Conquer Club

Doesn't really get it. Not only does he lock the topic about should we really lock threads, maybe we should just delete offending posts(which I found to be the height of irony) he then tries to top it by locking a thread which was discussing the new rule about personal info, and what mods define as spam, and even explained why it isn't. Twill of course went into lock mod, missing completely everything. As par, of course.

unfortunately, the people with responsibility are often not the ones who are worthy of it or have any real idea what they are doing. When it comes down to it, all the community here can do is complain about the idiocy of those with a finger on the ban/lock/fire/litigate button* and try and ignore them as best we can.


*i don't mean clap.

Im glad you don't mean me, as I said before I am only human and yes , can make errors. I just ask that if you feel I have made an error to respect me in that you pm me instead of criticize me! not asking to be begged too, just give me your ideas if you disagree, that's all. As a few have, even Owen does it, jim, and a few others.

anyway I am off, need to go pump some iron..LOL

clapper011 wrote:Im glad you don't mean me, as I said before I am only human and yes , can make errors. I just ask that if you feel I have made an error to respect me in that you pm me instead of criticize me! not asking to be begged too, just give me your ideas if you disagree, that's all. As a few have, even Owen does it, jim, and a few others.

hehe me and he are having a little tiff right now... though he doesn't know it yet.
we'll be fine, i'll let him buy me dinner later but no tongues.

heavycola wrote:unfortunately, the people with responsibility are often not the ones who are worthy of it or have any real idea what they are doing.

Well said. Obviously twildo was not selected as "community manager" because of any talent in dealing with people, or due to any leadership abilities whatsoever. I suspect that he is either related to Lack, or a childhood friend who Lack rescued from McDonalds or Kentucky Fried Chicken (or some Canadian equivalent).

Unfortunately he seems to be here to stay, and the Colaman is right - all we can do is bitch about it, for all the good that it will do. As far as mods on the forum go, Clapper is the only one i see that actually seems to care about doing a good job, and the others simply lock their quotas of threads to kiss ass and keep their mod status. Life goes on.


Honibaz

clapper011 wrote:I just ask that if you feel I have made an error to respect me in that you pm me instead of criticize me!

Well... with the greatest of respect here, I'm not sure that's entirely fair.

1. It's not as if 'PM Communications = non-criticising' and 'non-PM communications = criticising'. In other words, people using PMs to object to mod-action isn't going to magically going to end criticism; and I think you're making a bit of a false dichotomy when you say "pm me instead of criticize me", they're just not mutually exclusive.

2. The problem that we have as a community with the "PM me, don't do it in a thread" argument, is that we don't like making our objects more easily ignorable. The benefit to us of doing our objecting in a public thread is that our lone voices are joined by similarly thinking people, which gives our opinions greater legitimacy, and the existence of a physical thread makes the complaint harder for a mod to ignore and kick under the carpet (and if you do, then everyone sees you do it).
So basically, we don't want to go to PMs every time we have a problem, because it strips us of what little power to complain that we have left. I mean, can you really blame us? CC's rules are all based on mod discretion, there's been a number of inconsistencies of application in the past, and we don't get any say in picking who our overlords are. Furthermore, official business here all happens behind closed doors, and we're seldom given any insights into the process.

In other words, we complain in public threads because that tends to be the best option in a forum with a climate like this one. And while you might not like it (and as a mod I wouldn't), it's a culture which both mods and regular users have created together. Until that climate changes, then objections are probably going to continue being made in threads.

Unfortunately, as Twill said earlier, this place is becoming a really negative and 'toxic' place... and this issue is just the tip of a whole iceberg of crappy behaviour from both sides of the mod/user fence.




I'll admit it then: our complaint threads are frequently a bit harsh. A great number of dissenters (myself included) get quite aggressive and fairly abusive without needing much provocation. That's not good behaviour on our part, and it's something we ought to change. I for one apologise for the tone I took in this incident, and I hope to correct it in the future.

On the other hand, mod-behaviour in these incdients is also something that needs to change. The dissenting community's angry tone has come about because we're sick of seeing a great deal of mod-arrogance around here. Complaints are often just waved away with "It's my deciscion, I'm a mod and I've done it now", threads are often locked to save mod-effort, and when errors are made (because you're only human, and they do happen) it takes a huge amount of spilt-ink to get you to reconsider your actions. Add to that the mod-habit of refusing to apologise for mistakes, and you can see why we might feel a tiny bit aggrieved.


Basically, this community has become a bit shit. But if it's to be repaired, then both mods and users need to make a concerted effort to mind their manners. Once again the old adage rings true that one needs to give respect before one receives respect... and as it stands, neither mods nor users at large give each other enough.

Dancing Mustard wrote:

clapper011 wrote:I just ask that if you feel I have made an error to respect me in that you pm me instead of criticize me!

Well... with the greatest of respect here, I'm not sure that's entirely fair.

1. It's not as if 'PM Communications = non-criticising' and 'non-PM communications = criticising'. In other words, people using PMs to object to mod-action isn't going to magically going to end criticism; and I think you're making a bit of a false dichotomy when you say "pm me instead of criticize me", they're just not mutually exclusive.

2. The problem that we have as a community with the "PM me, don't do it in a thread" argument, is that we don't like making our objects more easily ignorable. The benefit to us of doing our objecting in a public thread is that our lone voices are joined by similarly thinking people, which gives our opinions greater legitimacy, and the existence of a physical thread makes the complaint harder for a mod to ignore and kick under the carpet (and if you do, then everyone sees you do it).
So basically, we don't want to go to PMs every time we have a problem, because it strips us of what little power to complain that we have left. I mean, can you really blame us? CC's rules are all based on mod discretion, there's been a number of inconsistencies of application in the past, and we don't get any say in picking who our overlords are. Furthermore, official business here all happens behind closed doors, and we're seldom given any insights into the process.

In other words, we complain in public threads because that tends to be the best option in a forum with a climate like this one. And while you might not like it (and as a mod I wouldn't), it's a culture which both mods and regular users have created together. Until that climate changes, then objections are probably going to continue being made in threads.

Unfortunately, as Twill said earlier, this place is becoming a really negative and 'toxic' place... and this issue is just the tip of a whole iceberg of crappy behaviour from both sides of the mod/user fence.




I'll admit it then: our complaint threads are frequently a bit harsh. A great number of dissenters (myself included) get quite aggressive and fairly abusive without needing much provocation. That's not good behaviour on our part, and it's something we ought to change. I for one apologise for the tone I took in this incident, and I hope to correct it in the future.

On the other hand, mod-behaviour in these incdients is also something that needs to change. The dissenting community's angry tone has come about because we're sick of seeing a great deal of mod-arrogance around here. Complaints are often just waved away with "It's my deciscion, I'm a mod and I've done it now", threads are often locked to save mod-effort, and when errors are made (because you're only human, and they do happen) it takes a huge amount of spilt-ink to get you to reconsider your actions. Add to that the mod-habit of refusing to apologise for mistakes, and you can see why we might feel a tiny bit aggrieved.


Basically, this community has become a bit shit. But if it's to be repaired, then both mods and users need to make a concerted effort to mind their manners. Once again the old adage rings true that one needs to give respect before one receives respect... and as it stands, neither mods nor users at large give each other enough.

Well said. Unfortunately, most mods view that post with a tl;dr, and possibly a lock for mentioning twill.

not from me, I actually agree with most of what DM is saying.

clapper011 wrote:not from me, I actually agree with most of what DM is saying.

I did say most after all, there are exceptions. You've done a fine job as far as I can tell. I just get a bit upset when a mod who almost wholly frequents the general discussion board pops in over here and tells us what is and isn't a contribution to the community. Protecting us from ourselves is not a mod's job.

I agree. This "nightstrike" is most definitely a twatish type. Sounds like he's about 16, and i'll betcha he's related to Lack or twildo - i smell nepotism. I personally resent the site owners foisting their brats on us like that.


Honibaz

clapper011 wrote:Im glad you don't mean me, as I said before I am only human and yes , can make errors. I just ask that if you feel I have made an error to respect me in that you pm me instead of criticize me! not asking to be begged too, just give me your ideas if you disagree, that's all. As a few have, even Owen does it, jim, and a few others.

anyway I am off, need to go pump some iron..LOL

I think you have done a solid job as forum mod and hope to see you move up the ladder.

b.k. barunt wrote:I agree. This "nightstrike" is most definitely a twatish type. Sounds like he's about 16, and i'll betcha he's related to Lack or twildo - i smell nepotism. I personally resent the site owners foisting their brats on us like that.


Honibaz

Now you have a problem with Nightstrike. Is any mod good enough for you bk? I've found Nightstrike to be pleasant and professional. I don't understand what decisions of his you find so objectionable. Maybe you should apply for a mod position and we can see how the expert does it.

I have to agree that some of the mods actions are very silly indeed. Twill wrote, if you dont like it, then f*ck of! What kind of childish nonsense is that. LOL, and he is the community manager...But really who gives a shit.

RADICAL CHANGE GUYS! WRESTLURUMP IS SUCKING UP TO TEH MODS!


Oh wait, that's not unusual in the slightest. Carry on.

I will bet someone good money that Twill locks this.

think that they are just trying to keep this place as clean as possible without infringing too much on our freedom to post mostly what we want. I don't recall there being an age limit to joining this site and as such, that means that there are kids in the room, so to speak. I suppose that mustard is right when he suggests that we aught to be doing our part as good nettizens and trying to keep our best efforts up in regards to being respectful.

i also have to say that clapper was just down right awesome when she recanted her lock of the 911 thread. i don't think there can be fault found in her moderation. other mods should take notes on her style. i would be more likely to listen to her reason and voluntarily behave than to other mods who try to rule by the iron hand.

now everyone gather around for a group groping... I mean a group hug.

Simon Viavant wrote:I will bet someone good money that Twill locks this.

How much do you wish to wager?. I bet you he doesnt...dont forget our deal twill

It's on! [whoever wants half the earnings can bump this constantly and spam blatantly here

Simon Viavant wrote:It's on! [whoever wants half the earnings can bump this constantly and spam blatantly here

Could you make that text a bit bigger please. I can't read it.

Dancing Mustard wrote:

Simon Viavant wrote:It's on! [whoever wants half the earnings can bump this constantly and spam blatantly here

Could you make that text a bit bigger please. I can't read it.

i'm not sure DM, but with my magnifying glass(is not for personal use), he said if we spam the shit out of this we can earn some money.

I also don't care for how the forums are run. But that falls on Twill, all the mods and us the users. If there was no flame wars, several people would quit using the forums.But then ALL flames would be illegal.Flame War participants seem to seek each other out in the regular form as well. (See everytime whump or the prowler posts anywhere) I think the forum needs some strict guidelines on avatars, usernames, and profanity while lightening up on sarcasm and playful banter rules. Especially the "off topic" posts. IF a conversation changes mid stream, why make a new thread if everyone is still contributing. There's a thread right now that started on the US financial crisis, and is now talking about the 2 party system. That will probably be locked down, for no real reason.

Disclaimer: This has nothing to do with my latest unofficial warning from him for an offtopic post that he won't admit was funny.

jbrettlip wrote: Disclaimer: This has nothing to do with my latest unofficial warning from him for an offtopic post that he won't admit was funny.

[self-righteous brother]on topic, off topic, who cares? Why is there this insistence - applied in a random and scattershot fashion, admittedly - that each thread MUST NOT DEVIATE FROM ITS ORIGINAL SUBJECT MATTER. That is particualrly irksome. In real life, everyone would stop talkign altogther and conversations would become EXTREMELY EFFING BORING VERY QUICKLY[/self-righteous brother]

Speaking of off-topic I had a bad experience once with slightly out of date nougat based confectionary myself once, wasn't pretty, but I didn't get a warning for it so it can't of been that bad borborygmi.

heavycola wrote:

jbrettlip wrote: Disclaimer: This has nothing to do with my latest unofficial warning from him for an offtopic post that he won't admit was funny.

[self-righteous brother]on topic, off topic, who cares? Why is there this insistence - applied in a random and scattershot fashion, admittedly - that each thread MUST NOT DEVIATE FROM ITS ORIGINAL SUBJECT MATTER. That is particualrly irksome. In real life, everyone would stop talkign altogther and conversations would become EXTREMELY EFFING BORING VERY QUICKLY[/self-righteous brother]

I agree, I don't understand that... Thank goodness Clapper doesn't treat us this way over here in The (not yet) Banned.
In my opinion, the actual Moderation on this site is blotchey at best.

Speaking of nougat, I like Oreo cookies. They're just plain delicious. But if you eat the whole package, you'll have an epic clog in your plumbing...

But to get back on topic, I have no real opinion of the modding on this website. Having never been a "mod" before myself, I have no frame of reference or applicable experience upon which to base an evaluation.