Conquer Club

I wont say scum played well this game and it was more just town being retarded

So in case I die before tomorrow. A theory I have. I don't have the details ironed out but it something like this:

facts:

1. Storr says that he might not be able to win with all of the mafia.

2. Wing only had to eliminate mafia to fulfill his win condition

So from this I take that there is no true SK because that would violate Wing's win condition. I believe based on Storr's claim that third party can only win with certain members of town and mafia (maybe based on those allies groupings given on the Double Fanucci site). If this is true there is the potential that there is another third party out there who wins with the town and mafia that Storr doesn't win with. As far as the kills, either mafia has two kills, there was something about Tails role that makes him die if he guesses wrong (actually probably should have asked for mod clarification on the role) or one of the third party controls the kill. The latter option makes the most sense if Storr is the one controlling the kill as if it was the other one than that one probably would be encouraged to use his shot on Storr whom he probably knows he can't win with. There are some exceptions, Storr could be bullet proof to keep such an event from happening, possibly a factor in why he felt confident claiming on day 1. In which case he has no reason to fear me revealing this. Or the other one can still win with Storr alive as long as the only mafia/town left are those who win with him, making town claims (specifically those he knows are against him) more interesting for him.

As far as town vs mafia. It would seem town can win as a whole without the third party or parties and same is probably true for mafia. To be fair, I am not even sure of the likelihood that this theory is correct or if Storr would admit it was if it is.

strike wolf wrote:So in case I die before tomorrow. A theory I have. I don't have the details ironed out but it something like this:

facts:

1. Storr says that he might not be able to win with all of the mafia.

2. Wing only had to eliminate mafia to fulfill his win condition

So from this I take that there is no true SK because that would violate Wing's win condition. I believe based on Storr's claim that third party can only win with certain members of town and mafia (maybe based on those allies groupings given on the Double Fanucci site). If this is true there is the potential that there is another third party out there who wins with the town and mafia that Storr doesn't win with. As far as the kills, either mafia has two kills, there was something about Tails role that makes him die if he guesses wrong (actually probably should have asked for mod clarification on the role) or one of the third party controls the kill. The latter option makes the most sense if Storr is the one controlling the kill as if it was the other one than that one probably would be encouraged to use his shot on Storr whom he probably knows he can't win with. There are some exceptions, Storr could be bullet proof to keep such an event from happening, possibly a factor in why he felt confident claiming on day 1. In which case he has no reason to fear me revealing this. Or the other one can still win with Storr alive as long as the only mafia/town left are those who win with him, making town claims (specifically those he knows are against him) more interesting for him.

As far as town vs mafia. It would seem town can win as a whole without the third party or parties and same is probably true for mafia. To be fair, I am not even sure of the likelihood that this theory is correct or if Storr would admit it was if it is.

Quit the bs, the game is lost and if its not "over" the non town out number the town and will never have enough vote power to win the game. TOWN has lost and is essentially gonna pick the winner between the 2 scum teams or scum team and sk.

Your assuming wing didnt make a mistake as my win con says eliminate all threats to town not just mafia

So Mtam......HOW exactly would you expect the claimed Town Doc to save anyone if you knowingly jailed them?

By your own words. You blame NOS for not saving one of the three dead. Kinda hard to over look that point.

That might be a lynch, but I won't be able to deal with this until I get back from work in 10 hours.

DoomYoshi wrote:That might be a lynch, but I won't be able to deal with this until I get back from work in 10 hours.

If it's not it should be after I vote mtam

You don't block a claimed doc no matter how scummy you think they are.

Also people who think I'm scum, here's your opportunity to start a bandwagon on me tomorrow!!!

Iron Butterfly wrote:So Mtam......HOW exactly would you expect the claimed Town Doc to save anyone if you knowingly jailed them?

By your own words. You blame NOS for not saving one of the three dead. Kinda hard to over look that point.

Literally cancerous statement, I dont think hes a doctor I think hes scum

He would be the most likely to send the kill for his team based on the fact he claimed doctor. This is honestly fucking retarded there has to be 2 scum teams because town isnt this retarded, this will be the second time ive ever been fucking mislynched and its fucking atrocious

Mtam. If youre town than this is your own fault. You played shitty youmade a shitty play on the claimed doc and you dont know how to work with people. A large portion of mafia isnt just finding scum, it is being able to work with the rest of town so that when you do find scum, you can actually get them lynched.

strike wolf wrote:Mtam. If youre town than this is your own fault. You played shitty youmade a shitty play on the claimed doc and you dont know how to work with people. A large portion of mafia isnt just finding scum, it is being able to work with the rest of town so that when you do find scum, you can actually get them lynched.

second.

If he flips town it is on him period. Scum play and doesn't play well with others.

all this talk post lynch qq

Meh if tambo town I think what he did makes sense. The lynch on hotshot. The skeptical view of nos.

Nos claimed a wrong save on virus. So it's not like tambo actions are unable reasonable. Or impacted the game negatively. If tamb is mafia, why does he claim a block in nos?

StorrZerg wrote:Meh if tambo town I think what he did makes sense. The lynch on hotshot. The skeptical view of nos.

Nos claimed a wrong save on virus. So it's not like tambo actions are unable reasonable. Or impacted the game negatively. If tamb is mafia, why does he claim a block in nos?

Its not what he claimed, its his first statement in the day and then his claim of blocking him. He can't block the claimed doc and expect him to save anyone. Its like trying to have your cake and eat it too.

rishaed wrote:

StorrZerg wrote:Meh if tambo town I think what he did makes sense. The lynch on hotshot. The skeptical view of nos.

Nos claimed a wrong save on virus. So it's not like tambo actions are unable reasonable. Or impacted the game negatively. If tamb is mafia, why does he claim a block in nos?

Its not what he claimed, its his first statement in the day and then his claim of blocking him. He can't block the claimed doc and expect him to save anyone. Its like trying to have your cake and eat it too.

Why can't he bait the claim?

If nos is a liar, or scum doc, he can't claim a save on a dead. He can't know he was blocked unless he had a different night action.

Secondly if nos is scum he won't exactly want to admit saving a scumMate.

Nos had a terrible reaction, claimed save on virus for bringing up wincon talk, when it wasn't him.

StorrZerg wrote:

rishaed wrote:

StorrZerg wrote:Meh if tambo town I think what he did makes sense. The lynch on hotshot. The skeptical view of nos.

Nos claimed a wrong save on virus. So it's not like tambo actions are unable reasonable. Or impacted the game negatively. If tamb is mafia, why does he claim a block in nos?

Its not what he claimed, its his first statement in the day and then his claim of blocking him. He can't block the claimed doc and expect him to save anyone. Its like trying to have your cake and eat it too.

Why can't he bait the claim?

If nos is a liar, or scum doc, he can't claim a save on a dead. He can't know he was blocked unless he had a different night action.

Secondly if nos is scum he won't exactly want to admit saving a scumMate.

Nos had a terrible reaction, claimed save on virus for bringing up wincon talk, when it wasn't him.

Don't get me wrong. NoS definetely made a bad choice on who to save. But if you're scum Jailkeeper/Roleblocker than block doc kill wing, blame doc for not protecting him and try to get him lynched is a decent play especially when you've got 3 deaths in the night.

Yet nos didn't claim save on that person. and tambo stopped pushing nos for w/e reason. If he scum why stop pushing the plan?

StorrZerg wrote:Yet nos didn't claim save on that person. and tambo stopped pushing nos for w/e reason. If he scum why stop pushing the plan?

Because it didn't catch. Nobody even reacted to his statement, and I took all of the attention pretty much with the early Hotshot vote analysis and claim statement.

We will see soon w/e

strike wolf wrote:Mtam. If youre town than this is your own fault. You played shitty youmade a shitty play on the claimed doc and you dont know how to work with people. A large portion of mafia isnt just finding scum, it is being able to work with the rest of town so that when you do find scum, you can actually get them lynched.

Says the guy who instant lynched me without hearing me out, there was no "play"

Iron Butterfly wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Mtam. If youre town than this is your own fault. You played shitty youmade a shitty play on the claimed doc and you dont know how to work with people. A large portion of mafia isnt just finding scum, it is being able to work with the rest of town so that when you do find scum, you can actually get them lynched.

second.

If he flips town it is on him period. Scum play and doesn't play well with others.

Used to respect both of you as players but the last couple games playing with you proves to be me youre just slightly better then bad which makes you look good.

You voting against me is just an "excuse" more than anything because you dont like to play with me so dont bring lame as og he doesnt work well with people so hes gotta be lynched and its his fault, refer back to my game with streaker where we both solved the game together in the c9 setup.

So to respond to me not working well with people I say f*ck you, you never even tried to hear me out you just auto lynched me after my claim you fucking stuck up bitches that think your better than everyone else in this mafia community

StorrZerg wrote:Yet nos didn't claim save on that person. and tambo stopped pushing nos for w/e reason. If he scum why stop pushing the plan?

Dont make logical posts storr, theyll never understand what you are talking about

StorrZerg wrote:

rishaed wrote:

StorrZerg wrote:Meh if tambo town I think what he did makes sense. The lynch on hotshot. The skeptical view of nos.

Nos claimed a wrong save on virus. So it's not like tambo actions are unable reasonable. Or impacted the game negatively. If tamb is mafia, why does he claim a block in nos?

Its not what he claimed, its his first statement in the day and then his claim of blocking him. He can't block the claimed doc and expect him to save anyone. Its like trying to have your cake and eat it too.

Why can't he bait the claim?

I considered this. This is a potentially logical explanation for what happened if mtam flips town.

The problem is that this style of play is disrespectful to the rest of us, and to the well known lynch all liars standard. Clearly mtam thought NoS was -- is? -- scum. But many of the rest of us thought he is town due to the lack of a counterclaim. Even if mtam disagrees with us, he has to understand that we have a reasonable position. Therefore by taking matters into his own hands and directly lying to bait a claim out of a person that the majority thinks is town, he is essentially going vigilante and saying he doesn't care about our opinion. And nothing is forcing him to care, except that he can't expect anything from us if the tables turn. Yes, it's possible that he'll flip town and this was the reason; but, even in that case, we may well have been justified in the lynch because of the fact that mtam lied to us and then didn't cop to it. He did not make any of these arguments you made before the lynch, and maybe if he had done so instead of yelling at everyone and calling our statements cancerous, he could have swayed more people. But I think the lynch was called for as is.

where did tamb lie?

So what if he took matters in his own hands. He didn't deny a save, and others still doubted nos claim. Saying everyone thought he was town is dumb. It be one thing if nos claimed a save on a dead person. Secondly tambo protects as well. Saving nos from a fatal night kill. Which was not on his mind sure.

Tamb hinted his role on day 1, it Was pretty obvious what his claim was. Cause he hinted similar power as hotshot.

fact we had a role blocker town.
if Tambo flips town, we had a second block / protection

we have claimed doc
and claimed protective role from rishaed.

I just want this day to end.

You just admitted lynching town is good, this is why you are bad.

mtamburini wrote:You just admitted lynching town is good, this is why you are bad.

Im sorry I used bad you are probably just mafia.