EW's Semi-Open Matrix Madness

[SoN!c]

SSSTRIKE SSSPEAKS SSSPARSSSELTONGUE!!!Hassshssshassshin asssasssisssin (حشاشين, romanized: Ḥaššāšīn) ssss طائفة الحشاشين.. جماعة حاربت الفاطميين والعباسيين والسلاجقة وقضى عليها هولاكو... aka split snaketongue والشام وأنشأت "الدولة النزارية الشرقية بالشام وفارس وبلاد الشرق"، وتأسست على يد حسن الصباح، الذي انشق عن الفاطميين لما تولى الخلافة أحمد الملقب بالمستعلي بالله، ودعا إلى خلافة نزار بن معد علي العبيدي، الذي أوصى الخليفة المستنصر بالله الفاطمي بتوليته من بعده.

Ofcourse in the ears of a Roman or Jew a Ḥaššāšīn with split snaketongue sounded like a snake as they would die for 5 cents suicide style as that was a lot of money for them and they needed it to buy hasjhasjiesjj anyways..

وكانت الجماعة تتحصن بالقلاع وتنتهج الاغتيال وسيلة للقضاء على خصومها، وسببت رعبا للفاطميين بالقاهرة والعباسيين في بغداد والسلاجقة في إيران إضافة إلى الصليبيين. قضى على وجودها في فارس القائد المغولي هولاكو عام ميلادية وفي الشام أنهاها الظاهر ببيرس.

الحشاشون وألقاب أخرى
اختلفت الروايات في سبب تسميتهم بالحشاشين، فقيل إنهم سموا بذلك لكثرة تعاطيهم الحشيش وإن الصباح كان يعطيهم إياه لينفذوا المهام المسندة إليهم، وقيل إنه أنشأ حدائق غناء في قلعة حصينة، وكان يأخذ أتباعه إليها بعد أن يتعاطوا الحشيش ويوهمهم أن هذه هي "الجنة الموعودة" في الآخرة، وعندما يفيقون يعدهم بالعودة إليها إن نفذوا ما طلب منهم.

وقيل إن تسمية "الحشاشين" مشتقة من الكلمة الأجنبية (Assassin - Ḥaššāšīn - al-Hashishiyyun split snaketongue ) التي تعني في بعض اللغات الغربية "القاتل خلسة أو غدرا"، أو "القاتل المحترف المأجور"، وبرر أصحاب هذا التفسير رأيهم بكون أتباع هذه الطائفة احترفوا الاغتيال، وقيل إن الفرنسيين الصليبيين أطلقوا هذه التسمية على الطائفة لأن أتباعها كانوا يفتكون بملوكهم وقادة جيوشهم.

وقد سمي الحشاشون بأسماء أخرى كثيرة، منها الإسماعيلية -لتقارب مذهبهم الذي يدينون به مع طائفة الإسماعيلية- وسموا أيضا بالباطنية والنزارية، وذلك لتأييدهم الإمام الذي ينادون به وهو نزار ابن المستنصر الفاطمي.

وسماهم ابن العديم في كتابه "تاريخ حلب" الملاحدة والحشّيشية، وهو الاسم الأشهر لهم في كتب العرب الأوائل، أمثال جمال الدين الحموي وشمس الدين الذهبي وعبد الرحمن بن خلدون الذي ذكر أنهم لٌقّبوا أيضا بـ"الفداوية" لانتهاجهم أسلوب "العمليات الفدائية" ضد خصومهم.

[strike wolf]

Well, I admittedly thought it would be Ragian or maybe Fusi pushing the hard sell with Kong but apparently I gave the "Pix must be vanilla because he wouldnt drop out as scum" argument too much weight. Son!c and Kong have shown their hand. They're now both trying to push a quick lynch onto me when just yesterday, Kong was acknowledging that today would have to be a day when were very close to a loss and thus careful with our votes. If you don't believe me, believe the posting patterns. Kong was under scrutiny early Day 3 and Day 4 but then he conveniently goes quiet until the pressure fades away only to reappear late day when he can impact the final vote and thus town with it. Now he wants you to believe there is no other choice but to vote me in a game where King is the only confirmed townie. If me and someone else were to vote Dev, would there then be no other choice but to vote Dev? Its a silly argument and a blatant attempt to manipulate.

Son!c has basically even acknowledged that there's no real case. Instead, he's just offering this fantasy of scum playing a perfect game and me and Ragian being the only two players capable of that. Sure scum has played well. Kong's tactics of disappearing has worked as every time there's been a whisper of a case against him, he goes silent and people move on. Or in D4's case, Son!c pushes other cases hard and people abandon the Kong suspicions before they even get the chance to turn into votes.

"Kong is too scummy to be town in this game." Yes, I think you're right about that, Son!c.

I hope it is obvious to the rest of you what's happening here. I am shifting my stance but not voting yet because a vote divided doesn't help. King or Dev. You're the only two I trust fully to be town. I will follow your vote on Son!c or Kong. Rag and Fusi are also strong possibilities but it's become apparent that only one of them is the actual scum and I will not bet the game on a 50/50.

[SoN!c]

Well, I admittedly thought it would be Ragian or maybe Fusi pushing the hard sell with Kong but apparently I gave the "Pix must be vanilla because he wouldnt drop out as scum" argument too much weight. Son!c and Kong have shown their hand. They're now both trying to push a quick lynch onto me when just yesterday, Kong was acknowledging that today would have to be a day when were very close to a loss and thus careful with our votes. If you don't believe me, believe the posting patterns. Kong was under scrutiny early Day 3 and Day 4 but then he conveniently goes quiet until the pressure fades away only to reappear late day when he can impact the final vote and thus town with it. Now he wants you to believe there is no other choice but to vote me in a game where King is the only confirmed townie. If me and someone else were to vote Dev, would there then be no other choice but to vote Dev? Its a silly argument and a blatant attempt to manipulate.

Son!c has basically even acknowledged that there's no real case. Instead, he's just offering this fantasy of scum playing a perfect game and me and Ragian being the only two players capable of that. Sure scum has played well. Kong's tactics of disappearing has worked as every time there's been a whisper of a case against him, he goes silent and people move on. Or in D4's case, Son!c pushes other cases hard and people abandon the Kong suspicions before they even get the chance to turn into votes.

"Kong is too scummy to be town in this game." Yes, I think you're right about that, Son!c.

I hope it is obvious to the rest of you what's happening here. I am shifting my stance but not voting yet because a vote divided doesn't help. King or Dev. You're the only two I trust fully to be town. I will follow your vote on Son!c or Kong. Rag and Fusi are also strong possibilities but it's become apparent that only one of them is the actual scum and I will not bet the game on a 50/50.

It's Strike 100% - he just admitted it sort of speak. I posted just before his only weakness is a technicallity (= autistic disorder kinda sorta actually technically).. ; The correct quote is "Kong is too scummy to be town in this game" with "in this game" in italics meaning it has to flip - He walked right into the autistic kinda sorta autistic technically trap while he is pretending MIA most of the time

[SoN!c]

Madneess!!! But such a fun game!! Never give in guys

[SoN!c]

Look, we town have nothing to go on - so playing dirty is the game here because finishing the game is all.

and Playing dirty is the most fun - in it to win it in. Dirty Harry dirty Sonic whatever.. Im sure scum like's a dirty town play before a town giving up.. and so does town right!!!

It's Strike and 2 scummies will come to his defense

SSSTRIKE SSSPEAKS SSSPARSSSELTONGUE!!!

[SoN!c]

Also

"King or Dev. You're the only two I trust fully to be town."

yeah - because he knows it (he knows who is town and who is scum being scum)


@Dev: believe me brother, thats what im asking here - im asking this in good faith
@King: Vote last but have faith in Pixar and in the King of Soniconica that has returned

...and fallow fields of the Kingdom of Soniconica. ..
Beware LC, for it is prophesied that one day The Sonic shall return to reclaim his birthright ...and then all Heck shall break out.

Sonic energy will save town or die trying - and we town will never give in!! Jajajaaaaaa!

We hit Strike first, then Scum Theatre!! Jajajaaa brothers!! Just go with the fun and then all Heck shall break out on SCUM

[Devante]

What I don't get Sonic even trying to sift through the extra nonsense getting posted is why would you not be voting Kong. You have stuck with him being scum but yet no vote there. Then you both back to back vote Strike. Doesn't look good. I had you as town through most of this but now I'm not sure. If you are scum just find it surprising Pix would have dropped out as scum. Then saying you were going to wait for King then posting a vote regardless. Then voted right away by kong. Nah somethings not right here

[SoN!c]

What I don't get Sonic even trying to sift through the extra nonsense getting posted is why would you not be voting Kong. You have stuck with him being scum but yet no vote there. Then you both back to back vote Strike. Doesn't look good. I had you as town through most of this but now I'm not sure. If you are scum just find it surprising Pix would have dropped out as scum. Then saying you were going to wait for King then posting a vote regardless. Then voted right away by kong. Nah somethings not right here

You have to take a last stand here and remember scum chat is daily chat... so any post thats is made by scum gets read by scum first..

That way all scummy looking posts gets deleted... and adjusted...

Just trust me brother, i will never ask this of you if not true with the history we have

[fusibaseball]

It's a weird combo but Sonic could be the third.

Ragian-Kong-Sonic. Would explain why he turned the tables so hard on Charle yesterday and keeps avoiding that pair.

[kongming3]

Like moths to a flame...

[Ragian]

Like moths to a flame...

Surely, this has to be about yourself. How long did it take for you to follow Sonic?

If Sonic is not scum (and if he is, he has played a blinder in my opinion), he's currently pulling a Charle.

After my blocking Dev, I trust King and him, and with Sonic and Kong voting early, the logical conclusion is that Kong, Sonic, and Fusi are scum. Fusi, however, can't vote before a townie follows the Sonic madness. That would lose them the game.

How do you read this, King and Dev?

[SoN!c]

Fusi-Ragian-Strike explains why town have been hitting nothing but town all game long..

Also, it's very experienced scum play - everybody will have to agree on that even Fusi-Ragian and ssStrike,..Me, Kong, Dev and King are not that experienced..

The scum Theatre ,Fusi going for Ragian and Ragian vice versa is also perfect (very experienced) end game play, making sure one survives either way to win it while confusing town even more.

[Ragian]

Sonic, why did you vote this early?

[Extreme Ways]

Votecount:
Strike wolf: 1 - Sonic, Kong

[strike wolf]

Well, I admittedly thought it would be Ragian or maybe Fusi pushing the hard sell with Kong but apparently I gave the "Pix must be vanilla because he wouldnt drop out as scum" argument too much weight. Son!c and Kong have shown their hand. They're now both trying to push a quick lynch onto me when just yesterday, Kong was acknowledging that today would have to be a day when were very close to a loss and thus careful with our votes. If you don't believe me, believe the posting patterns. Kong was under scrutiny early Day 3 and Day 4 but then he conveniently goes quiet until the pressure fades away only to reappear late day when he can impact the final vote and thus town with it. Now he wants you to believe there is no other choice but to vote me in a game where King is the only confirmed townie. If me and someone else were to vote Dev, would there then be no other choice but to vote Dev? Its a silly argument and a blatant attempt to manipulate.

Son!c has basically even acknowledged that there's no real case. Instead, he's just offering this fantasy of scum playing a perfect game and me and Ragian being the only two players capable of that. Sure scum has played well. Kong's tactics of disappearing has worked as every time there's been a whisper of a case against him, he goes silent and people move on. Or in D4's case, Son!c pushes other cases hard and people abandon the Kong suspicions before they even get the chance to turn into votes.

"Kong is too scummy to be town in this game." Yes, I think you're right about that, Son!c.

I hope it is obvious to the rest of you what's happening here. I am shifting my stance but not voting yet because a vote divided doesn't help. King or Dev. You're the only two I trust fully to be town. I will follow your vote on Son!c or Kong. Rag and Fusi are also strong possibilities but it's become apparent that only one of them is the actual scum and I will not bet the game on a 50/50.

It's Strike 100% - he just admitted it sort of speak. I posted just before his only weakness is a technicallity (= autistic disorder kinda sorta actually technically).. ; The correct quote is "Kong is too scummy to be town in this game" with "in this game" in italics meaning it has to flip - He walked right into the autistic kinda sorta autistic technically trap while he is pretending MIA most of the time

And this is simply bullshit. It is a trap but not one town would use. Its open ended with only Son!c knowing the supposed meaning of the trap. Whatever response or lack of response I gave to it, he'd come up with a different meaning for the italics or the phrasing to make it so the trap "proves I'm scum". It's all just bull shit and manipulation. I'm sure he has another "trap" with the parsel tongue nonsense to make me out to be scum based on this reaction.

If you want a real tell then Son!c can't help but brag a little. Whether it's as town or scum, he has to act as the smartest person in the room. When he says things here like scum is smart or scum has played a perfect game, it's because he's talking about himself and he thinks he's being clever by slipping little compliments to himself while attacking me.

Town should not vote this early when its lylo. Son!c and Kong both know it. Kong even pointed it out yesterday but now hes doing it anyways. They did it to put pressure on town to follow because they only need one person to do so and King has shown himself to be a follower. It's part of why Son!c has been trying to court his favor. It's empty flattery. The same thing Kong did with Vot back on Day 1.

If you want to know why we hasn't been able to lynch scum yet, it's not because of any supposed perfect game. It's because Pix was too inactive (a constant for him so it doesn't stick out) for anyone to push a case on and any time Kong started to get pressure put his way, he'd slink off back into the shadows and let town's attention drift elsewhere. Instead, they want you to believe that I'm the mastermind engineering the lynches but they conveniently omit that the only wagon that I pushed that went through was Swang.

Look, we town have nothing to go on - so playing dirty is the game here because finishing the game is all.

and Playing dirty is the most fun - in it to win it in. Dirty Harry dirty Sonic whatever.. Im sure scum like's a dirty town play before a town giving up.. and so does town right!!!

It's Strike and 2 scummies will come to his defense

SSSTRIKE SSSPEAKS SSSPARSSSELTONGUE!!!

And again manipulation. "2 scum will come to his defense". Son!c is smart enough to know that someone in town will defend me. Whether it's due to their mistrust regarding him or Kong, the natural disagreements in opinion or because they see through the bullshit. It's pretty much always going to happen. Meanwhile the third mafia member (whether it's Fusi or Rag), will also "defend me" to create the illusion of it being due to a scum team coordinating. He's the magician subtly influencing you to pick the card he wants while making you think you picked it yourself. What he won't tell you is that if I was scum then I would 100% be telling my scumbuddies not to defend me. Maybe I would ask 1 to defend me but never both. Again, Son!c knows all of this but he can't tell you it. If he did then he'd have to show you that the cards are all marked and the ruse would become transparent.

[kongming3]

If you're really going to be deliberately obtuse about it, I have to vote you at this point because that first vote has already been made. Should son!c have waited? Maybe, but after he did vote it's more important to just unite behind it as town and not get manipulated by the inevitable long scum posts.

Also, don't think the game you're playing isn't obvious here. You can try to wash your hands of all our lynches, but that's because you can play a game where you deliberately stay away from voting someone you know to be town where true town players don't have that luxury. Even just yesterday, we had a fusi lynch primed and ready (someone you yourself even have claimed you at least suspect to be scum) before you came in as a key part of the defense and subsequent release of fusi in favour of a town lynch. Sure you didn't cast a vote on it, but killing off the alternative with less than two days left doesn't leave a ton of alternatives, and you'd already convinced enough townsfolk including king to waver because we don't have the absolute certainty of scum to know better. Obviously at that point you can choice to not cast a meaningless vote to claim moral high ground and innocence.

[SoN!c]

Like moths to a flame...

Surely, this has to be about yourself. How long did it take for you to follow Sonic?

If Sonic is not scum (and if he is, he has played a blinder in my opinion), he's currently pulling a Charle.

After my blocking Dev, I trust King and him, and with Sonic and Kong voting early, the logical conclusion is that Kong, Sonic, and Fusi are scum. Fusi, however, can't vote before a townie follows the Sonic madness. That would lose them the game.

How do you read this, King and Dev?

How do you read this, King and Dev?
How do you read this, King and Dev?
How do you read this, King and Dev?

King and Dev are the two last townies left.. you left out Strike there Ragian if you say its Fusi, Kong and me..

So it should have been "How do you read this, King, Strike and Dev?"

Ofcourse you know that you don't need to convince Strike as your fellow scummate and you only need to confuse King and Dev.


Also: i know im right because i know im town and -if i was wrong- the game would have ended already. A full day has passed without the scum hammer dropping. One misvote with 3 scummies hammering = the end of the game.

So Strike is per definition 100% sure scum.

Now it only depends on King and Dev following me.

How do you read this, King and Dev?

C'mon guys, if you think im town then you know im right because the scum hammer would have dropped already any other way ending the game - full stop. It's 4 town vs 3 scum..

Strike is 100% scum, if he was not the game would have been over by now. Just believe im town and you come to the same conclusion.

And if you doubt and think im scum ask yourselves this : would i have asked Kong to follow me or would i have asked my third scum mate Fusi to follow me here (as Ragian is saying it's Kong, SoN!c, Fusi) - same goes for Strike or Ragian if you wanna slot one of them as possible third scum for Fusi..

Fusi would have made it more credible then Kong im sure..

The scum hammer not dropping by now = game won if town sticks together = Strike is 100% sure scum = It's Strike - Fusi - Ragian

[Devante]

I want to hear Kings thoughts before I make any vote. What is the deadline right now?

[SoN!c]

I want to hear Kings thoughts before I make any vote. What is the deadline right now?

No deadline yet but look here:

Town MUST lynch correctly. You may NOT switch your votes.

Why? Because I dont want any person to argue that "player X is town because mafia didnt hammer"and then unvote their vote on player X. It's a toxic game trait.

What this means is that your first vote is final, and that if someone votes someone else the only way town can win is if you vote one of those people: [1 misvote from town will lose the game.

Happy hunting!

2 votes are FINAL and NO HAMMER!!!!

[Extreme Ways]

Deadline in a week from now because I said that I would announce them a week in advance and want to keep my word. I dont think the full week is needed though.

[Kingm]

I have felt like 2 of the scum is Fusi and Strike, wanted to go for Fusi first, but since you are insisting Sonic, I will follow.
Probably the wrong move like always, but f*ck it.

vote strike wolf

[SoN!c]

I have felt like 2 of the scum is Fusi and Strike, wanted to go for Fusi first, but since you are insisting Sonic, I will follow.
Probably the wrong move like always, but f*ck it.

vote strike wolf

Not this time!! The HAMMER didn't drop and Fusi, Ragian and Strike were all in here today - all day long - so i already know

(I know you do not know for sure right now because you don't know 100% if im town or not)

So im saying it here: The Game is played - the hammer didn't drop and im 100% town you can be very sure on that! What a game folks!

[Devante]

I'll follow Kings f*ck it. VOTE STRIKE. If wrong then I guess well played scum

[Extreme Ways]

Strike Wolf has died. They were: Mafia

Spoiler

As mentioned before in the OP, Mafia flip without their role shown. It is unknown to town which mafia role Strike was.

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It is now Night. Keep any thoughts about this flip or how this day went to yourself to talk about the next day.

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[strike wolf]

Ultimately no one to blame but myself. Was always a bit too busy to be as active as I wanted and played the game a bit too conservatively