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Well, at least the lawmakers we elected into the House of Representatives aren't trying to attach any riders to the budget that are THE ROOT CAUSE for the shutdown to happen: http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OM ... Riders.pdf

Can't find the places to cut, my ass.

Don't you mean imminent?

Woodruff wrote:Well, at least the lawmakers we elected into the House of Representatives aren't trying to attach any riders to the budget that are THE ROOT CAUSE for the shutdown to happen: http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OM ... Riders.pdf

Yes, I'm sure your world will crumble without all that bullshit. And another nice Soros-funded, fair and balanced, organization link.

If I didn't have an ex-navy lib-loon in my family I'd be tempted to think you were a bot and not just a parrot.

The government is more shut down on a national holiday than when the government shuts down. suck it up.

And I don't see anything wrong... just skimming, though.

Mr_Adams wrote:The government is more shut down on a national holiday than when the government shuts down.

Yeah. Let's see....they're gonna lockout non-essential workers.

Why the f*ck are we paying for no-essential workers to begin with?

HapSmo19 wrote:

Mr_Adams wrote:The government is more shut down on a national holiday than when the government shuts down.

Yeah. Let's see....they're gonna lockout non-essential workers.

Why the f*ck are we paying for no-essential workers to begin with?

That is beyond me...

HapSmo19 wrote:

Mr_Adams wrote:The government is more shut down on a national holiday than when the government shuts down.

Yeah. Let's see....they're gonna lockout non-essential workers.

Why the f*ck are we paying for no-essential workers to begin with?

Non-essential workers include those who work for network security. I can't imagine what else could be included in that.

maasman wrote:Don't you mean imminent?

How dare you question Woodruff. He iz A teecher.

For clarification non-essential = non military + non national security + non jack booted federal agents + non aircraft controllers.

jefjef wrote:

maasman wrote:Don't you mean imminent?

How dare you question Woodruff. He iz A teecher.

For clarification non-essential = non military + non national security + non jack booted federal agents + non aircraft controllers.

Which is why schools and post offices are still running, Social Security is still running, etc.

GreecePwns wrote:Non-essential workers include those who work for network security.

Who's network?

My first thought was that it should be "imminent" and not "eminent". My second thought was that I have no idea what that pdf is about and could use a little background explanation.

The president and Congress (Republicans and Democrats) all have a vested interest in keeping the government from shutting down. That's why I think a deal is imminent (rather than a shutdown). I've been wrong before.

Also - people want their tax refunds.

HapSmo19 wrote:

Mr_Adams wrote:The government is more shut down on a national holiday than when the government shuts down.

Yeah. Let's see....they're gonna lockout non-essential workers.

Why the f*ck are we paying for no-essential workers to begin with?

"Non essential mean people who won't cause imminant harm if they are off a few days. It does not mean "non essential" as you are trying to interpret it. They include things like people who process mortgages for HUD, some janitors, most National Park employees (the parks close), etc.

Most of NASA, so I'm probably fucked.

HapSmo19 wrote:

GreecePwns wrote:Non-essential workers include those who work for network security.

Who's network?

Well, the Department of Homeland Security, Office of Budget and Management, Social Security Administration and Treasury Department is a good start.

maasman wrote:Don't you mean imminent?

I did. Dammit.

As I understand things, our troops in Afghanistan will not be paid (but almost certainly will be back-paid, of course). But get this...Congress still gets paid. f*ck Congress.

Woodruff wrote:

maasman wrote:Don't you mean imminent?

I did. Dammit.

As I understand things, our troops in Afghanistan will not be paid (but almost certainly will be back-paid, of course). But get this...Congress still gets paid. f*ck Congress.

They sent up a continuing resolution JUST FOR MILITARY PAY to Obama, and he vetoed it. he's playing political games. Also, I agree. In my job, if I screw something up, I stay and work without pay to fix it. It should be the same with the Government employees.

Mr_Adams wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

maasman wrote:Don't you mean imminent?

I did. Dammit.

As I understand things, our troops in Afghanistan will not be paid (but almost certainly will be back-paid, of course). But get this...Congress still gets paid. f*ck Congress.

They sent up a continuing resolution JUST FOR MILITARY PAY to Obama, and he vetoed it. he's playing political games.

He is, absolutely. But he absolutely isn't the only one. I certainly don't hold him blameless at all. But his point in doing this is directly due to the political gamesmanship of the Congress and he's doing it to put the pressure back on them.

Mr_Adams wrote:Also, I agree. In my job, if I screw something up, I stay and work without pay to fix it. It should be the same with the Government employees.

Yes, there is absolutely no justification for their pay to not also be on hold.

HapSmo19 wrote:

Woodruff wrote:Well, at least the lawmakers we elected into the House of Representatives aren't trying to attach any riders to the budget that are THE ROOT CAUSE for the shutdown to happen: http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OM ... Riders.pdf

Yes, I'm sure your world will crumble without all that bullshit. And another nice Soros-funded, fair and balanced, organization link.

If I didn't have an ex-navy lib-loon in my family I'd be tempted to think you were a bot and not just a parrot.

because "obviously Soros is the only prominent, wealthy liberal around
(newsflash. Soros is not even truly liberal.. he is moderate.)

Woodruff wrote:As I understand things, our troops in Afghanistan will not be paid (but almost certainly will be back-paid, of course). But get this...Congress still gets paid. f*ck Congress.

From what I heard, that's not exactly true. It is true that military members would not be paid during a shutdown, but the whole truth is that they are only paid once a month. So they'll still get paid on time if the government is re-opened on pay day. If the shutdown does not overlap with their pay day, then there will be no pay lost or delayed for the members of the military. It's one of those arguments that have a slight amount of truth in it and then spun to epic proportions for political purposes.

Night Strike wrote:

Woodruff wrote:As I understand things, our troops in Afghanistan will not be paid (but almost certainly will be back-paid, of course). But get this...Congress still gets paid. f*ck Congress.

From what I heard, that's not exactly true. It is true that military members would not be paid during a shutdown, but the whole truth is that they are only paid once a month. So they'll still get paid on time if the government is re-opened on pay day. If the shutdown does not overlap with their pay day, then there will be no pay lost or delayed for the members of the military. It's one of those arguments that have a slight amount of truth in it and then spun to epic proportions for political purposes.

Yeah, we get paid twice a month. The pay day on the 15th will only account for the 1st through 8th. For those active duty service members that do not live in barracks (mostly married) this is a serious issue. Those that do not live in barracks have their housing subsidized by the gov't, the possibility of being put out on the street is very real if this shut down is prolonged.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/04/m ... um=twitter

PepperJack wrote:

Night Strike wrote:

Woodruff wrote:As I understand things, our troops in Afghanistan will not be paid (but almost certainly will be back-paid, of course). But get this...Congress still gets paid. f*ck Congress.

From what I heard, that's not exactly true. It is true that military members would not be paid during a shutdown, but the whole truth is that they are only paid once a month. So they'll still get paid on time if the government is re-opened on pay day. If the shutdown does not overlap with their pay day, then there will be no pay lost or delayed for the members of the military. It's one of those arguments that have a slight amount of truth in it and then spun to epic proportions for political purposes.

Yeah, we get paid twice a month. The pay day on the 15th will only account for the 1st through 8th. For those active duty service members that do not live in barracks (mostly married) this is a serious issue. Those that do not live in barracks have their housing subsidized by the gov't, the possibility of being put out on the street is very real if this shut down is prolonged.


http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/04/m ... um=twitter

Thanks for that clarification. So if the government is reopened on the 14th (or 13th if you want to allow a full day for processing), the military paychecks will be normal as if the shutdown had not actually occurred.

Night Strike wrote:

Woodruff wrote:As I understand things, our troops in Afghanistan will not be paid (but almost certainly will be back-paid, of course). But get this...Congress still gets paid. f*ck Congress.

From what I heard, that's not exactly true. It is true that military members would not be paid during a shutdown, but the whole truth is that they are only paid once a month. So they'll still get paid on time if the government is re-opened on pay day. If the shutdown does not overlap with their pay day, then there will be no pay lost or delayed for the members of the military.

Yes, that's absolutely correct, though it's twice per month. I didn't mean to mis-lead anyone...I sort of failed to remember that wasn't common knowledge. Thanks for the clarification.

Night Strike wrote:It's one of those arguments that have a slight amount of truth in it and then spun to epic proportions for political purposes.

Not on my part it wasn't. My reason for pointing it out is that the blood-sucking pathetic useless Congressmen are still getting paid REGARDLESS of when the shutdown ends while those on the fucking firing line are not.

Woodruff wrote:

Night Strike wrote:It's one of those arguments that have a slight amount of truth in it and then spun to epic proportions for political purposes.

Not on my part it wasn't. My reason for pointing it out is that the blood-sucking pathetic useless Congressmen are still getting paid REGARDLESS of when the shutdown ends while those on the fucking firing line are not.

I think NS was augmenting your point- politicians make it a playing chip to use against each other, when it should be counted by EVERYBODY as a strike against ALL OF THEM.

Mr_Adams wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

Night Strike wrote:It's one of those arguments that have a slight amount of truth in it and then spun to epic proportions for political purposes.

Not on my part it wasn't. My reason for pointing it out is that the blood-sucking pathetic useless Congressmen are still getting paid REGARDLESS of when the shutdown ends while those on the fucking firing line are not.

I think NS was augmenting your point- politicians make it a playing chip to use against each other, when it should be counted by EVERYBODY as a strike against ALL OF THEM.

I disagree, given his "slight amount of truth in it" which a bunch of shit. If I remember correctly, the last time this happened, it lasted for three weeks.