Conquer Club

I agree with you on the roleblocker being useful, it would be even more useful if she could become a jailkeep. But, I think sensfan is as scummy as it gets. If he is mafia, then great. If he isn't, he isn't doing us any good with his IDC attitude. Townie or no, it seems he is not working in the best interests of the town.

theherkman wrote:I agree with you on the roleblocker being useful, it would be even more useful if she could become a jailkeep. But, I think sensfan is as scummy as it gets. If he is mafia, then great. If he isn't, he isn't doing us any good with his IDC attitude. Townie or no, it seems he is not working in the best interests of the town.

This, he is no asset of the town and he is around enough that he won't be replaced.

still an inactive townie is worth something.
it's one extra person for the mafia to kill.

also if others are killed by mafia he can still get more active. win the game for the town.
he should at least get back to reply though.

karelpietertje wrote:Haggis, you seem intensely scummy to me.
You were pushing for the kill on a town roleblocker earlier (and believe me guys, even in the less simplified situation we are in, town roleblockers are good, hmmkay), and now, in your first post ever to mention sensfan, you vote him to dead.
Normally I would just FoS you, but since time is running out, I need to give people a chance to act if they agree with me.
vote Haggis

Squirrel, could you give us an exact (CC) time on which Day 1 ends?
sensfan, if you're town, do whatever necessary to stay alive.

I should be around before Day 1 ends, so consider my vote a floating one, ready to kill anything that seems more scummy than sensfan (I rather lynch someone who is active and a bit scummy than someone who is inactive without specific signs of scumminess)

Yep, and I still believe the "roleblocker" should be killed. It's just that I'm being realistic, and it seems that isn't going to happen.
First post to mention sensfan, no, you're just a skimmer. But that's not anything new so moving on.
You also seem to have gotten yourself a nice little tunnel vision going , i think by now like 70% of your posts are atacking me(not that you have too many posts in the first place).

*Trust you* that it's usefull, well that's a great argument. Take it on faith guys ...
She might be statistically, *marginally* usefull, though I'm not even sure about that, but the info we get from the 20 page bandwaggon on her outweighs that statistical marginal usefullness.

theherkman wrote:

FloresDelMal wrote:

Thezzaruz wrote:But if there really is some direct change effect by being targeted by a Doc then things I can think of now is the possibility that a RoleBlocker could turn into a JailKeeper (i.e basically adding a Doc to the game) or the classic "the Doc healed me" scenario (of course then the Doc is usually called Psychiatric instead).

i have never encountered this, can you explain a bit more, has it ever been used on CC mafia?

The jailkeeper can roleblock and save one person every night. Thus he is a jailkeeper.


And now the deadline approaches in 1 hour CST. So sens is as good as dead. I just want to say, I'm pretty sure he is scum and called him out on like page 18. He has had my FOS and my vote several pages after. Also, I do think Daze would become a jailkeeper if protected. This makes a lot of sense now that it has been brought up. She won't change alignments like Judas or Saulus (Can't remember who said that), but rather roles which would allow new actions. I wonder if we have an inventor, that would be cool!

why do you know so much? i have never encountered such roles, im leaning to beliave that acting like a noob is your cover, and damn you had me fooled, kudos to your acting.
FOS herk (could be cool if someone could investigate him)

aage wrote:Sensfan is the worst lynch what we can come up with now. There are multiple persons that have lined up to be lynched (of whom Herk and Daze aren't the worst choices) but you guys go and lynch a guy that just needs to be replaced because he's being uncaring about the game? (...)

You guys are nuts. I still think we should vote Daze off. I'm thinking she knows damn well what her role will change into (thus the "you want me to say stuff i dont wanna say" part in her posts) she just becomes scummy if she reveals it. And still you guys are ignoring that? Seriously.... what the..

ok you are right, im ashamed of admit i got carried away by the fear of going no lynch after such a exhausting day 1, and betrayed my conviction that daze might be town today, but that could change over night, so thanks aage for the wake up call, i just hope we wont go no lynch because of this unvote vote daze lynch all liars

oh squirrel, can you replace sens please? if this is not possible sens should claim, is not like his is safe of a lynch.

I'm putting the biggest FoS possible on TheHerkMan.


He's 150% sure that Sensfan is scum, as I can quote from multiple of his posts. Yet, this judgment is based off the fact that Sensfan can't be bothered to read 50 pages of relatively nothing at all. I'm not saying Sensfan is a saint, but he definitely isn't a devil.

Also I'd like to note that it's funny that TheHerkMan is so sure about sensfan's scumminess while he hasn't even played a single game with the guy... If he had, he might've known that all posts made so far are typical of the player, not of the role.

I repeat, HUGE FoS on TheHerk. Someone better nightkill him or something like that...

theherkman wrote:I agree with you on the roleblocker being useful, it would be even more useful if she could become a jailkeep. But, I think sensfan is as scummy as it gets. If he is mafia, then great. If he isn't, he isn't doing us any good with his IDC attitude. Townie or no, it seems he is not working in the best interests of the town.

Neither are you. All you've been doing is creating chaos around subjects that don't even matter in this stage of the game, making useless comments on useless subjects and putting the page count on 54! And the argument you give for not lynching you is "ooooooh but myrole is so goddamn important that you'll all die if you lynch me so better gtfo". Please stop acting like a know-it-all on speed. My D2 is probably entirely dedicated to getting you lynched, I'll just say this beforehand...

Aage, prepare for an attack against you

I've stated earlier about herk (in fact, in the 15th page, I think). Since I don't have a lot of time at the moment, won't post anything more, but hoping to make it back before the deadline.

karelpieterje wrote:(and believe me guys, even in the less simplified situation we are in, town roleblockers are good, hmmkay)

If she is recruit-able by mafia or some other faction, then I would say she is a hazard. I'm sure that if we let her live, she would be guarded, though, so we wouldn't know for sure if she actually switched (what maf would admit to being a former townie who was recruited?), so I gotta say

vote daze

And FOS on karel. Either you're ignoring this fact (not likely), or this is a possible advantage to you.

-Tails

Huh, now we're actually getting votes for daze ...

Just to make it abundandtly clear(as if it wasn't already). My oppinion on our possible actions right now is:
Lynching daze better than lynching sens which is better than no lynch(barely).

By my count right now sens is at 8(minimum required for lynch) and daze is at 5.
So I'm staying on sens for now, but if it looks like we can actually get the lynch on daze I'm tottaly switching.

Started to reread but since it seems you guys went off a big tangent with the sudden Sensfan wagon, it's pretty clear to me we should lynch Daze.
Let's compare our two (probably only) options before the deadline:

-Lynch Sens because he's a scummy noob. He most likely won't claim or it'll be too late to prevent his lynch. Random lynch.
-Lynch Daze. She might be a town roleblocker but says her role would change if doc protected. There's a small possibility of her becoming a jailkeeper (protect+block) but frankly I find that one of the most useless roles until the very endgame where it's more the roleblocking that becomes useful. On the other hand it's not uncommon to have roles that can switch allegiances so the balance is more dynamic, which leads me to think we have no idea what could happen if a town doc, or a mafia doc targets her.

Even though with the last few pages a Sens wagon could be useful as several people took a strong stance for or against him, I find him more likely eager town noob and the Daze lynch can only have the good surprise of her being scum since the start vs lynching an important role. I don't see the point to random lynch after freaking 50 pages. Add to that there's plenty of background on the Daze case and it's likely she could switch to scum if she's town now, it's not hard to make the choice.

I'll try to make a proper post after rereading everything but since we're short of time prefered to start with this.

Unvote Vote Daze

I just don't think the daze lynch will give us any info. Any info related to the voting will be totally compromised due to others personal relations to daze. Honestly I see lynching daze as no better then a random lynch.

edocsil wrote:I just don't think the daze lynch will give us any info. Any info related to the voting will be totally compromised due to others personal relations to daze. Honestly I see lynching daze as no better then a random lynch.

Why do you say that? Isn't violet the only one with a personal relationship to daze?

And commander, really the only two who defended her at all....

What ever the case is I believe she was telling the truth, the only part in question for me is her alignment (town/3rd/scum) I just don't see what info we will gain with her death. Anyone care to lay it out for me?

Damn it, if the count stays this way we still get a no lynch which gets us even farther from home than lynching Sensfan does.

Haggis, go vote Daze. Sensfan lynch is off the block now anyways.
Anyone, please also vote for daze. We need 8 votes..

Let me lay things out for you folks again:

My name is Chuck Lewis. If ya’ll wanna know some background info of my character.
He’s a rapists. AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! He has a mental disorder. Now I know that don’t sound good ya’ll. But he is pro-town. I know it don’t sound like a pro-town role, but it is. So his abilities are to roleblock, of course in the towns favor. If a doc targets me, I will be healed. Meaning my characters mental disorder will be gone. So I can no longer roleblock- and my role will change.

Meaning if ya’ll still go ahead and lynch me now- there is no further possible information you can gain for my lynch. If I’m lynched, the best ya’ll could possibly do for me is go after the folks who knowingly voted for me- a townie. Sayin, “ooh, even those she’s a townie, she’s still bad for the town, that random rolebolocking, and this and that.”

If I said I was a doc, would ya’ll be sayin the same thing. “Oh but what if she protects the mafia, she’ll just protect at random, oh we must get rid of her.”

Ya’ll don’t make no sense. Whats the diff betw doc and roleblocker? Really is it that diff? One protects, ones blocks- its all random, less you have a hunch who the mob is like I do.

Why do I think it is only the mob still pushing for my lynch?
Cough cough, haggis, aage, flores, cough cough

I gotta cold ya’ll.

Why I think vio the only one who be makin sense in here? I’ma vote for the mob, not for a wagon.

Unvote Vote Haggis

You think it's just the mob because your mental disability probably causes you to be as paranoid as hell?

Anyway.
I see you've come up with another argument. "It's all random". If that's true and you are entrusting your ability to random.org, you are even more noob than I thought you were. I suggest you get to know the game mechanics first before you start doing whatever you think it is you're doing at the moment.
No offence, though. Everyone's gotta learn. But this is just crazy.

Alright unvote vote daze. If that's you're best defense, then that's it. The whole paranoia deal is just icing on the cake that is everything else argued for lynching you.

FloresDelMal wrote:oh squirrel, can you replace sens please? if this is not possible sens should claim, is not like his is safe of a lynch.

Don't see why people expect sensfan to be replaced? He does read and post (last post was yesterday ffs). The fact that his posts are craptasticly unhelpful has never been grounds for replacement in any game I've ever played.

karelpietertje wrote:still an inactive townie is worth something.
it's one extra person for the mafia to kill.

also if others are killed by mafia he can still get more active. win the game for the town.

Going on his contribution so far I have no confidence at all in sensfan being able to string together enough coherent arguments to win the game for us.

karelpietertje wrote:he should at least get back to reply though.

He did, said something like"what else can I say" and then disappeared again. Didn't do him any favours IMO.

FloresDelMal wrote:

Thezzaruz wrote:But if there really is some direct change effect by being targeted by a Doc then things I can think of now is the possibility that a RoleBlocker could turn into a JailKeeper (i.e basically adding a Doc to the game) or the classic "the Doc healed me" scenario (of course then the Doc is usually called Psychiatric instead).

i have never encountered this, can you explain a bit more, has it ever been used on CC mafia?

Sure what part?

I'll admit that having a RoleBlocker turning into a JailKeeper isn't something I have ever seen but I have seen both roles used multiple times and it would make some twisted sense in this game but I'm not sure by any means.

The Psychiatric isn't a role that I have seen here, I just threw it in there as that is a classic Doc type (depending on the Mod) of role that alters another role.


PreView Edit:
With dazes last ramblings in mind the Psychiatric scenario just popped up as a belivable and likely one.

strike wolf wrote:Not the Jailkeeper the inventor...I guess I wasn't clear on that...

You've never seen an Inventor? It's not that uncommon tbh.
An Inventor can use a night action to invent/build a gizmo and those gizmos can then be used (by himself or others depending on the Mod) to gain future night actions, usually actions that mimics the Cop/Doc/Roleblock/Vigilante roles.

edocsil wrote:And commander, really the only two who defended her at all....

I forgot about commander. It's a fair point, but it's definitely more info than we get from lynching sens, isn't it?

Ok, since the daze lynch seems possible again I'll do as i promised.

unvote vote daze

Vote Count

flores (2) - violet, freezie,
aage (1) - fircoal,
dazerazer (8) - saxlad, iliad, aage, flores, TG, ga7, jace, haggis
the herk (1) - naxus,
nag (1) - pmc
sensfan (7) - herk, strike wolf, blake, edocsil, thez, /, stefunny
jace (1) - nag
haggis (2) - karel, daze

16 to lynch.
4 hours until deadline!!!

karel wrote: I'm not as positive. I never voted for aage in the first place, and am positive I already corrected this after a previous false vote count.

Are you sure you didn't vote for mandelorian? Aage replaced mandy so he inherited all of his votes.

karelpietertje wrote:
Haggis, you seem intensely scummy to me.
You were pushing for the kill on a town roleblocker earlier (and believe me guys, even in the less simplified situation we are in, town roleblockers are good, hmmkay), and now, in your first post ever to mention sensfan, you vote him to dead.

haggis mc mutton wrote: “By my count right now sens is at 8(minimum required for lynch) and daze is at 5.
So I'm staying on sens for now, but if it looks like we can actually get the lynch on daze I'm tottaly switching.”

Good argument karl. Hmm sounds like you just want a lynch haggis. You are switching votes over constantly- just ready to jump on a bandwagon. And not necessary a thoughtful lynch, or one that could possibly gather information or be of benefit to the town. Just any lynch is good enough for you.

aage wrote:
I'm putting the biggest FoS possible on TheHerkMan.

And

My D2 is probably entirely dedicated to getting you lynched, I'll just say this beforehand...

Really. If you are putting an FOS that big on someone- the biggest size you can. Shouldn’t you just go ahead and vote him. But no, you want someone lynched and feel voting for herk at this point will be a wasted vote- so you just have to put your vote on the bandwagon so someone-anyone- will be lynched.

You don’t know what type of evidence or leads are going to come through after the night- that may or may not change the way you see things now. So if you feel so strongly about it, why not pursue him now. But I guess it will be a wasted vote to you.

For the record- I think herk is town; just questioning aage’s logic. You are as scummy as they come aage.

FloresDelMal wrote:so thanks aage for the wake up call, i just hope we wont go no lynch because of this unvote vote daze lynch all liars

Yeah, your scummate had to give you a wake up call. I guess since sens lynch didn’t happen as quickly as you would have liked, you had to quickly hop on another wagon before the deadline. Flores you say lynch all liars. If it turns out that Dazey was town and was truthful about her role, what are you going to say then?....... I'll be waiting.

Jace22 wrote:Alright unvote vote daze. If that's you're best defense, then that's it. The whole paranoia deal is just icing on the cake that is everything else argued for lynching you.

First off, where did you come from mr.lurker?
So you don't believe her defense. Really, then, what else do you suggest that she says? Have you even been following the game? What information do we get from her death now?

dazerazer wrote:
Why I think vio the only one who be makin sense in here? I’ma vote for the mob, not for a wagon.

Unvote Vote Haggis

QFT
QFT
I understand and agree with Dazey’s perspective about the following- I’m not voting for who I think will be a quick lynch, nor will I just hop on any bandwagon I sense coming. I’m going to keep my vote on who I think is mafia.

Unvote Vote Haggis

Also, flow is staying in the game, serbia decided to not replace after all.