Beckytheblondie wrote:In response to thread:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p2332321
Are you seriously comparing the "Angel of Death" to Harry Truman? Truman made a war maneuver to ensure victory. Mengele personally experimented on humans because he was
impelled by their religion, heritage or "perceived abnormalities"
The United States won the war, had they lost the war and Germany won, History would remember things differently, History is subjective and written by the winners. My real point is that this is a gaming site predicated on a board game based upon world domination, what if I had chosen the user name Joseph Stalin? Obviously someone can make an argument that he was the devil, and yet there are still russians who feel he was a great man, depends on who you talk to.
Re: User Dr. Mengele
Postby the.killing.44 on Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:47 pm
I've accepted he is an anti-Semite or neo-Nazi and I am just ignoring him.
I am neither, and that is a close minded thing to say, the problem with political correct culture we live in is that if if you say something that doesnt go along with the staus quo, you get labeled as such and it discourages open discussion and freedom of speech, I have said nothing offensive or untrue, and yet the.killing.44 has labeled me incorrectly.
My real comparison was to two different forms of attrocities I do not condone nor try to explain the actions of Truman or Mengele, I would be foolish to think that it could even be discussed intelligently or thoroughly in a few posts. But for Beckythe Blondie to take a holier than thou attitude towards Truman and the USA, is Naive and sophomorish.
I suppose that Becky is more than willing to ignore or turn a blind eye to the fact that United states ran their own human experiments starting back in 1932, before Mengele got started, and continued until 1972, thats 40 years of human experimentation with out full consent. I talk about the Tuskegee syphilis experiment.
By 1947 penicillin had become the standard treatment for syphilis. Choices might have included treating all syphilitic subjects and closing the study, or splitting off a control group for testing with penicillin. Instead, the Tuskegee scientists continued the study, withholding penicillin and information about it from the patients. In addition, scientists prevented participants from accessing syphilis treatment programs available to others in the area.
The Tuskegee Syphilis Study, was the most infamous biomedical research study in U.S. history.
For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.
The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”
When the experiment was brought to the attention of the media in 1972, news anchor Harry Reasoner described it as an experiment that “used human beings as laboratory animals in a long and inefficient study of how long it takes syphilis to kill someone.”
"The United States government did something that was wrong—deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens... clearly racist."
—President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997
