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Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:49 pm
by GabonX
(CNSNews.com) – President-elect Barack Obama designated Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) to be his next secretary of state Monday, despite having spent much of the previous two years questioning her foreign-policy credentials.

During the campaign for the Democratic nomination, Obama mocked Clinton’s primary claim that she possessed the necessary foreign policy experience to be president.

“What exactly is this foreign policy expertise?” Obama said to reporters in March, while flying from a campaign event in Texas. “Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no.”

In spite of these doubts, Obama praised Clinton’s credentials Monday, saying she would be able to advance America’s interests due to her knowledge of world affairs and familiarity with world leaders.

“She is an American of tremendous stature who will have my complete confidence, who knows many of the world's leaders, who will command respect in every capital, and who will clearly have the ability to advance our interests around the world,” he said.

Obama said that his new foreign policy team, which will be led by Clinton, would change America’s foreign policy for the better.

“I am confident that this is the team that we need to make a new beginning for American national security,” he told reporters at the announcement.

However, Obama had expressed exactly the opposite view of Clinton during the primary campaign.

“It’s what’s wrong with politics today. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected,” Obama said in a January radio ad. “Hillary Clinton. She’ll say anything and change nothing.”

Obama also said Monday that he picked Clinton for her intelligence, toughness and work ethic, noting that his new team would need to pursue a new strategy around the globe.

“She possesses an extraordinary intelligence and toughness, and a remarkable work ethic,” the president-elect said of Clinton.

He added that his new team must “pursue a new strategy that skillfully uses, balances, and integrates all elements of American power: our military and diplomacy, our intelligence and law enforcement, our economy and the power of our moral example.”

But last year, Obama’s campaign specifically said that the candidate didn’t need the advice of someone like Clinton, “someone whose ideas were more in line with those of President George W. Bush” than with Obama’s.

“Barack Obama doesn’t need lectures in political courage from someone who followed George Bush to war in Iraq,” the campaign said in a December 2007 statement.

A few months later, Obama reinforced the sentiments of his campaign, saying that Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy wasn’t the change Americans wanted.

“Real change isn’t voting for George Bush’s war in Iraq and then telling the American people it was actually voting for more diplomacy,” he said in March.

In his introduction of Clinton on Monday, however, Obama also seemed to contradict the prior statements of two of his top incoming advisors; both of whom said that Clinton had never been involved in foreign policy issues before.

Greg Craig, incoming chief counsel, said of Clinton in a March conference call: “There’s no evidence that she participated or asserted herself in any of the crises that took place during the eight years of the Clinton presidency. White House records show that she was consistently absent when critical decisions were being made and that her trips abroad were largely ceremonial.”

Susan Rice, Obama’s choice to become U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, meanwhile, said that a First Lady doesn’t deal with international issues.

“There is no crisis to be dealt with or managed when you are First Lady,” Rice said in March. “You don't get that kind of experience by being married to a commander-in-chief.”

In the most hotly debated dust-up of the primary season – over Clinton’s famous “3 a.m.” ad asking which candidate would better handle a crisis call at three in the morning -- Obama himself said Clinton had already failed the foreign policy test.

“The question is, what kind of judgment will you exercise when you pick up that phone,” Obama said. “In fact, we’ve had a red-phone moment. It was the decision to invade Iraq. Sen. Clinton gave the wrong answer.”

On Monday, meanwhile, Obama called Clinton “a friend, a colleague, a source of counsel.”
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Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:18 pm
by FabledIntegral
Does seem quite contradictory. No comment.. :P.

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:35 pm
by Snorri1234
Yeah...uhm...duh?

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:40 pm
by Grooveman2007
Snorri1234 wrote:Yeah...uhm...duh?

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:31 pm
by GabonX
Snorri1234 wrote:Yeah...uhm...duh?
So he likes Hillary Clinton, he's keeping the Bush tax cuts in place, and he has changed his position on Iraq as well...

So how is he better than John McCain again? and I'm not talking about being a better liar...

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:38 pm
by InkL0sed
GabonX wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:Yeah...uhm...duh?
So he likes Hillary Clinton, he's keeping the Bush tax cuts in place, and he has changed his position on Iraq as well...

So how is he better than John McCain again? and I'm not talking about being a better liar...
He's letting Bush's tax cuts expire. McCain wanted to extend them definitely.

He hasn't changed his position on Iraq, and in any case it's still certainly better than McCain's position.

You clearly don't like the "team of rivals" philosophy of a Cabinet...

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:05 pm
by FabledIntegral
InkL0sed wrote:
GabonX wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:Yeah...uhm...duh?
So he likes Hillary Clinton, he's keeping the Bush tax cuts in place, and he has changed his position on Iraq as well...

So how is he better than John McCain again? and I'm not talking about being a better liar...
He's letting Bush's tax cuts expire. McCain wanted to extend them definitely.

He hasn't changed his position on Iraq, and in any case it's still certainly better than McCain's position.

You clearly don't like the "team of rivals" philosophy of a Cabinet...
There's a difference between having rival policies in a cabinet and putting someone in that the person views as incompetent.

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:12 pm
by Nephilim
*newsflash: politicians sometimes say things that they know aren't exactly true in order to get elected. also, during primary campaigns, people that genuinely respect each other are forced to exaggerate the weaknesses of their opponents.*

*oh and another newsflash: obama won. get the f*ck over it.

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:16 pm
by black elk speaks
InkL0sed wrote: He's letting Bush's tax cuts expire. McCain wanted to extend them definitely.

After swearing that he was going to over turn them immediately upon taking office.

He hasn't changed his position on Iraq, and in any case it's still certainly better than McCain's position.

No? Bringing home all the troops, as opposed to now only 15,000 over 18 months? please!

You clearly don't like the "team of rivals" philosophy of a Cabinet...

Almost half of them are the same team from 16 - 12 years ago. This is change? What rivals? Hillery is his rival? I would bet my nut that Secretary of State is compensation for her support following her loss in the primaries.

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:16 pm
by GabonX
Nephilim wrote:obama won. get the f*ck over it.
Right.. I'll make it a point never to criticize a politician who is in office even if their caught red handed lying.

Just out of curiosity, did you heed your own advice in regards to Bush for the last 8 years?

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:19 pm
by black elk speaks
Nephilim wrote:*newsflash: politicians sometimes say things that they know aren't exactly true in order to get elected. also, during primary campaigns, people that genuinely respect each other are forced to exaggerate the weaknesses of their opponents.*

*oh and another newsflash: obama won. get the f*ck over it.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

yes, everyone, gather around... its okay for this president-elect to lie. Never mind that it is a testament to how he will run the white house just like all the rest... ushering in "change we can believe in (except that you really can't believe it because it is all a wild pack of lies, used for the sole purpose to punish america and the republican party for the awesome presidency of bush)"

Hey, in other news, Obama praises bush for all he has done for aids victims. thats nice at least! =D>

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:27 pm
by oVo
Omfgawd.. . Obama disputed Clinton's credentials before applauding them?
well no duh! cnsnews.com is obviously the new brain trust of the free world.
Were they not in the opposite corners of a presidential election?

Here's another headline for you...
McCain Disputed Obama's Credentials Before Applauding Them

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:29 pm
by black elk speaks
oVo wrote:Omfgawd.. . Obama disputed Clinton's credentials before applauding them?
well no duh! cnsnews.com is obviously the new brain trust of the free world.
Were they not in the opposite corners of a presidential election?

Here's another headline for you...
McCain Disputed Obama's Credentials Before Applauding Them

And this makes it right?

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:45 pm
by oVo
It makes it apparent that the dumbing down has begun,
even before Obama has even taken office.

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:48 pm
by black elk speaks
oVo wrote:It makes it apparent that the dumbing down has begun,
even before Obama has even taken office.

You haven't answered my question. BO is every bit as guilty, in my opinion, of the same campaign tactics as GW for his two terms.

America is too far gone. We are finished if this is the level of integrity we can expect from our politicians.

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:02 am
by Iliad
Are you guys seriously surprised that Obama didn't heaps praise upon Hillary during the campaign? Cause you know that's a toughie.

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:47 am
by black elk speaks
Iliad wrote:Are you guys seriously surprised that Obama didn't heaps praise upon Hillary during the campaign? Cause you know that's a toughie.
Not at all. But to turn right around and give her such a position in the white house after basically telling us all what a piece of green shit she is? I recall him saying that he would not consider being vice president on her ticket even if she offered.

There is no honor among these people. They are all dogs.

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:50 am
by Snorri1234
black elk speaks wrote:
Iliad wrote:Are you guys seriously surprised that Obama didn't heaps praise upon Hillary during the campaign? Cause you know that's a toughie.
Not at all. But to turn right around and give her such a position in the white house after basically telling us all what a piece of green shit she is? I recall him saying that he would not consider being vice president on her ticket even if she offered.

There is no honor among these people. They are all dogs.
Well....she isn't vice president is she?

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:14 am
by black elk speaks
Snorri1234 wrote:
black elk speaks wrote:
Iliad wrote:Are you guys seriously surprised that Obama didn't heaps praise upon Hillary during the campaign? Cause you know that's a toughie.
Not at all. But to turn right around and give her such a position in the white house after basically telling us all what a piece of green shit she is? I recall him saying that he would not consider being vice president on her ticket even if she offered.

There is no honor among these people. They are all dogs.
Well....she isn't vice president is she?
Secretary of State is the next best thing. :roll:

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:27 am
by khazalid
black elk speaks.









other elk pretend to be knitting little elk mittens.

may it ever thus be so

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:24 am
by GabonX
black elk speaks wrote:
Iliad wrote:Are you guys seriously surprised that Obama didn't heaps praise upon Hillary during the campaign? Cause you know that's a toughie.
Not at all. But to turn right around and give her such a position in the white house after basically telling us all what a piece of green shit she is? I recall him saying that he would not consider being vice president on her ticket even if she offered.

There is no honor among these people. They are all dogs.
This is exactly the point. It's no surprise that they criticized each other durring the primaries and it's no secret that it was a rather nasty battle. What is unnerving is that he would give her the number one diplomatic position in his administration after saying that she was an unqualified diplomat.

He went as far as to say
Barrack Obama wrote: “It’s what’s wrong with politics today. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected,”
and
Barrack Obama wrote: “Hillary Clinton. She’ll say anything and change nothing.”
If you replace "Hillary Clinton" with "Barrack Obama" in these statements it describes the situation perfectly.

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:19 pm
by Bones2484
Welcome to politics?

Had McCain won the election and chosen Romney or Huckabee to his cabinet, how would you defend the choice as a republican?

Don't be a hypocrite with double standards.

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:30 pm
by Snorri1234
Bones2484 wrote:Welcome to politics?

Had McCain won the election and chosen Romney or Huckabee to his cabinet, how would you defend the choice as a republican?
Well ofcourse McCain would have realised that that person was a very valuable asset and his experience in a particular field was very good. All that mudslinging in the campaign was just a bit of joking around.





Seriously, it's like people fail to realise how you are supposed to win an election.

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:38 pm
by Bones2484
Snorri1234 wrote: Well ofcourse McCain would have realised that that person was a very valuable asset and his experience in a particular field was very good. All that mudslinging in the campaign was just a bit of joking around.
Wait. You mean kind of like what McCain said in his concession speech to Obama??

Oh no! Republicans can go back on what they say during campaigns too!??! Say it ain't so!

Re: Obama Disputed Clinton’s Credentials Before Applauding Them

Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:57 pm
by GabonX
Bones2484 wrote:Welcome to politics?

Had McCain won the election and chosen Romney or Huckabee to his cabinet, how would you defend the choice as a republican?

Don't be a hypocrite with double standards.
This would be a point if he had chosen Romney (not so regarding Huckabee as the two ran a very positive campaign towards each other), but he didn't so you're grasping for straws. For the record I don't like Romney but he still would have been preferable to Clinton or Obama.

You're right in asserting that this is politics as usual, so lets stop pretending that B O is something special. Aside from his alleged speaking ability and chrisma (and race) his resume is frighteningly slim. He's truly the American Idol of politics and by being so outspoken against the people who he has chosen he's beginning to show his true character