New Briarsburg Mafia. Town Wins! Ga7 wins the premium prize!

[Commander9]

I've been out for pretty much the whole day yesterday and didn't have the chance to read this fully. I'll leave some thoughts later today.

[strike wolf]

Aage, I understand you are upset because we thwarted your mafia kill. Sorry, but we as town want to win. And you have now voted me 6 times. Like I said before, we get the picture.

LMFAO, again. I'm mafia because I don't buy your claim of "oh we're a supergroup and he and he and he and he is mafia"? Or am I mafia because I try to get the person lynched I most defenitely think to be scum? Or am I mafia just because OMGIS? Shut up for once, please. It looks like that lonely superior braincell is also malfunctioning.

Also, it does not at all seem like "we" are getting the picture. You're not the killing role, you're not the protective role, and the only reason for me to believe those two even exist would be trusting your word. Sorry, but I simply am unable to do that. The only reason I can be sure of this kind of group existing is a corpse with a name tag on it. In this case the best way to get that corpse would be to kill you. If you're right (which I doubt) and the scum tried to target you, a) they're a bunch of idiots and b) you shouldn't have mentioned that. Everything you post here is for scum less stuff to find out, even if it's information you think to be unimportant.

Actually with his mouthing off, unwisely I will say, I'd say yeah he had made him a major target for the mafia by introducing that he was part of a group. From what I can tell, this group can, protect, kill and the most probable third action I can think of is investigate as I've seen no evidence of a recruiter within their group. IF this is the case and they are town as most evidence points to them being, despite your tunnel vision, than they are a very important group in this game (I honestly don't know a better group of power roles that could be brought together) and we shouldn't be trying to lynch them off when the majority of evidence supports their case. It does seem like this group is a bit overpowered but I remember Mr. S. having powerful mafia roles in his last game so there's no way of knowing that at this point.

Aage, you got a PR? Or you're just being even more obsessive and monomaniac than usual?

No PR, just trying to make my point. Also, I said I'd do anything to get THM lynched today and I see no reason to break that promise. If THM is town and he thinks he's got the scum all figured out, he's sorely wrong and he'll find out soon enough.

Ok that last part sounded almost ominous. "he thinks he's got the scum all figured out, he's sorely wrong and he'll find out soon enough." This sounds a lot like what Herkman keeps ranting and raving about when he claims he knows who all the scum are. However, the way you're trying to say it with more tact makes me more suspicious of you.

[strike wolf]

Ok. The latest information has me convinced that Aage's interests are not in the best interests of town. I'm going to Unvote Vote Aage. I believe Aage to be scum and the biggest town detractor of the day so far. Seriously aage, either you are scum with serious tunnel vision trying to get what you believe to be a town power role lynched, you are a lyncher and herk's on your table, or you are a severely misguided townie with tunnel vision who can't get his mind off of ways to get herk lynched. You already said it isn't because of any PR night action that caused you to decide to vote herk so it's not because you are a cop of any kind. With all of this information, I just do not see you being of any value to the town.

With that said, pending on what happens to Aage I would still like an investigation on Jace. His association with blake makes him suspicious in my eyes.

[theherkman]

@Strike Wolf - I realize I tend to be quite mouthy, but perhaps I wanted myself to be the target, knowing I could be saved and prevent a mafia NK.

@Aage - I don't think most of that actually deserved a response, but I'm not sure you should be threatening me.

@Everyone - I'm almost worried that Aage might be an overzealous townie. Would scum really be so stupid as to demand a townie PR be lynched? IDK, cause I haven't played any other mafias... Experiences, please?

EDIT - FASTPOSTED by Strike... Jace already posted and defended himself, FYI.

[FloresDelMal]

Blakebowling: Jordan White - Mafia Arsonist (untrackable killer) has been killed!
Day 2 Begins!!!

OMG i cant believe how lucky we are, this was a great night indeed.

You should be keeping an eye on blakebowling. I say that I am have information about a doc and know who two trusted townies are and he votes me... HELLO? Did anyone miss this?

All I seen was you overreacting ONCE AGAIN calling out a single vote on you. A single vote and you call someone for '' trying to call a lynch on you''.

Dude, you're not at l-1..you're a l-a gazibillion votes.

Found this on page 47.

Herk You need to spill now. HTF did you know what was going on...

Herk, its true that you shouldn't put yourself through unneeded danger, but if you have information that proves vital to town (like uncovering scum or protecting a townie close to a lynch) you should spill the beans, but not before that.
oh and BTW FOS aage for try to start a bw on herk without even bothering to put up a case, day 1 is over, and this is not funny anymore.

It seems Blake was trying to throw attention away from a potential scum buddy. Adding that to the fact that Jace and Blake had similar voting patterns through much of the game (both voted Daze at least twice, both voted herk, both voted Lala) I think there is a good chance that Jace and Blake are connected. vote jace

that seems indeed like the best deal with have on our hands this day, well at least for now, vote jace

No Im voting herk because, he seems
A. too active
B. he seems as though he knows a lot, especially about blakebowling.
C. How?

Those are my main questions/statements, as soon as/ if I get satisfying answers then I will change my vote, maybe it might even bring the scum out.

"too active" are you for real? and if he seems to know too much about the scum and hint it, that screams pro-town, right now you seem beyond fishy to me, but get info from jace seems more urgent, so FOS sax

Yes, Jace is suspicious, but for now i will still urge you all to vote theherkman. This dude has been referring to having night kill actions ALL NIGHT, not to mention his pretty. odd behavior yesterday (as in, during D1). If he's the vig, we're better off without him. If he's some other killing role, he should die. Now.

vote theherkman btw.

yeah, i have no doubts that scum will be better off without a vig, you scummy bff of mine heh, seriously how obvious can you be? right now i could be willing to bet that your role is lyncher, tsk tsk

(...)Considering there's only one kill tonight, you think it's possible a mafia member was busdriven? Thus the town busdriver would be taking "revenge"?

it seems like an interesting theory, its true that the busdriver role when well played can be tremendously useful, thought we cant discard the theory of the arsonist hitting a PGO (paranoid gun owner, kill sanyone who visit him) townie, or a vig getting lucky, etc...

With the way things are turning out, I'm worried that aage is not mafia and that haggis and sensfan are... They seem to be protective of Jace...

can you elaborate a bit please, maybe do quotes of them being protective? this does not seems obvious to me.

How are we better off without someone that seems to know who are scum and who could potentially be killing scum off for us? I think if anything we should be protecting Herk because he seems to somehow know more than we do. (Scary huh?)

scary indeed but also spot on

Nobody switched anything. I told you guys that I am part of a town group. We managed to not only kill mafia, but also to protect their intended target. Me! Hehe, we're so gonna win this game.

o sweetheart, stop of making yourself a target for the lol's, you might not get so lucky the next time, and what if someone can day kill ? who will protect you then *sighs*

so it seems like I'm being accused because I happened to vote very similarly to blake. That seems like a weak reason to me. Yeah I voted daze yesterday, but so did a lot of other people. And like I stated when I voted lala, that was more of a prod to get her to play. Don't know why blake voted her as well. I did eventually switch back to daze, but the main reason for that was because of the deadline and because I didn't completely buy her story at the time(and neither did a lot of other people at the time) For a while I had planned on doing prod votes, but like I said, the deadline changed my plans. From what I've seen so far today, vote aage for trying to get everyone to vote off herk.

this argument seems far more convincing to me that anything that aage have brought to the table so unvote vote aage FOS jace

Vote jace there is no substance to a wagon on aage and FoS THM for OMGUS. Herk, while I doubt you are scum I dislike your witch hunt. Every fool gets lucky sometimes.

With Jace, the accusations thrown are quite serious, and they gained a large measure of legitimacy with jace jumping on a wagon to divert attention from himself.

FOS edoc for try to get the heat off aage who was clearly trying to BW a pro-town player (independently of how annoying his omgus are)

FOS violet for the same reason

I am suspicious of others who vote me. ESPECIALLY NOW! The mafia knows I am a townie with a major role and they are upset about not being able to kill me last night. ANYONE who votes for a town power role is, quite frankly, scum.

sweetheart, i do believe you are pro-town, but your paranoia does get annoying, and tiring, and because you have played your accusations quite impulsively, that make way less clear if someone voting you is scum or just a really annoyed townie, you could do a lot for your credibility if you start to hold your OMGUS. (damn i hate being preachy, makes me feel old cant someone else take over the tough love raising of the newbies? )

I'd rather see herkman replaced than lynched for now.

you cant replace someone on grounds of being an overexcited somehow annoying noob that talks too much, if that was possible daze could have been replaced and not lynched, usually you are better than this babe, even when you are a skimming so get your shit together or ask for replacement FOS nag

if a doc heals an insane cop does he become sane?

usually doc's can only save you from being NK

So far you have asked if he has a PR or if he is a PGO. But really I think he just has one massive BM on its way and that is why he has been posting like this...

what exactly is a BM?

You're mafia because the only other explanation for this is that you were dropped on your head repeatedly as a baby but still I don't think it's possible for someone to be SO DUMB.

chu chu i love you you put a smile on my face

[FloresDelMal]

oh my freaking god, i think i broke a record with the lenght of this post, i need to start to read more often

[theherkman]

So far you have asked if he has a PR or if he is a PGO. But really I think he just has one massive BM on its way and that is why he has been posting like this...

what exactly is a BM?

Bowel... Movement...

[spiesr]

Hey, herkman, if you don't mind me asking, what is the in game world justification for your super group being a group? I mean is your group the CIA, the local fire department, a gang of irate hobos?

I'm almost worried that Aage might be an overzealous townie. Would scum really be so stupid as to demand a townie PR be lynched?

Stilling mulling this over myself. Let me know if you find the answer...

[aage]

@Aage - I don't think most of that actually deserved a response, but I'm not sure you should be threatening me.

Oh, his post makes no sense, but I can't be bothered to give arguments because I don't have any, so I'll just make him shut up by saying he's a complete fool.

I don't really see the difference. I answered your questions, and now you just decide to ignore? This is even worse gameplay than I had already anticipated.

I'm almost worried that Aage might be an overzealous townie. Would scum really be so stupid as to demand a townie PR be lynched?

Go to the mafia rules & terms thread and look up PR. It can't possibly mean what you think it means. Please, please, please use the same abbreviations as others or don't use any at all, it seriously is confusing, especially since your posts aren't making sense anyway...

[aage]

So far you have asked if he has a PR or if he is a PGO. But really I think he just has one massive BM on its way and that is why he has been posting like this...

what exactly is a BM?

Bowel... Movement...

Go make that joke in SIB, not here please...

[TheSaxlad]

After reading the pages above:

unovte vote aage

reasons above in the last 3 pages.

[TheSaxlad]

EBWOP, plus the fact that herk convinced me enough to go with what he says.

[edocsil]

Alright, since when is Herk a confirmed townie? This is really beginning to bother me. He did some wacked shit yesterday and is starting it up again today, and when he is presented with a logical argument he flames. And then by magic everyone agrees with him and jumps on his OMGUS wagon

Christ, are you three in this together? I want to do some re reading before I post all my thoughts, but here are a few. FoS Fircoal and Ga7, you are both better players then that and I cannot come to terms as to why you agree with Herk's pathetic arguments. You know full well if you support Herk the others will likely follow your lead and attempt to lynch aage and this causes me great concerns, because while aage has been aggressive in his pursuit of Herk he has had a legitimate case against him. But you just dismiss it all as lyncher tactics and wagon him.

What is going on here?

[strike wolf]

So not much new to say as to whom I suspect but have noticed that Flow520 hasn't really been contributing. One post begging not to be replaced d1 and a post over night.

Edit before post: fastposted again...

[TheSaxlad]

Alright, since when is Herk a confirmed townie? This is really beginning to bother me. He did some wacked shit yesterday and is starting it up again today, and when he is presented with a logical argument he flames. And then by magic everyone agrees with him and jumps on his OMGUS wagon

Christ, are you three in this together? I want to do some re reading before I post all my thoughts, but here are a few. FoS Fircoal and Ga7, you are both better players then that and I cannot come to terms as to why you agree with Herk's pathetic arguments. You know full well if you support Herk the others will likely follow your lead and attempt to lynch aage and this causes me great concerns, because while aage has been aggressive in his pursuit of Herk he has had a legitimate case against him. But you just dismiss it all as lyncher tactics and wagon him.

What is going on here?

Why are you protecting him?
Guys i think we found another mafia waiting to be lynched...

[sensfan]

Ok. I'm all for aage right now because herk is pointing pout random names and saying 'you, you, you and you." you disagree with me so you MUST be scum. herk is just being annoying, just like daze was. maybe herk is town. but he is not contributing to the dsicussion in a town-like way.

So I have 3 questions.

1. Herk, how come everyone that disagees with you must be scum? Why do you challenge aage so roughly? '
2. Why the BW on aage? Because if he is town, you're busted. That's not a smart way to play.
3. Why am I suspicious? I post when I need to post, and when I need to say something. You find everyone very suspicious, which is ridiculous and scum-like.

I will refrain from voting just yet, BUT FOS HERK and EVERYONE THAT IS VOTING AAGE.

Vote count plz.

[Victor Sullivan]

VOTE THEHERKMAN

@theherkman - I must be scum then, right? (You and I both know you're thinking that)
@everyone - this is the ultimate skim test
Well I actually believe theherkman, this was just a test unvote.

I do question aage's logic, but I'm not quite certain enough of his scumminess to jump on the wagon. He did say Day 1 he'd go for you, herk, and you did seem a tad scummy at the time, so it's something of a support for him. As for Jace, his reply seemed legit, but when he then immediately votes for aage disallows me to be confident in his innocence (if he indeed is innocent, of course). I have a question or two for herk and aage, so I can better understand their arguments:

@theherkman:
-Assume you were the first to post today (Day 2). Who would you have voted for?
-Assuming aage is indeed scum, who do you think his scummates are?
@aage:
-What role do you think theherkman has, and what alignment do you think he is?
-Would you quote specific evidence from previous posts as to why you believe this?

-Sully

[spiesr]

Why am I suspicious?

Because your attitude regarding the game appears to be "I post when I need to post, and when I need to say something, in order to avoid being replaced. Beyond this I make no effort to help the town find scum." Some people interpret this to mean that you are attempting to scummariner your way through the game...

[strike wolf]

Sens if you don't get why posting nothing of relevance before today and having made no attempts to find scum than you beed to step back and really reconsider how you play mafia.

[Flow520]

So not much new to say as to whom I suspect but have noticed that Flow520 hasn't really been contributing. One post begging not to be replaced d1 and a post over night.

I'm here. Currently I am torn between voting for aage and holding off for more info. On one hand there has been spirited discussion regarding all the scummy behavior of aage. On the other hand it seems so unbelievable that aage would take such a strong (almost suicidal) stance against someone that many believe to be pro-town (theherkman). Is aage operating on a specific piece of information about theherkman? I couldn't find anything so I'm assuming not. But barring a more specific claim by aage against theherkman, my vote is leaning towards aage.

If theherkman was responsible in some part for the town NK last night, I believe that theherkman has to be part of a pro-town group because (as several have pointed out) it is unlikely that a single player would be given so much power. Since no one is coming forward with specific information to the contrary about theherkman, I'm fine with believing theherkman for now.
That being said, I am really scratching my head as to why it is that no one has come forward with specific information about being in a pro-town group with theherkman. As pointed out earlier, it would be really helpful if theherkman would give us more information or even the name/classification of his group. Granted, I can certainly understand his argument about not revealing the members of his group, but I just feel that we need more proof. I'm leaning towards the group being more a non-recruiting mason type deal. (Again, I'm not the first person to think along these lines.)
Then again, I can also certainly understand that one should not give out information unless it serves a purpose. Right now I think enough of us believe that theherkman is pro-town that he is safe. An if the rest of that group is silent, then they are also pretty safe.
Though just to note, I dont want anyone thinking I'm scummy just because I want a bit more proof that theherkman is part of this pro-town super-league.
Aage's near suicidal actions just make me think that aage is holding out on a specific piece of info on theherkman. That being said, without any such claim, I believe theherkman.

Flow

[naxus]

for one. THM is once again full of alot of fluff. Today his fluff is a little less and arguments are seeping through but Damn man.

I agree with Flow and Strike( I think it was you) that we need to know his group name/classification or whatever.

With a game this big, its not nearly so simple as Town V Mafia. While those two are the prominent factions, there could be quite a few factions. These could be multiple mafias, cult, survivor groups and lonely third party. So while yes we killed someone evil last night, thats not to say they were mafia but could've been one of many different factions.

Aage while your agrument seems strange im still suspicious of THM. FOS AAGE and HERK

[aage]

I have a question or two for herk and aage, so I can better understand their arguments:

@theherkman:
-Assume you were the first to post today (Day 2). Who would you have voted for?
-Assuming aage is indeed scum, who do you think his scummates are?
@aage:
-What role do you think theherkman has, and what alignment do you think he is?
-Would you quote specific evidence from previous posts as to why you believe this?

I'll gladly answer them.

- As I already pointed out, I think THM is either a third party player or team, since I don't believe that town gets all their power roles concentrated on one select group of individuals. And I certainly don't believe this group to be led by the noob I see in front of me.
- I could, but you could also stop skimming yourself and read every post I've made today. THM has been saying "Oh, I'm 100% sure that so and so is scum" while the discussion hadn't even started yet, he claims to be 100% sure of DazeRazer's scumness before she is lynched and then accuses other players of being scum because they voted for Daze. This is not the kind of posts I expect from a town player, especially if that player is the "spokesperson of the supertowngroup". If his grand team is as great as he implies they are, they must have told him to shut up at least 5.000 times. So either the team sucks, which is improbable since there's so many good players in this game that would say exactly that to THM; or his team is trying but he simply isn't listening, in which case I would like to see a second spokesperson instead of THM, who is not up for the job, but since I haven't seen anyone yet this is not an option I am considering; or he's a lying scumster with no team at all.

Is that enough?

[edocsil]

Sax, I defend aage because the logic used against him is terrible, If you are looking at me for a scum because of that you are a poor scum hunter indeed. Nothing pisses me off more then a wild accusation during a witch hunt. If there was a more solid case against aage it would be good to look to those who defend him for scum, if and only if when he was lynched he turned out to be scum. unless both of those conditions are met you accusations against me are baseless.

[naxus]

Someone remind what Herks claim was as i dont want to search 40 odd pages to find it please

[aage]

He hasn't claimed. Probably because he's afraid of the RoleClaimKiller he came up with.