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Liberal media! Gotcha journalism!

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Really sad that these tea party nuts, who supposedly will defend the Constitution to the death, can't even respect basic freedom of speech.

Yeesh.

mpNYRB wrote:Liberal media! Gotcha journalism!

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Really sad that these tea party nuts, who supposedly will defend the Constitution to the death, can't even respect basic freedom of speech.

I know right? Its like that guy who walked through the tea party crowd with the "Public Option" sign and basically got mobbed.

Idiocy all around. Proves only that every group has them.. and that the media would far rather push that stuff than the real issues.

PLAYER57832 wrote:Idiocy all around. Proves only that every group has them.. and that the media would far rather push that stuff than the real issues.

I'm extremely happy you typed this (and not something like, "Yeah, those Tea Partiers are all hooligans.") It's disgusting and those men should be arrested, but it is not indicative of the entire group (nor should it be).

thegreekdog wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Idiocy all around. Proves only that every group has them.. and that the media would far rather push that stuff than the real issues.

I'm extremely happy you typed this (and not something like, "Yeah, those Tea Partiers are all hooligans.") It's disgusting and those men should be arrested, but it is not indicative of the entire group (nor should it be).

I know it's wrong for me to paint them all as nuts. But the leaders of the movement are, and these people are.

When its the founding leader of the Tea Party holding up this sign its that Tea Party group and not the rest of the groups.
When its a Tea Party politician going on anti-masturbation rants or speaking out against protected civil rights in private institutions or denying that the Constitution mentions anything about the issue of church and state, it's that politician and not the rest of them.
When its the common people with similar racist/Obama the witch doctor/socialism is nigh signs and beating those who oppose them and voting for said politicians, it's those people and not all of them.

How far does it go? It's not all and I know that well enough. But if so many the people at the top make these kinds of comments and so many incidents involving group members make national news (whether it's overdone or not), those who really, truly disagreed with such beliefs would have cut off ties the Tea Party already.

Not to be the devil's barrister, but I have no problem with this at all.

Violence and politics are, and have always been, inextricably linked. Anyone who doesn't believe that is utterly delusional. The mere act of voting is an act of violence; it's the empowerment of a group to use police power - guns, clubs, etc. - to enforce your will on the minority.

The people who support the pig Obama are weak. Perhaps not weak in numbers or motivation, but weak in raw strength. They are disarmed lambs who will wilt at the first sign of confrontation. The people who oppose him are powerful. This is a symbolic demonstration of their virility; an opponent laying prone on the ground, utterly unable to even shield herself let alone fight back. By humiliating her they have sent a message to those like her to put-up or shut-up.

The MoveOn gang is a group of stuttering apologists for the institutional left who will blindly follow the great pig as he votes away freedoms through FISA, as he continues his wars of global aggression, as he makes no effort to end the occupation of Korea, as he fights to suppress LGBT civil rights and as he orders extra-judicial executions. It seems only fair that they would be subject to some of the same extra-judicial violence they're supporting through their endorsement of the pig Obama's sycophants. No really important change has ever occurred without raw muscle to back it up.

I'm clearly on the opposite side of the political spectrum as the so-called Tea Party but I found this video inspiring.

mpNYRB wrote:
I know it's wrong for me to paint them all as nuts.(BUT I WILL ANYWAY) But the leaders of the movement are, and these people are. (YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT)

When its the founding leader of the Tea Party holding up this sign(THAT'S THE "FOUNDING LEADER OF THE TEA PARTY" ?????? I THINK NOT!) its that Tea Party group and not the rest of the groups.
When its a Tea Party politician going on anti-masturbation rants or speaking out against protected civil rights in private institutions or denying that the Constitution mentions anything about the issue of church and state, it's that politician and not the rest of them.
When its the common people with similar racist/Obama the witch doctor/socialism is nigh signs and beating those who oppose them and voting for said politicians, it's those people and not all of them.

How far does it go? It's not all and I know that well enough. But if so many the people at the top make these kinds of comments and so many incidents involving group members make national news (whether it's overdone or not), those who really, truly disagreed with such beliefs would have cut off ties the Tea Party already.

FAIL!


WATCH THESE AND WEEP!


Found THIS CLIP and is it soooooo telling!


Oh and don't let the dems see THIS ONE!

Baron Von PWN wrote:http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/male-rand-paul-supporter-stomps-head-of-female-moveon-member-outside-debate.php

Brings new perspective to that Don't Tread On Me flag...

Notice how as soon as the guy did that stupid move, the other supporters immediately told him to stop? I didn't see any egging on or support for that action. For some reason, this didn't happen in places like St. Louis where SEIU members attacked a black man and didn't stop until outside people got involved. Furthermore, their statements indicated that the woman was trying to rush Paul (or someone else) and the crowd stopped her, which is why the scuffle occurred in the first place.

jay_a2j wrote:this sign(THAT'S THE "FOUNDING LEADER OF THE TEA PARTY" ?????? I THINK NOT!)

That is Dale Robertson, the founder and former President of the Tea Party and Tea Party.org. You don't even know your own movement and have to resort to yelling and saying nothing of substance. Just like everyone in your movement. I'm not elitist. I'm just trying to use facts instead of just accepting the will of the big business and Christian fundamentalism and whatever you want to call Glenn Beck (he's called himself a "right wing populist" - the textbook definition of a fascist. But what do I know? Those textbooks are pinko-Islamic-lefty-Nazi-socialist books right?).

Your movement is full of sh*t. All of it. No grassroots, all big business funded rallies. Keep denying the racist elements. I could go to ten times as many Youtube videos of incidents of racism at these rallies. A tea party member saying otherwise means nothing.

Your politicians are full of shi*t. All of them. They're most incompetent bunch ever seen in American history. They have yet to say a word on foreign policy and many times have said things that go against the Constitution, the very document your Tea Party defends to the death. Back on the racism topic, Rand Paul, your championed politician, is against civil rights in private institutions and said so on television.

You don't know what you're talking about.

mpNYRB wrote:That is Dale Robertson, the founder and former President of the Tea Party and Tea Party.org. You don't even know your own movement and have to resort to yelling and saying nothing of substance.

1. There is no organisation called "The Tea Party" anymore than there is an organisation called "the Civil Rights Movement." There is no "President" of "the Civil Rights Movement."
2. The "founder" of the "Tea Party movement" is generally considered to be either the Illinois Libertarian Party or Keli Carender, a teacher from Seattle.

saxitoxin wrote:

mpNYRB wrote:That is Dale Robertson, the founder and former President of the Tea Party and Tea Party.org. You don't even know your own movement and have to resort to yelling and saying nothing of substance.

1. There is no organisation called "The Tea Party" anymore than there is an organisation called "the Civil Rights Movement." There is no "President" of "the Civil Rights Movement."
2. The "founder" of the "Tea Party movement" is generally considered to be either the Illinois Libertarian Party or Keli Carender, a teacher from Seattle.

His website refers to his organization as "The Tea Party." So yes there is an organization named "The Tea Party" and he is the founder of such an organization. If I were to refer a Mark Williams calling Allah a "monkey God" and apologizing to Hindus after for insulting their "real Monkey God, I would have said he was the Tea Party Express leader.

mpNYRB wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

mpNYRB wrote:That is Dale Robertson, the founder and former President of the Tea Party and Tea Party.org. You don't even know your own movement and have to resort to yelling and saying nothing of substance.

1. There is no organisation called "The Tea Party" anymore than there is an organisation called "the Civil Rights Movement." There is no "President" of "the Civil Rights Movement."
2. The "founder" of the "Tea Party movement" is generally considered to be either the Illinois Libertarian Party or Keli Carender, a teacher from Seattle.

His website refers to his organization as "The Tea Party." So yes there is an organization named "The Tea Party" and he is the founder of such an organization.

If I shit in a box and called it marzipan, would you eat it?

saxitoxin wrote:

mpNYRB wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

mpNYRB wrote:That is Dale Robertson, the founder and former President of the Tea Party and Tea Party.org. You don't even know your own movement and have to resort to yelling and saying nothing of substance.

1. There is no organisation called "The Tea Party" anymore than there is an organisation called "the Civil Rights Movement." There is no "President" of "the Civil Rights Movement."
2. The "founder" of the "Tea Party movement" is generally considered to be either the Illinois Libertarian Party or Keli Carender, a teacher from Seattle.

His website refers to his organization as "The Tea Party." So yes there is an organization named "The Tea Party" and he is the founder of such an organization.

If I were to shit in a box and call it marzipan, would you eat it?

I could tell the difference between your shit and marzipan. I can't tell the difference between his group and any of the other groups.

mpNYRB wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

mpNYRB wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

mpNYRB wrote:That is Dale Robertson, the founder and former President of the Tea Party and Tea Party.org. You don't even know your own movement and have to resort to yelling and saying nothing of substance.

1. There is no organisation called "The Tea Party" anymore than there is an organisation called "the Civil Rights Movement." There is no "President" of "the Civil Rights Movement."
2. The "founder" of the "Tea Party movement" is generally considered to be either the Illinois Libertarian Party or Keli Carender, a teacher from Seattle.

His website refers to his organization as "The Tea Party." So yes there is an organization named "The Tea Party" and he is the founder of such an organization.

If I were to shit in a box and call it marzipan, would you eat it?

I could tell the difference between your shit and marzipan. I can't tell the difference between his group and any of the other groups.

that sounds like your problem

Just to re-emphasize what I said, this is starting to get what real "change" and real revolution looks like, not some neatly packaged, slick Madison Avenue logo, Facebook messages, latte-runs en route to the tidy little caucus meeting and all that garbage. Hope we see some more of this.

My sister, phoneutria nigriventer toxin-3 (yes, we are talking again - DONT' ASK!), made one of her dumb movies about this incident ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iiu_VacIGlU

We're on the same side bud. Maybe I should've made my views more clear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PASOK

mpNYRB wrote:We're on the same side bud. Maybe I should've made my views more clear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PASOK

I don't know that we are and I'm not sure you did.

TROLL FIGHT!

saxitoxin wrote:

mpNYRB wrote:We're on the same side bud. Maybe I should've made my views more clear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PASOK

I don't know that we are and I'm not sure you did.

Well that depends on how much international coverage the riots in my country got and whether your signature is to be taken seriously.

mpNYRB wrote:I know it's wrong for me to paint them all as nuts. But the leaders of the movement are, and these people are.

When its the founding leader of the Tea Party holding up this sign its that Tea Party group and not the rest of the groups.
When its a Tea Party politician going on anti-masturbation rants or speaking out against protected civil rights in private institutions or denying that the Constitution mentions anything about the issue of church and state, it's that politician and not the rest of them.
When its the common people with similar racist/Obama the witch doctor/socialism is nigh signs and beating those who oppose them and voting for said politicians, it's those people and not all of them.

How far does it go? It's not all and I know that well enough. But if so many the people at the top make these kinds of comments and so many incidents involving group members make national news (whether it's overdone or not), those who really, truly disagreed with such beliefs would have cut off ties the Tea Party already.

This is rather disturbing really. You use a very broad brush with so little evidence. As some have already pointed out, this gentleman did not "found the Tea Party" and there is no "Tea Party" party per se (or at least I don't identify with that particular party). Further, you use the following terms: "the common people," "so many [sic] people at the top," "so many incidents involving group members." Where has your information come from that there are many people who are racist, assaulters, etc.? As far as I can tell, there have been a few isolated incidents.

As for your final statements, I disagree with the acts of certain Tea Party protestors vis-a-vis racism and assaults. I also disagree with certain Tea Party protestors' views on social issues. However, I agree with much of what the Tea Party protestors stand for, especially with respect to economic issues, which are most imporant to me.

If I were to provide evidence that certain members of the Republican Party or the Democratic Party or the ACLU or the NAACP made racist statements or assaulted people or made horribly tasteless statements, would you cut off ties with these groups (assuming you're a member of one of these groups)? President Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and others have made some pretty ignorant and horrible statements and have done some horrible things as part of the Republican Party. Shall we leave this party? President Obama, Vice President Biden, Secretary of State Clinton, former President Clinton and others have made some pretty ignorant and horrible statements and have done some horrible things as part of the Democratic Party. Shall we leave this party? Perhaps you get my point, or perhaps not. I suspect if it's the latter it's because there is so much more visible evidence of this sort of thing on the news right now. And my question to you is - why do you think that is? Could it be because the Republicans (trying to co-opt the Tea Party movement) and the Democrats (trying to illegitimize the Tea Party movement) are afraid of what this movement means for the incumbents (whether Republican or Democrat)? Yes, that is the reason you're seeing this every month. It does not excuse the actions of these men in this instance, but please keep these things in mind.

mpNYRB wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

mpNYRB wrote:We're on the same side bud. Maybe I should've made my views more clear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PASOK

I don't know that we are and I'm not sure you did.

Well that depends on how much international coverage the riots in my country got and whether your signature is to be taken seriously.

you posted a link to some flacid, centre-left "Social Democrat" party with the cock of NATO planted so firmly in its mouth it can barely manage a muffled "more"

my interest in the whining, spoiled brats of PASOK is minimal; my interest in the heroes of the November 17 Organisation is maximal

The Insect has no ideology. I'll gladly support any display of strength against it, whether from the left or the right. Bravo to the street fighters for putting this apologetic enabler on her knees in front of someone other than the pig Obama.

What's ironic is that one of them was wearing a "don't tread on me" button.

Still though, wtf. Don't people realize that this shit loses votes?