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A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:36 pm
by brooksieb
What do you call a person who believes in god but has no religion (christianity, islam ect etc).

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:36 pm
by polarbeast23
brooksieb wrote:What do you call a person who believes in god but has no religion (christianity, islam ect etc).
I give up?

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:37 pm
by khellendros
Smart

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:47 pm
by brooksieb
Honestly this is not a joke.

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:48 pm
by Gregrios
Person of non-existence. :?

Am I right? Do I win? What do I win? =D>

EDIT: I change my answer to Satan. ;)

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:57 pm
by DaGip
brooksieb wrote:What do you call a person who believes in god but has no religion (christianity, islam ect etc).
Isn't that being agnostic?

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:59 pm
by tiberiusaquila
A Deist.

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:00 pm
by The Viking
No I don't think so, agnostic is: not believing in a god but not denying the existence of one either, if I'm not mistaken?

I think what you're looking for might be deist?

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:03 pm
by tiberiusaquila
A Deist maintains that a supreme God created the universe but does not rule it or oversee it, therefore there is no religion attached to that deity.

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:10 pm
by Gregrios
The Viking wrote:No I don't think so, agnostic is: not believing in a god but not denying the existence of one either, if I'm not mistaken?

I think what you're looking for might be deist?
Gnostics do believe in God the father but believe Jesus to be an ordinary man which caused miracles by making people believe in themselves. Agnostics don't believe Jesus had any kind of divine power but was simply a well studied individual.

This is useless info as I've just learned the difference. :oops: Carry on.

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:12 pm
by Skittles!
Gregrios wrote:
The Viking wrote:No I don't think so, agnostic is: not believing in a god but not denying the existence of one either, if I'm not mistaken?

I think what you're looking for might be deist?
Agnostics do believe in God the father but believe Jesus to be an ordinary man which caused miracles by making people believe in themselves. Agnostics don't believe Jesus had any kind of divine power but was simply a well studied individual.

I know this because I have the scriptures. ;)
LOL, this is sig worthy just because of the stupidity of it.

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:14 pm
by Gregrios
I think I know where Brooksie is going with this. 8-)

If I'm right then this should funny. ;)

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:14 pm
by hecter
I'm fairly certain that agnostics are "There might be a god... There might not be... I have no way of knowing, so I won't and can't choose." Wikipedia agrees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism
In that article, you will also find the answer to your question. It's agnostic theism or religious agnosticism.

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:20 pm
by Gregrios
In the gnostic scriptures it tells of Jesus coming back 400 years after his death and talking to a group of people and telling them all sorts of strange things while attributing everything to God. :roll:

So if you're truly gnostic than you would have to believe in God, wouldn't you? :?

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:24 pm
by hecter
Gnosticism and agnosticism are two, very different things.

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:27 pm
by DaGip
hecter wrote:Gnosticism and agnosticism are two, very different things.
I have to agree. Gnosticism is what Greg is trying to describe, not agnosticism.

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:30 pm
by jonesthecurl
Gregrios wrote:In the gnostic scriptures it tells of Jesus coming back 400 years after his death and talking to a group of people and telling them all sorts of strange things while attributing everything to God. :roll:

So if you're truly gnostic than you would have to believe in God, wouldn't you? :?

CLANG! CLANG! CLANG!

oh, sorry, my ignorant comment alarm just went off.

NO, Gregrios, a gnostic and an agnostic are not the same thing.

The word agnostic comes from "a" = "no" as in atheist (no god) anarchy (no ruler) anaerobic (no oxegen), and atwit (Gregrios).

An agnostic is by literal translation a "don't know". Hence they are not gnostics, do not believe in god the father while denying Jesus, etc. They simply "don't know". As in
"Is there a God?"
"I don't know, I'm an agnostic".

Some agnostics, indeed many, will go further and claim that it is impossible to know.

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:32 pm
by Gregrios
hecter wrote:Gnosticism and agnosticism are two, very different things.

Seriously? I thought they were the same just spelt differently. #-o

What's the difference? :?

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:34 pm
by CrazyAnglican
Damned For All Eternity :) sorry couldn't resist in light of the other thread. No, not really, it was a joke. :)

Hmm.....nonreligious?
non-practicing <insert former religion here>?
Bob? Well that is if his name's Bob. I don't even know this guy why do you want me to talk about him?

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:34 pm
by jonesthecurl
Mind you, I'd like to read the Agnostic Gospels.

"And Jesus said unto them, 'in the name of the Father, if there is one, I give you the truth, maybe. For he who believes not in me probably has a good point.Or perhaps not' and the multitude said "We've run out of bread and fish already!"

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:40 pm
by Gregrios
jonesthecurl wrote:Mind you, I'd like to read the Agnostic Gospels.
Very funny Curly. :roll: I admit I screwed up. As rare as it is, it does happen from time to time. ;)

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:45 pm
by DaGip
jonesthecurl wrote:Mind you, I'd like to read the Agnostic Gospels.

"And Jesus said unto them, 'in the name of the Father, if there is one, I give you the truth, maybe. For he who believes not in me probably has a good point.Or perhaps not' and the multitude said "We've run out of bread and fish already!"
Everyone has a father...it's God or a god that is the question.

The Sun and Stars...yes. Electrons...yes. Quarks and Black Holes...yes. God or Gods...couldn't really tell ya, there could be, but I just don't know. I don't worship one, and I don't think Jesus was a God. I lean more towards atheism, but I think there is a possibility of there being an Uber Entity that is perhaps existing in many different dimensions and times at once...and maybe all of us (including all living things) are connected to this Uber Entity via some type of Universal telephone line of sorts. A telephone line made up of quantum particles that connect us back to the Big Bang.

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:19 am
by MeDeFe
To answer the original question, most likely 'deist' or 'theist', possibly 'pantheist'

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:37 am
by polarbeast23
tiberiusaquila wrote:A Deist maintains that a supreme God created the universe but does not rule it or oversee it, therefore there is no religion attached to that deity.
Then this is what I am.

Re: A question for people who are into debating religion.

Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:27 am
by DaGip
polarbeast23 wrote:
tiberiusaquila wrote:A Deist maintains that a supreme God created the universe but does not rule it or oversee it, therefore there is no religion attached to that deity.
Then this is what I am.
Nah...you ain't a Deist. You are an Iswasatist.

You believe in the great Iswasat, the all powerful Uber Entity of the entire cosmos.

The Iswasat can be broken down into three specific entities (much like the Christian Trinity). The IS, which is your present manifest reality. The WAS, which is your past manifested reality. And, the AT, which is your future manifesting realities. All three of these concepts merge into one eternal quantum now and become the Great Iswasat.

And from the Iswasat sprang a small reflection of itself in the form of a particle consisting of three inherent principles: Vacuum, Impulse, and Parallel Force. Or better known as the Very Important Particle (or VIP for short).

These VIPs emerge faster than our human perspective of light, and therefore, are able to exist in multiple locations all at the same time without even leaving their position (which would be at the point of the Big Bang, which wasn't a BANG but a simple twinkling of energy reflected upon itself--called quantum feedback).

The process of existence occurs within an instant of expansion and contraction of these VIPs. We actually exist BOTH within a huge Black Hole and White Hole at the same time!

The Iswasat reins SUPREME!!!!