Conquer Club

Here's a brief clip about the history of gun control (3:30), including some shocking results from Australias first year of strict control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP59nRBnA84 w/music and pictures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_1r6aUJofM just statistics

http:

I am curious as to, all things considered, how much weight the community would lend to the credence of this statement...

The Second Amendment of the US constitution was fundamental in gaining victory for the allies in WWII

I am very against excessive gun control, but I refuse to have a gun in my home. Wrap your mind around that.

Personal choice?..

rockfist wrote:I am very against excessive gun control, but I refuse to have a gun in my home. Wrap your mind around that.

whats your address?

I'm a former powerlifter and mixed marshal arts competitor who still works out. Bring a gun if you are coming for me.

rockfist wrote:I'm a former powerlifter and mixed marshal arts competitor who still works out. Bring a gun if you are coming for me.

I never burglarize a house without one

They didn't cover Zombie Apocalypse. Don't worry, I will:

can i ask about the shocking results for Australia since we brought in gun controls in the mid 90's?

My bandwith is down to slow for a couple more days and youtube videos take too long at the moment....

radiojake wrote:can i ask about the shocking results for Australia since we brought in gun controls in the mid 90's?

My bandwith is down to slow for a couple more days and youtube videos take too long at the moment....

crime rates, way up. one i remember was, in the state of victoria alone, murder by gun(something like that) is up 300% in the first year

I was careful enough to point out in the opening thread, their new "strict" gun control enforcement.

Phatscotty wrote:

radiojake wrote:can i ask about the shocking results for Australia since we brought in gun controls in the mid 90's?

My bandwith is down to slow for a couple more days and youtube videos take too long at the moment....

crime rates, way up. one i remember was, in the state of victoria alone, murder by gun(something like that) is up 300% in the first year

When the number is very small to begin with, it's very easy for outrageous number like 300% to come up - Going from 10 deaths to 30 would be 300%, but that's only an increase of 20 deaths (i'm not sure if that is the real number, but it wouldnt be far off)

Also, in Melbourne over the past 10 years, we had a whole lotta 'gangster wannabes' drug dealer retards shooting the shit out of each other - These guys were actually retarded because they would come into a coffee shop thats crowded and shot each other - They thought they were in the Godfather - They're all dead or in jail now. But a fair percentage of gun deaths in Victoria would be because of these retards - (Unfortunatly, they have been glamourised in some awful tv mini-series.. but whatever)

You can take the stats however you want, but I know I feel mighty safe in my house, and I don't have a gun for protection, because I'm not worried about everyone else having a gun (because for the most part, no one else has them) -

radiojake wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

radiojake wrote:can i ask about the shocking results for Australia since we brought in gun controls in the mid 90's?

My bandwith is down to slow for a couple more days and youtube videos take too long at the moment....

crime rates, way up. one i remember was, in the state of victoria alone, murder by gun(something like that) is up 300% in the first year

When the number is very small to begin with, it's very easy for outrageous number like 300% to come up - Going from 10 deaths to 30 would be 300%, but that's only an increase of 20 deaths (i'm not sure if that is the real number, but it wouldnt be far off)
-

the number very small to begin with? hmmmmmmmm

Either way, since gun control has been brought it, we haven't had a repeat, or even had anything close to it, of this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthu ... Australia)

Unfortunately, the same can't be said for the US.


This was the event that triggered (mind the pun!) the Australian Government into bringing in gun control via the 'Gun Buy Back Scheme' -

You can live with a gun in every house if you want, but I rather like not worrying about guns being everywhere.

hey i just found this -

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp


It won't let me copy & paste anything - but the opening letter sounds a lot like the stats you got from those youtube videos..

Phatscotty wrote:
I am curious as to, all things considered, how much weight the community would lend to the credence of this statement...

The Second Amendment of the US constitution was fundamental in gaining victory for the allies in WWII

Absolutely none? That statement seems comepletly absurd, do you have any of the reasoning behind it?

In Canada guns are quite heavily restricted, you require permits to own them, you can only own certain types, and the sizes of the magazines are restricted. However our gun control regime is somewhat hampered as gangs and the like can easily smugle them in from the US. Also some of our gun laws are quite idiotic, for example we make people register their hunting rifles and shotguns as well. These could be very low caliber one shot wepons that would'nt be very usefull for the kind of thing the law is supposed to prevent.

Baron Von PWN wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:
I am curious as to, all things considered, how much weight the community would lend to the credence of this statement...

The Second Amendment of the US constitution was fundamental in gaining victory for the allies in WWII

Absolutely none? That statement seems comepletly absurd, do you have any of the reasoning behind it?

In Canada guns are quite heavily restricted, you require permits to own them, you can only own certain types, and the sizes of the magazines are restricted. However our gun control regime is somewhat hampered as gangs and the like can easily smugle them in from the US. Also some of our gun laws are quite idiotic, for example we make people register their hunting rifles and shotguns as well. These could be very low caliber one shot wepons that would'nt be very usefull for the kind of thing the law is supposed to prevent.

yes, I do. And I will be able to state it very simply. Why was the USA never invaded? What kind of advantage do you have when your main forces can be on the attack with nothing to defend in the homeland? I guess, as you have indidacated, if you don't think USA entering WW2 had anything special to do with the victory, then this point might won't be accepted by you.

Another way to say it, IF either Japan or Germany had invaded USA, that no doubt would have restricted the number of troops we are able to deploy. That would not have helped your Mother Russia very much, considering it was D-day that allowed Russia to gain her breath as millions lied dead in front of the gates of Moscow, and eventually turn the tide. (because Germany was similarly no longer able to put all its efforts into Russia) i.e. defend their territory.
The Reason we weren't invaded, admittedly by the would be invaders, is because .....

DEY GOT GUNZ

which i will further point out, is because of the second amendment.
You should be able to think these things out for yourself, but if your history is inaccurate, GL with life

Either way, it's a simple point.

Baron Von PWN wrote: However our gun control regime is somewhat hampered as gangs and the like can easily smugle them in from the US.

Number one reason as to why the "look at Washington they got HUGE CRIME" argument is dumb. If smuggling guns over the border is easy it will happen especially if it's just a state-border.

Phatscotty wrote: yes, I do. And I will be able to state it very simply. Why was the USA never invaded?

Because it was on the other side of the world for the germans and still pretty far for Japan?


Dumbest thing ever.

Phatscotty wrote:

Baron Von PWN wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:
I am curious as to, all things considered, how much weight the community would lend to the credence of this statement...

The Second Amendment of the US constitution was fundamental in gaining victory for the allies in WWII

Absolutely none? That statement seems comepletly absurd, do you have any of the reasoning behind it?

In Canada guns are quite heavily restricted, you require permits to own them, you can only own certain types, and the sizes of the magazines are restricted. However our gun control regime is somewhat hampered as gangs and the like can easily smugle them in from the US. Also some of our gun laws are quite idiotic, for example we make people register their hunting rifles and shotguns as well. These could be very low caliber one shot wepons that would'nt be very usefull for the kind of thing the law is supposed to prevent.

yes, I do. And I will be able to state it very simply. Why was the USA never invaded? What kind of advantage do you have when your main forces can be on the attack with nothing to defend in the homeland? I guess, as you have indidacated, if you don't think USA entering WW2 had anything special to do with the victory, then this point might won't be accepted by you.

A schmuck with a revolver isin't going to stop a panzer. I think the real reason might be due to something called geography, you know those two big oceans. Also the US was never invaded so how could the "armed" populace have contributed to victory? I'm very suspicious of what a bunch of random civies with random wepons could acomplish against an organized military force with acess to tanks, machine guns, artilery and military aircraft.

Also I beleive some alaskan Islands were berifly occupied by the japanese (though these were pretty worthless).

I never said the US was irellevent only that they were not the main factor contributing to allied victory. Think of the allies as a three legged stool, without one of the legs it's bound to fall, but you can't realy say one leg is more important than the other.

Snorri1234 wrote:

Phatscotty wrote: yes, I do. And I will be able to state it very simply. Why was the USA never invaded?

Because it was on the other side of the world for the germans and still pretty far for Japan?


Dumbest thing ever.

Germany was equally on the other side of the world from America. Didnt stop us from invading them.
thought process fail

dumbest thing ever

Baron Von PWN wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Baron Von PWN wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:
I am curious as to, all things considered, how much weight the community would lend to the credence of this statement...

The Second Amendment of the US constitution was fundamental in gaining victory for the allies in WWII

Absolutely none? That statement seems comepletly absurd, do you have any of the reasoning behind it?

In Canada guns are quite heavily restricted, you require permits to own them, you can only own certain types, and the sizes of the magazines are restricted. However our gun control regime is somewhat hampered as gangs and the like can easily smugle them in from the US. Also some of our gun laws are quite idiotic, for example we make people register their hunting rifles and shotguns as well. These could be very low caliber one shot wepons that would'nt be very usefull for the kind of thing the law is supposed to prevent.

yes, I do. And I will be able to state it very simply. Why was the USA never invaded? What kind of advantage do you have when your main forces can be on the attack with nothing to defend in the homeland? I guess, as you have indidacated, if you don't think USA entering WW2 had anything special to do with the victory, then this point might won't be accepted by you.

A schmuck with a revolver isin't going to stop a panzer. I think the real reason might be due to something called geography, you know those two big oceans.

Oh, I see. the same geography, uh, 2 oceans, that America crossed? That's the silliest thing I've ever heard in my life. They declared war on us, yet they could never.....cross those uncrossable geographical phenomenons....... known as those 2 oceans? Do you see how dumb that is? I don't believe you are this stupid, which is why I'm blaming it on your biased against America.

Phatscotty wrote:

Baron Von PWN wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:
I am curious as to, all things considered, how much weight the community would lend to the credence of this statement...

The Second Amendment of the US constitution was fundamental in gaining victory for the allies in WWII

Absolutely none? That statement seems comepletly absurd, do you have any of the reasoning behind it?

In Canada guns are quite heavily restricted, you require permits to own them, you can only own certain types, and the sizes of the magazines are restricted. However our gun control regime is somewhat hampered as gangs and the like can easily smugle them in from the US. Also some of our gun laws are quite idiotic, for example we make people register their hunting rifles and shotguns as well. These could be very low caliber one shot wepons that would'nt be very usefull for the kind of thing the law is supposed to prevent.

yes, I do. And I will be able to state it very simply. Why was the USA never invaded? What kind of advantage do you have when your main forces can be on the attack with nothing to defend in the homeland? I guess, as you have indidacated, if you don't think USA entering WW2 had anything special to do with the victory, then this point might won't be accepted by you.

I think you might want to rethink your logic and/or state your point more clearly. I'm against most measures of gun control, and I can't even follow your line of reasoning

As for this:

The Second Amendment of the US constitution was fundamental in gaining victory for the allies in WWII

What on earth does the US's Second Amendment have to do with the Allied victory? Canada has no Second Amendment, and our soldiers fought the Axis just fine, nor were we invaded. The last people to invade our country were you Americans back in the War of 1812 before we chased you back to your white house and burned it

Ray Rider wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Baron Von PWN wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:
I am curious as to, all things considered, how much weight the community would lend to the credence of this statement...

The Second Amendment of the US constitution was fundamental in gaining victory for the allies in WWII

Absolutely none? That statement seems comepletly absurd, do you have any of the reasoning behind it?

In Canada guns are quite heavily restricted, you require permits to own them, you can only own certain types, and the sizes of the magazines are restricted. However our gun control regime is somewhat hampered as gangs and the like can easily smugle them in from the US. Also some of our gun laws are quite idiotic, for example we make people register their hunting rifles and shotguns as well. These could be very low caliber one shot wepons that would'nt be very usefull for the kind of thing the law is supposed to prevent.

yes, I do. And I will be able to state it very simply. Why was the USA never invaded? What kind of advantage do you have when your main forces can be on the attack with nothing to defend in the homeland? I guess, as you have indidacated, if you don't think USA entering WW2 had anything special to do with the victory, then this point might won't be accepted by you.

I think you might want to rethink your logic and/or state your point more clearly. I'm against most measures of gun control, and I can't even follow your line of reasoning

As for this:

The Second Amendment of the US constitution was fundamental in gaining victory for the allies in WWII

What on earth does the US's Second Amendment have to do with the Allied victory? Canada has no Second Amendment, and our soldiers fought the Axis just fine, nor were we invaded. The last people to invade our country were you Americans back in the War of 1812 before we chased you back to your white house and burned it

they didnt invade cuz we have guns, cuz of the second amendment. follow that? you sure?

Phatscotty wrote: they didnt invade cuz we have guns, cuz of the second amendment. follow that? you sure?

They didn't invade Canada and we have no second amendment. follow that? you sure?

Ray Rider wrote:

Phatscotty wrote: they didnt invade cuz we have guns, cuz of the second amendment. follow that? you sure?

They didn't invade Canada and we have no second amendment. follow that? you sure?

And I quote

The Second Amendment

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

Check and mate. you follow that?

sharpen up your facts before you go on commenting on certain subjects and making fools of yourselves.