Conquer Club

It's still too close to call right now. This probably means that regardless of whether Netanyahu or Livni wins, there's no clear mandate, and building a coalition government is going to be tough.

Does anyone understand the political situation in Israel fairly well? I've heard that when right-wingers (Likud Party) win they usually support a more aggressive military stance towards Hamas but less religious tolerance for those outside of traditional Judaism.

Kadima, on the other hand is willing to negotiate and concede land to the Palestinians, and also has more tolerance for those outside of traditional Judaism.

How do you foresee Barack Obama and other world leaders working with either candidate?

luns101 wrote:It's still too close to call right now. This probably means that regardless of whether Netanyahu or Livni wins, there's no clear mandate, and building a coalition government is going to be tough.

Does anyone understand the political situation in Israel fairly well? I've heard that when right-wingers (Likud Party) win they usually support a more aggressive military stance towards Hamas but less religious tolerance for those outside of traditional Judaism.

Kadima, on the other hand is willing to negotiate and concede land to the Palestinians, and also has more tolerance for those outside of traditional Judaism.

How do you foresee Barack Obama working with either candidate?

Obama and the Kadima party sound like a good match as far as foreign policy goes. However, Israel needs a leader that is willing to ignore what Obama wants him to do, and what the U.N. wants him to do. Israel needs to attack Iran, because it's obvious that we don't have the balls to do so our selfs.

As for one party being more tolerant than the other, I don't buy it.

Israel needs a leftist-pragmatist coalition.

luns101 wrote:It's still too close to call right now. This probably means that regardless of whether Netanyahu or Livni wins, there's no clear mandate, and building a coalition government is going to be tough.

Does anyone understand the political situation in Israel fairly well? I've heard that when right-wingers (Likud Party) win they usually support a more aggressive military stance towards Hamas but less religious tolerance for those outside of traditional Judaism.

Kadima, on the other hand is willing to negotiate and concede land to the Palestinians, and also has more tolerance for those outside of traditional Judaism.

How do you foresee Barack Obama and other world leaders working with either candidate?

Likud have always been far more Hawkish then its main political rivals but they are not especially intolerant of non Jews. I lived there for a year and Israeli Politics is driven far more by security than by religious concerns, the majority of the population simply wish to live in peace.

joecoolfrog wrote:

luns101 wrote:It's still too close to call right now. This probably means that regardless of whether Netanyahu or Livni wins, there's no clear mandate, and building a coalition government is going to be tough.

Does anyone understand the political situation in Israel fairly well? I've heard that when right-wingers (Likud Party) win they usually support a more aggressive military stance towards Hamas but less religious tolerance for those outside of traditional Judaism.

Kadima, on the other hand is willing to negotiate and concede land to the Palestinians, and also has more tolerance for those outside of traditional Judaism.

How do you foresee Barack Obama and other world leaders working with either candidate?

Likud have always been far more Hawkish then its main political rivals but they are not especially intolerant of non Jews. I lived there for a year and Israeli Politics is driven far more by security than by religious concerns, the majority of the population simply wish to live in peace.

Nicely put.

joecoolfrog wrote:Likud have always been far more Hawkish then its main political rivals but they are not especially intolerant of non Jews. I lived there for a year and Israeli Politics is driven far more by security than by religious concerns, the majority of the population simply wish to live in peace.

See, I had heard differently but seeing as you were there for a time, that's some good insight. Which city did you live in over there?

I wouldn't expect a change in the way US-Israeli relations work. Obama has already expressed his wish to continue supporting Israel. I do wonder if there is a connection though between the Israelis pulling back their troops and Obama taking office. But at any rate, it shouldn't matter what party is in power, no doubt they won't want to offend America and lose funds.

Picture related.

Juan_Bottom wrote:I wouldn't expect a change in the way US-Israeli relations work. Obama has already expressed his wish to continue supporting Israel. I do wonder if there is a connection though between the Israelis pulling back their troops and Obama taking office. But at any rate, it shouldn't matter what party is in power, no doubt they won't want to offend America and lose funds.

Picture related.

HOW IS THAT PICTURE RELATED?!?!?!?! I DON'T GET IT!!!!!!

Oh wait, now I see the M16.

I wonder if that's my friend form when I was little. I just fond out last summer that she joined the Israeli army to pay for college.

That's actually a really great photo.

Can you introduce us? I love her...

Gun, this is Juan, Juan this is gun.

Oh, the girl?

jonesthecurl wrote:Gun, this is Juan, Juan this is gun.

Oh, the girl?

I sure hope that girl doesn't have a "gun". All she needs is a rifle for fight'n, she don't need no gun for fun

I have to admit, I'm pretty uninformed when it comes to Israeli politics. Where do the leading candidates stand when it comes to change?

... I know not a thing about Israeli politics, but I do know our government is very concerned about what's happening over there right now:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull

... I spent a total of 6 (military visit) days in Israel. Babes with guns is about all I can recall. I mean, gorgeous little blondes and brunettes walking down the street, very friendly and all smiles, packing UZI SMG's.

...

Nobunaga wrote:... I know not a thing about Israeli politics, but I do know our government is very concerned about what's happening over there right now:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull

... I spent a total of 6 (military visit) days in Israel. Babes with guns is about all I can recall. I mean, gorgeous little blondes and brunettes walking down the street, very friendly and all smiles, packing UZI SMG's.

...

Ah Israel. It's time like these I'm proud to be a Zionist. Not to be confused with Israel Kamakawiwo'le, he's good to though.

Martin Ronne wrote:Oh wait, now I see the M16.

I wonder if that's my friend form when I was little. I just fond out last summer that she joined the Israeli army to pay for college.

That's actually a really great photo.

Aren't all (with the usual exceptions) young Israelis required to join the army for national service?

With respect to the outcome of the elections I don't suppose it will make a great deal of difference in terms of lasting peace who wins, we are sadly a long way from a workable solution to the middle east situation, at least a generation. Regardless of the Israeli government there are other parties who will ensure the conflict continues. That being said having Netanjahu back at the reins can only make things worse in the short term, certainly for the Palestinains and perversely probably for the Israelis as well.

More than Bibi, what really scares me about these new elections is the growing support for Yisreali Beiteinu, the major nationalist party. Think Norse, but Jewish.

spurgistan wrote:More than Bibi, what really scares me about these new elections is the growing support for Yisreali Beiteinu, the major nationalist party. Think Norse, but Jewish.

So, an oxymoron essentially.

spurgistan wrote:More than Bibi, what really scares me about these new elections is the growing support for Yisreali Beiteinu, the major nationalist party. Think Norse, but Jewish.

What's wrong with nationalist parties?, unless their racist, of course.

brooksieb wrote:

spurgistan wrote:More than Bibi, what really scares me about these new elections is the growing support for Yisreali Beiteinu, the major nationalist party. Think Norse, but Jewish.

What's wrong with nationalist parties?, unless their racist, of course.

Eh.....but they all are

Bertros Bertros wrote:

Martin Ronne wrote:Oh wait, now I see the M16.

I wonder if that's my friend form when I was little. I just fond out last summer that she joined the Israeli army to pay for college.

That's actually a really great photo.

Aren't all (with the usual exceptions) young Israelis required to join the army for national service?

Yes but my friend was exempt because she was a U.S. citizen.