHI might know it its a nasty looking disease.

No, a dumb presumption, and an untrue one. Just look at what Ady says, it isnt obviosu until death.

trestain · Post by **trestain** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:15 pm

oh my god,20 more pages to read today and i still think we need to lynch someone and it has to be AK_Iceman or Autoload. We need to find out if autoload is telling the truth so for that reason my vote will remain.

One question though would we find out Autoload's full roll if we lynch him? because if we can 't be sure that we will know the full cop roll from lynching autoload then we HAVE to lynch AK surely.

supercram · Post by **supercram** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:43 pm

HoussamTheGreat wrote:
autoload wrote:Dammit. A part of me still can't go through with the No lynch.

Unvote: No Lynch
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No Lynch is LITERALLY suicide. and the cop should know that! no?

VOTE wicked

i agree she changed from no lynch (which she was such a staunch supporter) to "let's lynch teh cop at least it will unlock a role.

dussle · Post by **dussle** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:51 pm

Unvote AK_Iceman

He seems clear for a while.

dussle · Post by **dussle** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:53 pm

I still stand by the theory that we need to lynch someone for info and that it should be AK, what are we waiting for?

supercram · Post by **supercram** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:57 pm

REASON 1: old wicked...

wicked wrote:oh yeah, I found your math to be misleading anyway. think about it, sure the odds of getting a mafia increase the less townies we have, as there's a lower percentage of townies! duh! but that's not what we want!

new wicked...

wicked wrote:losing a cop in previous games has typically unlocked another role. if we can't trust the cop (is he insane or not?), chances are we could trust the locked role. It may just be someone with a cure!

REASON 2: also there is the whole: "Use the cop to investigate me!" and this is a classic bluff for mafia. also how can the cop investigate you if you are suggesting it would be useful to kill him above in REASON 1.

REASON 3: Houssam says she's acting naive and i do not know why, but i trust what he is saying.

It just doesn't feel right. I'll wait for more.

supercram · Post by **supercram** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:01 pm

autoload wrote:OK, I'm thinking to myself, if AK and the Rev are mafia falsely claiming mason why are the real Masons not counter claiming?

what if there are 2 groups of masons in this game? what if wicked and houssam are masons and they come forward, and that doesn't refute anything IC and Kyle have been saying?

dussle · Post by **dussle** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:04 pm

What if there are no masons? Too many possibilities, here.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:11 pm

Vote Count

[3] AK_iceman -- (Mach, Trestain, Wicked)
[3] Autoload -- (Master Bush, Reverend_kyle, Freetymes)
[2] Wicked -- (Houssam, Supercram)
[3] No Lynch -- (Backglass, Xenhu, AK_iceman)
Not Voting, Everyone Else

9 Total Votes are needed for a Lynch or No Lynch

--Andy

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:17 pm

Day Deadline: January 14th, 2006, 6:45 PM EST.

Around 30 hours to finish up voting.

--Andy

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:38 pm

I think there are two sets of masons and both are telling the truth. This is my assumption only based on what was read, and I won't explain it further unless the 2nd set comes forward. I also think the 2nd set may be linked so that if one dies, they both die. These are all my assumptions based on reading about mafia game roles, nothing else.

Yes, I've flip-flopped! But so have you Cram, and others, and much more than me! The people who are talking and trying to work through this openly are going to flip-flop as new evidence comes forward. No one should be so close-minded in this game that they don't change their mind.... unless they're mafia.

Houssam didn't have info about a baby, I did. That is fundamentally different, not just a mixup of where a person happened to be located. He has also only played one mafia game with me previous to this, and in it I was mafia. Stands to reason I'd be acting differently, correct? Houssam has stayed in the background and only come out to point suspicion at me, and from that he has not wavered. Does not sound like a confused townie to me. And why were you asking the baby's name Houssam, if you didn't have the baby in your role? And also joking about the baby.

VOTE HOUSSAM

And I have the prerogative to change my mind on that too! After all, I am female (IRL) and a confused as hell townie! lol

Master Bush · Post by **Master Bush** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:39 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Vote Count

[3] AK_iceman -- (Mach, Trestain, Wicked)

[3] Autoload -- (Master Bush, Reverend_kyle, Freetymes)

[2] Wicked -- (Houssam, Supercram)

[3] No Lynch -- (Backglass, Xenhu, AK_iceman)

Not Voting, Everyone Else
9 Total Votes are needed for a Lynch or No Lynch

--Andy

This has to be a joke! After 50+ pages we have 2 players with 3 votes, 1 player with 2 votes and 3 players with a no lynch vote and 5 players who have yet to vote at all. This will be a hang jury, and we will slowly lose the numbers we have.

In order for us to win this game, we must lynch either AK OR AUTOLOAD. If we dont, we will have the same problem and confusion during the next 4 days of DAY 2.

Master Bush · Post by **Master Bush** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:41 pm

Correction:

we now have 1 players with 3 votes, 2 player with 2 votes 1 player with 1 vote 3 players with a no lynch vote and 5 players who haven't voted at all.

trestain · Post by **trestain** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:51 pm

Master Bush wrote:
In order for us to win this game, we must lynch either AK OR AUTOLOAD. If we dont, we will have the same problem and confusion during the next 4 days of DAY 2.

I agree!!!

And wicked, right back to voting houssam, you were the no lynch leader when AK was close to being lynched

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:53 pm

Also, to address the whole "investigate me" issue. Mind you, if I was mafia, I'd just let this slide and wouldn't bring it up, as it makes me look bad and causes more suspicion.

There are two people who could comfortably ask to be investigated (provided no insane cop!),

1.) A townie
2.) Mafia with godfather role (appears innocent when investigated)

I have played both roles, and asked to be investigated in both roles!! So honestly, that doesn't help you any...lol. Although I wouldn't be forthcoming with this information if I had wanted people to forget about the previous godfather role.

I realized as I wrote that, it all comes down to, can we trust the cop. I still believe a no lynch could help there, unless we're solid about who's mafia. I thought I had found solid info about IC & RK, but even as I was typing that up, how IC has been playing just doesn't make sense for a mafia. And I think they explained it satisfactorily for now, well IC did, RK still is acting weird, but he may just have killed too many brain cells lately...lol. So anyway, Houssam still appears very suspicious to me, but I'd be willing to lynch him at a later date if someone comes up with a good plan to figure out the cop thing w/o possibly losing a good townie. My vote will stand for now though, so I don't "flip-flop"!

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:57 pm

trestain, I was the no lynch leader b/c of the can we trust the cop issue, not because it happened to be IC. I'm sure it got lost in the pages, but I also voted to lynch IC with what I thought was damning evidence after others were already dropping their votes for him and he was no longer in danger.

supercram · Post by **supercram** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:03 pm

on flip-flopping:
when i play this game IRL, one person has to accuse someone and another has to second the accusation before there is a vote. i keep using my vote as like a seconding. it mounts pressure for someone to have to defend themselves. one vote is almost ignorable, but two gets something going.

you can often only find out what you need to find out when someone's back is against the wall.

so i will not apologize for flip-flopping my vote because at least i am being active and trying to hold people's feet to the fire.

it's very hard for me to keep suspecting wicked when i keep agreeing with her.

IC seems like he is telling the truth
Kyle seems funny, but can be otherwise explained

i don't know what to think about this. unfortunately if wicked is mafia, then i am a dead man.

wicked i know what you are referring to in your last post regarding the wikipedia article. i was thinking that for IC/Kyle. it sort of explains their weirdness. i do not think the role name is meant to be taken LITERALLY, or else they are faking it.

UNVOTE wicked

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:10 pm

OK I just read the "30 hours to go" message from Andy and realize there's no way I'll get support for a Houssam vote at this late venture, and I don't want to further confuse the issue. So while I'm still pretty sure he's guilty, well as sure as anyone can be in this game, I'm going to unvote him for now as he hasn't talked enough for there to be enough evidence against him (convenient, eh?). It'll be easier to lynch him at a later date. So back to what I've thought all along...

UNVOTE HOUSSAM
VOTE NO LYNCH

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:13 pm

Vote Count

[2] AK_iceman -- (Mach, Trestain)
[3] Autoload -- (Master Bush, Reverend_kyle, Freetymes)
[1] Wicked -- (Houssam)
[4] No Lynch -- (Backglass, Xenhu, AK_iceman, Wicked)
Not Voting, Everyone Else

9 Total Votes are needed for a Lynch or No Lynch

--Andy

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:15 pm

Andy, you have me with two votes dear! lol should just be no lynch

Master Bush · Post by **Master Bush** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:19 pm

***TOWNIES***

If we get out of this day with no lynch, we are screwed big time. We MUST kill someone, and must be one of the 2 people who have thrown out 2 different stories about the other (AK and Autoload)

This is not hard. I'm starting to think that every single person in this game is mafia except me.

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:19 pm

This is NOT going well. The fragmentation is just as good (or as bad!) as a no lynch, and we really really cannot have that. We need to have a strategy - ANY strategy. I am pretty sure about Wicked - Every time she opens her mouth, she seems more suspicious to me, but I WILL change my vote if there is any clear strategy we are all willing to adopt. One thing though. I think the mafia is trying to get us to think traditionally in a non traditional game. They are trying to get us to focus on small (or for that matter big) details that may be different from story to story - this has been the key in previous games, but is not in this one. There is no "outside" factor - the infected people have been amongst us. It is not about finding an intruder that is trying to piece parts of a story they don't know so we are catching them in a lie. Those people lived in our midst and know our stories. This is why anyone trying to gear us towards thinking along these lines is suspicious to me. When those people also happen to be mafia veterans, you can see why suspicion is multiplied.

Wicked has been saying that what I say makes me look suspicious. She has never said why.. and as I said, I am not being pointed as a suspect so far. All I need to do is just shut up - but I think we are making a mistake.

So far, my vote stands - if enough people switch then great. If not, someone point out a strategy, and we should all buy into it.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:22 pm

We've gotta vote autoload, even he is saying now, well I could have been wrong.