CYOC Mafia [7/15] Game Over! [Archive]

[jak111]

Unvote
Yes, I think Doomyoshi shouldclarify.

[spiesr]

I give a role. It lasts 1 day/night cycle. It is unregectable (proof: yomiel wasn't able to deny the vanilla yam). PCM may not accept it, because it includes roles for 2 players (if one becomes a lover so does the other). So, maybe we will still get a dayvig out there.

Have you figured out if he accepted the lover action yet?

In the meantime, we could discuss something while we wait. Does anybody have any ideas about discrepancy with last night's actions? The part where Iron says nobody visited edocsil and I say I did? The death of a busdriver doesn't solve this. (Unless the "Busted" part of the role implies some different mechanics.) The only think I can think of off the top of my head that that I may have been blocked. So, I guess we'll have to see if Tails wants to claim that action.

[DoomYoshi]

IB lying is one explanation. The yam is sent.

[Iron Butterfly]

IB lying is one explanation. The yam is sent.

Spiesr you visited / the night before this.

Do you confirm or deny?

[DoomYoshi]

Vote saf

[spiesr]

Spiesr you visited / the night before this.

Do you confirm or deny?

Confirm
However I am not sure if this proves anything. I think that Jonty tried to kill / and was mortally wounded in the process, so scum might have known that I was there.

[spiesr]

The yam is sent.

Well okay then, Vote Safariguy.

[pancakemix]

That's a lynch. I'm declaring Dusk until Sunday afternoon at the least. Discussion may continue, but no new votes will be counted.

Please DON'T send actions until I've declared that it is night.

[DoomYoshi]

Gone until Thursday. I can check in on Tuesday though.

Zzzzz....

[pancakemix]

He was the only one who could have saved them from the end of the world.

That's what he told them, anyway. Most of them thought he would have been the one to have caused it. They were probably right. The crater in the middle of what used to be Fifth Avenue didn't do him any favors.

Could he have stopped them from executing him? Probably. That wasn't his style, though. Justice was something he valued. If they wanted him dead, that was their right. He had no place to argue with freedom of speech. And again, he probably would have killed them all and their families and friends and even those two robots who wouldn't shut up. Good lord, such awful puns. That was another reason to let himself die.

He knew there was another like him, though. That was the scary thought. He may have wanted everyone and everything dead, but his rival wanted it too. Why should he get all the fun?

Maybe it's not too late, he thought. Maybe I can just unleash all my fury right now and claim my rightful place as destroyer of worlds.

Then his head fell on the floor.

Safariguy5 AKA Hiei, 3rd-Party Killswitch has been lynched



It is Night 4. Please send all actions by August 1st at 3:00 PM ET (GMT-04:00)

[pancakemix]

A silhouette disturbed the darkness for a final time. The resurrected assassin had been a thorn in the side of the conspiracy. It was time he met his demise. Upon arriving at his place of meditation, the silhouette looked around. He noticed the giant guard who had been the cause of two of his comrades' deaths, an alternate route to his target, and a pineapple. He was good at this sort of thing.

He decided to scale the neighboring building and try to take a shot from there. Not being an athletic type, this took several hours. By the time he reached the top, the guard was standing directly overtop of him.

"Again?" he asked the guard.

"Yup" replied the giant.

/ AKA Shawn Spencer, Mafia Flavor Cop has been killed!



Dru Zeree held the power to destroy the earth in his hand. A dark violet sphere pulsing with electricity floated above his palm. A smaller sphere slowly orbited around the larger. Absentmindedly, he flicked the smaller one and drove it faster. He was getting impatient. It had taken this long to harness the power to obliterate everything. Was it too much to ask to simply do it?

No, he thought. Better that they know who brought their demise. So he waited longer still. As he sat there pondering the destruction of all things, his mind drifted back to that warrior who was beheaded yesterday. He may have been Dru Zeree's nemesis, but he was kind of cute. Matter of fact, he had this manner about him that was completely irresistible...

"f*ck!" Dru Zeree cried out, "Pull it together, man". It must have been something he had eaten. What had he eaten that day? Some roast beef, a chicken, a pizza... His mind drifted back to the warrior. The dark eyes, the supple body, the deft hands. He thought about that time he watched him training in a field in secret. He was amazing with a sword, and could summon great power in an instant. Maybe his goal had been destruction the whole time. Maybe he just wanted to give the weaklings a fair chance...

"Son of a bitch!" He clenched his hand into a fist. The larger sphere began to pulsate. He panicked. It was too soon. It began to grow. It engulfed the smaller globe. He had to stop it. Could he stop it? A containment field could do it. He put his hands up. A bubble formed around the sphere. It kept expanding. The room glowed light blue. The sphere filled the bubble. The bubble pushed back. Soon, he had it down to original size. Dru Zeree took a deep breath. His mind wandered to the execution. Hiei's turns back to the crowd. His eyes had meet Dru Zeree's for a brief moment.

He had lost focus. The bubble shattered. The power had been reduced, but there was still enough force to demolish Dru Zeree's house. As he saw his incoming demise, his life flashed before him, and he knew that there was no greater moment in his life than the one his mind had wandered to.

Jak AKA Dru Zeree, 3rd-Party Killswitch has been killed!



"The world is saved!" shouted C3PO.

"So it is, my friend. I could only be happier if I had my body back. C'mere, gimme a kiss!" said Crow.

"Oh, my! This was not at all what I had hoped for!"

Spiesr AKA The Black Knight, Town Counter Bodyguard



Edocsil AKA Altair, Town Tracker Assassin



Iron Butterfly AKA Jack Skellington, Town Unblockable Watcher



DoomYoshi AKA Ahia Njoku, Town Power Gifter



Crazymilkshake5 AKA Forever Alone, Town Tree Stump



Mr. Squirrel AKA Camillo di Cavour, Town Vote Snowballer



and Tails AKA Lazarus Long, Town Dimension Jumper



...have won (along with all the deceased townies)!

[pancakemix]

Some notes:

• I'm glad I waived any responsibility for the balance of this setup. When I post the roles, you'll understand, but I'll say for now that spiesr and Tails were massively OP.
• I am sorry about the whole Yomiel thing. I stand by my removal, but I certainly got more heated than I liked. I don't think Yomiel is going to come back, and that's probably a good thing. Still, it's clear Yomiel has some serious issues and I think some others on this site did nothing to help any matters. I hope the PM I posted shows that at one point I did have Yomiel's best in mind.
• I really do like dueling lynchers, don't I? This is the third time I've had that happen in a game. Props to Doom for a clever solution to the killswitch problem.
• Several actions interacted with roleblockers. There were no roleblockers.
• I didn't get to test my runoff vote system. This makes me sad. Still, I'm pleased with the pace this game took. Six weeks is quick for a game these days.
• If I had to pick an MVP, it'd probably be spiesr, but he had the benefit of an OP role. The mafia played pretty well for the most part, but the shoddy balance screwed them over.
• Someone else should totally make one of these, because I want to play in one. Preferably someone with a lot of creativity.

[edocsil]

So two questions. Tails, what WAS your role?

PCM, why didn't Jak die right away?

[pancakemix]

So two questions. Tails, what WAS your role?

PCM, why didn't Jak die right away?

I'll have the answer to the first one up shortly.

I play that lovers last an extra phase before dying. If saf had died at night, Jak would have blown everything up before he suicided.

[edocsil]

So two questions. Tails, what WAS your role?

PCM, why didn't Jak die right away?

I'll have the answer to the first one up shortly.

I play that lovers last an extra phase before dying. If saf had died at night, Jak would have blown everything up before he suicided.

Interesting. Well it sure had us sweating

[pancakemix]

Yomiel

You are Sachiko Shinozaki, Vengeful Ghost



In life, you have no powers. Once you are dead, however, you may choose a player to kill each day/night cycle (i.e. Day X/Night X. If you kill on Day X you may not kill again until Day Y, but if you wait until Night X to kill, you may kill again starting Day Y)

Drawn from: Corpse Party. This character haunted someone in nasty ways for murdering them. It seemed to me like this was a perfect fit. It was pretty amusing to see Yomiel try to get herself killed, because the way she did it only made it more difficult for it to happen.

Mod Notes: I thought this role had a lot of potential. It's too bad it never saw real use.

Use it again?: I think so, if only to actually see it in practice.

Spiesr

You are The Black Knight, Town Counter Bodyguard



You may protect one player each night. You will kill anyone who tries to kill your target. You are also bulletproof, but can be killed by divine weapons.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn from: The Black Knight (Fire Emblem) is super strong and has super high defense. The only thing that could have killed him was a divine weapon. The only divine weapon in this game would have been a yam. I'll let you ponder that.

Mod Notes: Holy OP role, Batman! Elite bodyguard is one thing, but making him bulletproof just breaks the game.

Use it again?: Not with a bulletproof.

Saf and Jak

You are Hiei, 3rd-Party Killswitch



If you are at the beginning of Day 5, you will unleash the Dragon of the Darkness Flame, obliterate all other players, and win. However, there is another Killswitch in the game. If you are both alive n Day 5, your destructive forces will cancel out, and only the two of you will be destroyed.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

You are Dru Zeree, 3rd-Party Killswitch



If you are at the beginning of Day 5, you will unleash a powerful attack, obliterate all other players, and win. However, there is another Killswitch in the game. If you are both alive on Day 5, your destructive forces will cancel out, and only the two of you will be destroyed.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn from: For Hiei (Yu-Yu Hakushio), I watched one clip on Youtube where he was fighting this guy who was just burning the shit out of everything. Hiei doesn't bat any of his three eyes and unleashes this ridiculous attack that destroys everything. He also came off as the standard anime "cool, collected" type who doesn't really care about anyone else. That was all I needed for him. Dru Zeree (Dragonrealm) was a bit different because I had a hard time finding anything on him. I asked jak about him and he said that he created a lightning storm that killed a bunch of dragons and didn't care about anyone else. These two seemed perfect for each other.

Mod Notes: I know I said alignments would be random, but with these two, there was nowhere else to turn. I made them both third-party and reduced the number of mafia to reflect that. It didn't turn out nearly as dramatic as I'd hoped, with Saf forced to claim Day 2.

Use it again?: Well, it's a variant on a theme I've used twice, so if the situation calls for it, killswitches will come back. They could even appear as singulars (I've seen it elsewhere).

Slash

You are Shawn Spencer, Mafia Flavor Cop



Each night, you may receive flavor hints about one player. You are also immune to investigation.

Your scummates are jonty and Nebuchadnezer

You win when your faction can overpower all others.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn from: Psych. This one wasn't hard to come up with. Shawn Spencer is known for his skills of observation, so learning flavor seems right up his alley. Immune to investigation was an add-on to the fact that no one can figure out that he's not a psychic.

Mod Notes: / played this well. He had town believing he was on their side pretty convincingly. I really don't have anything to add because this role's pretty standard.

Use it again?: This could already be considered standard.

edoc

You are Altair, Town Tracker Assassin



Each night you may track one player. You may choose to kill that player the following day.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn from: Assassin's Creed. He follows people, he kills them. Pretty straightforward.

Mod Notes: Edoc misinterpreted the concept at first and sent me this ridiculously OP recruiter mason/vig/I don't even know. I told him he might as well have picked God, and that God was still available if he wanted it. I'm not sure if he actually considered it or not.

Use it again: Probably. I think it's a pretty interesting role and would fit other places.

jonty

You are Robin Gibb, Mafia Rasputin



When you are killed, you will survive for another day (because you are Stayin' Alive (*badumtssshh*))

Your scummates are / and Nebuchadnezer.

You win when your faction can overpower all others.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn from: The Bee Gees. The pun says it all

Mod notes: The whole fakeclaim thing was just bizarre. That's all I've got to say on this.

Use it again?: Yes, but not likely as mafia.

IB

You are Jack Skellington, Town Unblockable Watcher



Each night, you may remove your head and use it to watch another player. You cannot be kept from doing this, as your head is not attached to the body they'd be stopping.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn From: NMBC. See PM.

Mod Notes: I had no clue where to go on this one. Saf just made him a lover/mason in NMBC mafia (I think. Regardless, it was too mundane). I just kinda followed the logic of what you could do with your head detatched.

Use Again?: Well, it's just a watcher, so yes.

Doom

You are Ahia Njoku, Town Power Gifter



During the day, you may give a player a magical yam. It will grant them one magical gift, which you must ascribe to it.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn From: Igbo Mythology. Gods, yams, god powers in yams.

Mod Notes: I'm glad I left the description vague on this because it gave Doom a lot of room to work with. He ended up with some pretty creative stuff, like the lover yam at the end.

Use again?: Hells yes.

Crazymilkshake

You are Forever Alone, Town Tree Stump



At any point during the game, you may say the magic word and become a Tree Stump. While you are a stump, you can talk, but cannot vote or be killed.

The magic word is Me Gusta

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn From: Internet meme. When crazy sent me this, I knew I had to do it again.

Mod Notes: I added a magic word this time to actually allow him to claim.It seems there was confusion about what being stumped entailed.

Use Again?: Yes, with "it" as the magic word.

Shield

You are Shield (Generator VII), Town Busdriver



(That's what came up for Shield Generator VII in Google Image search)

Through the use of portals, you can change people's positions. Each night, you may choose two players. Any actions affecting the first player will happen to the second, and vice versa.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn From: Shield made this up. That pissed me off, so I only made it work half the time.

Use Again?: The more I see busdrivers, the more I think it just fucks everything up.

Vodean

You are Luke Skywalker, Town Enhancer



You grew up an only child with your aunt and uncle on the desert planet Tatooine, knowing nothing about your parents. When your uncle purchased two new droids to help tend your farm, one of them brought with him a message that would change your life forever.

Each night you may target one player. You will guide their action with the power of the force, making it unblockable.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn From: Star Wars. Specifically, when Luke uses the force to guide his shot at the end of the original film.

Mod Notes: I don't know why I added flavor to this role PM, I knew that I wouldn't ba able to do it for any of the other characters. Also, once again, there were no roleblockers.

Use again?: Maybe in a game with roleblockers

Nebuchadnezer

You are Silent Bob, Mafia Silent Crier

You cannot post, but up to 7 times on any given day you may send a message to me to be posted. You MAY reveal your identity. You also have Day watching powers.

Your scummates are / and jonty.

You win when your faction can overpower all others.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn From: Clerks. Making him unable to talk would have been dickish, so I did the next worst thing.

Mod Notes: The silence put a lot more value on what Neb said and, clearly, what he wrote. He didn't waste any posts. That's probably part of why the town trusted him at least to some extent.

Use again?: No. I'm not making other people's posts for them. At least not all of them.

ShaggyDan

You are The DeLorean, Town Action Delayer



Each night, you may target a player. That player's action will be delayed until the following night.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn From: Back to the Future. Why he wanted to be the DeLorean and not Marty/Doc is beyond me.

Mod Notes: None

Use Again?: Sure

Squirrel

You are Camillo di Cavour, Town Vote Snowballer



You steal votes like a normal politician, but may offer the vote to another. If they accept, they may use the stolen vote, but will have their vote permanently stolen the next day (they will not know this until it happens). You may do this twice. Votes may not be stolen after the second time. A rejection of the offer will not count against you. Votes will be returned upon your death

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn From: Historical Italian Prime Minister. Responsible for the unification of Italy. Pretty much a boss. Offering stolen votes in order to steal votes is fiendishly politician like, especially when you're a boss.

Mod Notes: I capped it at three because I didn't want him to steal everyone's vote. He tried to steal one last night. I think 4 votes probably would have been ok, but it was of no consequence anyway.

Use again?: I really like this role. I think I would, if it's not too OP.

Tails

You are Lazarus Long, Town Dimension Jumper



You can rewrite the course of the game by changing one action. You will receive a full list of actions. You may change one of them per night, or reverse the lynch (this is cumulative, meaning you can change the Night 1 actions/Day 1 Lynch on Night 3, etc). You may not change your own death.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread

Drawn From: Robert A. Heinlen's writings. The character is practically immortal, and jumps dimensions. My impression was that he used this ability to have sex with his mother (which I believe he had already time travelled to do).

Mod Notes: I knew this was OP when I made it, and I really hoped and prayed mafia would not get it because that would have been bad. It was still bad.

Use again?: No.

Actions

Day 1

Neb: Watch edoc
Yoshi: Yomiel – Vanillaness

Night 1

Spiesr: Mr. Squirrel
Edoc: Track Yomiel
Squirrel: Steal Edocsil, offer vote to Iron (blocked)
/: Investigate Saf
IB: Watch Yomiel
Mafia: Kill Mr. Squirrel (Jonty) (changed to block)
Shaggy: Delay Yomiel
Shield: Edoc and Saf

Day 2

Yoshi: / - Daycop
Edoc: Kill Yomiel
Yomiel: Kill Edoc
Neb: Watch /

Night 2

Spiesr: /
Shield: Neb and Squirrel (broken)
IB: /
Squirrel: jonty→/
Mafia: jonty→spiesr
/: IB
Delay: Neb
Tails: resurrect edoc

Day 3

Neb: Watch / (delayed)
Yoshi: edoc – Daycop
Edoc: Tails

Night 3

Kill: Neb→ Tails
/: Shield
Spiesr: edoc
Squirrel: Saf→ Jak
Watch: edoc
Tails: Redirect spiesr

Day 4

Edoc: kill
Doom: Jak (lover w/Saf)

Night 4

Watcher: edoc
Bodyguard: edoc
Mafia: edoc
Rolecop: spiesr
Tails: Rolecop to Doom

[safariguy5]

Very fun setup. I'll definitely see what my schedule is like and see if I can't mod one of these. Must get creative.

Considering the position / put me in, I had very little choice in playing it. I really thought that I gave myself the best shot at surviving until Day 5 by revealing some of the information. The problem was that I'm not sure how jak or I were going to get the other one killed after / outed me. Just a lot of talking about killswitches really.

[jonty125]

jonty

You are Robin Gibb, Mafia Rasputin



When you are killed, you will survive for another day (because you are Stayin' Alive (*badumtssshh*))

Your scummates are / and Nebuchadnezer.

You win when your faction can overpower all others.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn from: The Bee Gees. The pun says it all

Mod notes: The whole fakeclaim thing was just bizarre. That's all I've got to say on this.

Use it again?: Yes, but not likely as mafia.

Well Plan A, was my fakeclaim would be that I gained powers the game progressed. By singing Stayin' Alive, in its entirety, one line at a time, with slight adjustments. Then I was used for the kill and was slighltly clueless where to go, until you had me singing a version of Wham!'s "Wake Me Up Before You Go-go!". So I decided to go for a lyncher/lynchee mechanism, because there was already one out there (well sorta).

[Mr. Squirrel]

Squirrel

You are Camillo di Cavour, Town Vote Snowballer



You steal votes like a normal politician, but may offer the vote to another. If they accept, they may use the stolen vote, but will have their vote permanently stolen the next day (they will not know this until it happens). You may do this twice. Votes may not be stolen after the second time. A rejection of the offer will not count against you. Votes will be returned upon your death

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn From: Historical Italian Prime Minister. Responsible for the unification of Italy. Pretty much a boss. Offering stolen votes in order to steal votes is fiendishly politician like, especially when you're a boss.

Mod Notes: I capped it at three because I didn't want him to steal everyone's vote. He tried to steal one last night. I think 4 votes probably would have been ok, but it was of no consequence anyway.

Use again?: I really like this role. I think I would, if it's not too OP.

I personally loved my role. I thought it worked well. I could see it actually being used as a solitary scum role, in place of a cult or sk faction. Basically he would just be trying to gather votes until he could lynch everyone himself.

[jak111]

Very fun setup. I'll definitely see what my schedule is like and see if I can't mod one of these. Must get creative.

Considering the position / put me in, I had very little choice in playing it. I really thought that I gave myself the best shot at surviving until Day 5 by revealing some of the information. The problem was that I'm not sure how jak or I were going to get the other one killed after / outed me. Just a lot of talking about killswitches really.

If only you didn't fight back They would have never known what hit them.

They bought my fake claim I think up until Day 4, from there when I outed Safari and he kept referring to the 2nd killswitch I was thinking "Just don't let them think I am it, keep fighting with my fake claim" Also I think a FEW still believed me up until the end even though must were just hoping to get lucky

That scene was such a tease... for a moment I couldn't figure out why it kept mentioning Safari, and then I was like NO! when I saw my death lol. Sooo close.

Though I think Doom's yam giving is a bit overpowered. He could gift anything he wanted to really. Cop, Busdriver, Lovers <.<, Bomb, Day vig, etc. So ultimately I wonder why the mafia never aimed for him, he was the most overpowered person there was. (He wouldn't have been much so if there had only been certain 'yams' he could give out, but being able to give out any yam made him too powerful). Heck, he could have given a yam for vote stealing.

Either way though, I had fun and I'm glad I kept people from guessing who I was up until Day 4. When I didn't die in the day phase I thought I was about to win it if they didn't kill me off at night. Then I laughed when I got the pm that my vote was stolen for the rest of the game ^^ Because it was either I won the game or I lost it, there wasn't going to be a Day 5 for me XD

My only regrets is not having the ability to kill off people at night. My obvious targets would have been Spiesr by night 2, and Doom by night 3. (Spiesr because of his protection/kill role and Doom because of his any power role).

EDIT:
Aww, I got no mod notes v.v Nor did Saf. Did we not play good? XD

[TA1LGUNN3R]

My role was pretty suped up... It was difficult to tell you guys that I knew 1) there was a mafia, 2) I knew who were town because mafia was targeting them, and 3) busdriver wasn't busdriving all that much and no roleblockers without revealing that I had a valuable role. It was easy once I knew that spiesr would flip the kills.

btw, I was responsible for the roleblock on Squirrel because I wasn't sure what he did yet (I changed the mafia kill to a roleblock), the resurrection of edoc, and changing spiesr's targets.

Had a lot of fun with this one, pancake.

-Tails

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GEEZE talk about a curbstomp battle, that was painful...

[Iron Butterfly]

well done. Not much to add to your commentary.

I will admit I was lost towards the end but what the heck its about the ride.

[ShaggyDan]

[quote="pancakemix]

ShaggyDan

You are The DeLorean, Town Action Delayer



Each night, you may target a player. That player's action will be delayed until the following night.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.

Drawn From: Back to the Future. Why he wanted to be the DeLorean and not Marty/Doc is beyond me.

Mod Notes: None

Use Again?: Sure

[/quote]

Bah, the DeLorean is far cooler than Marty or the Doc... neither of them can travel through time or have pop top doors .

Excellent game, I just wish I was able to be a little more active in it... RL caught up with me.

I didn't really know how to use the action effectively either... a delayer didn't seem like a very powerful role to me but with the right application I guess it could work out. In most cases I was probably doing more harm than good when using it though .

GG all, thanks for the mod PCM .

[ShaggyDan]

EBWOP (even though games over ): Fixing tags.

ShaggyDan

You are The DeLorean, Town Action Delayer



Each night, you may target a player. That player's action will be delayed until the following night.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Please confirm that you have received and understand your role in the thread.[/quote]

Drawn From: Back to the Future. Why he wanted to be the DeLorean and not Marty/Doc is beyond me.

Mod Notes: None

Use Again?: Sure

Bah, the DeLorean is far cooler than Marty or the Doc... neither of them can travel through time or have pop top doors .

Excellent game, I just wish I was able to be a little more active in it... RL caught up with me.

I didn't really know how to use the action effectively either... a delayer didn't seem like a very powerful role to me but with the right application I guess it could work out. In most cases I was probably doing more harm than good when using it though .

GG all, thanks for the mod PCM .