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Sixteen people banned from entering the UK were "named and shamed" by the Home Office today.


Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she decided to make public the names of 16 people banned since October so others could better understand what sort of behaviour Britain was not prepared to tolerate.

The list includes hate preachers, anti-gay protesters and a far- right US talk show host.

"I think it's important that people understand the sorts of values and sorts of standards that we have here, the fact that it's a privilege to come and the sort of things that mean you won't be welcome in this country," Ms Smith told GMTV.

"Coming to this country is a privilege. If you can't live by the rules that we live by, the standards and the values that we live by, we should exclude you from this country and, what's more, now we will make public those people that we have excluded.

"We are publishing the names of 16 of those that we have excluded since October. We are telling people who they are and why it is we don't want them in this country."

She said the number of people excluded from Britain had risen from an average of two a month to five a month since October.


The list of the 16 "least wanted" includes radio talk show host Michael Savage, real name Michael Weiner.

"This is someone who has fallen into the category of fomenting hatred, of such extreme views and expressing them in such a way that it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence if that person were allowed into the country," Ms Smith told BBC Breakfast.

Also named are American Baptist pastor Fred Waldron Phelps Snr and his daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper, who have picketed the funerals of Aids victims and claimed the deaths of US soldiers are a punishment for US tolerance of homosexuality.

"If people have so clearly overstepped the mark in terms of the way not just that they are talking but the sort of attitudes that they are expressing to the extent that we think that this is likely to cause or have the potential to cause violence or inter-community tension in this country, then actually I think the right thing is not to let them into the country in the first place. Not to open the stable door then try to close it later," Ms Smith said.

"It's a privilege to come to this country. There are certain behaviours that mean you forfeit that privilege."

Hamas MP Yunis Al-Astal, Jewish extremist Mike Guzovsky, former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard Stephen Donald Black and neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe are also on the list released today.

Artur Ryno and Pavel Skachevsky, the former leaders of a violent Russian skinhead gang which committed 20 racially motivated murders, are also banned from coming to Britain. Both are currently in prison.

Making up the rest of the 16 named by the Home Office today are preachers Wadgy Abd El Hamied Mohamed Ghoneim, Abdullah Qadri Al Ahdal, Safwat Hijazi and Amir Siddique, Muslim activist Abdul Ali Musa (previously Clarence Reams), murderer and Hezbollah terrorist Samir Al Quntar and Kashmiri terror group leader Nasr Javed.

... I love Michael Savage. This is going to boost ratings for the man.

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What a Weiner.

... His show tonight won't be very interesting, though. He'll go on and on about himself, as he likes to do when this manner of thing happens.

... He'll find people who are allowed to live in the UK, probably Islamic fundamentalist types who make hateful speaches about killing the Queen (I've heard those - spooky stuff), then he'll compare himself.

... "OK! HATEMONGERS WHO WANT YOUR QUEEN DEAD CAN LIVE OFF YOUR NANNY STATE HANDOUTS BUT I'M NOT EVEN ALOWED PAST THE AIRPORT?! MORONS!! MORONS I TELL YOU!!"

... Predictable. I'll probably skip tonight's show.

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Nobunaga wrote:... His show tonight won't be very interesting, though. He'll go on and on about himself, as he likes to do when this manner of thing happens.

... He'll find people who are allowed to live in the UK, probably Islamic fundamentalist types who make hateful speaches about killing the Queen (I've heard those - spooky stuff), then he'll compare himself.

... "OK! HATEMONGERS WHO WANT YOUR QUEEN DEAD CAN LIVE OFF YOUR NANNY STATE HANDOUTS BUT I'M NOT EVEN ALOWED PAST THE AIRPORT?! MORONS!! MORONS I TELL YOU!!"

... Predictable. I'll probably skip tonight's show.

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Thats the danger of such exclusions, it gives publicity to all manner of extremists, personally I would have let him in and let him froth away...if he went too far and broke any laws then lock him up !

... He would love to be arrested in the UK. That would be better for him than being banned, in terms of publicity.

... Savage is rated 3rd, maybe 4th now in the US among talk radio listenership. An arrest might jack him up to #2, knock Hannity down to #3 (I rather dislike Hannity).

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joecoolfrog wrote:Thats the danger of such exclusions, it gives publicity to all manner of extremists, personally I would have let him in and let him froth away...if he went too far and broke any laws then lock him up !

Who cares about the publicity? The majority of the UK will not care to hear it. To let him in just to stir up shit? Why? They have their own problems with their own shit disturbers, I would imagine. And lock him up? That costs money and would certainly give him more publicity when he got out (your first point).

... Well, Savage isn't banned for anything he's said about the UK, and he probably doesn't actually know much about the UK to begin with.

... A lot of folks (incorrectly) associate Savage with hate speech, and as the UK is big into peace and love and all that, they've obviously seen fit to ban the man.

... Savage is hard-core conservative and says a lot of stuff that people are already thinking, but are just afraid to say. And he doesn't really have a soft touch about him, half of his show is spent screaming at callers, even those who agree with him, or frothing into the mike. These spells are interrupted occasionally with jazz, or more recently Cuban music while he reminisces about his youth in New York.

... Personally, I believe it is his manner that got him banned, more than his words.

... For reference as to his way of thinking, see that thread I started way back, about his Manifesto to fix America.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... o#p1328690


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It might be the frothing that led to the ban , we are pretty keen over here to stay free of rabies and have pretty strict precautions in place

Nobunaga wrote:Sixteen people banned from entering the UK were "named and shamed" by the Home Office today.

Funny how Bin Laden's apparently freely welcome!

Lord+Master wrote:

Nobunaga wrote:Sixteen people banned from entering the UK were "named and shamed" by the Home Office today.

Funny how Bin Laden's apparently freely welcome!

AH HA!!!! so thats where he has been hiding!!! and all the time we thought he was in a cave in afganisstan!!!

Said Savage, "How can a nation put me on a list and leave hate preachers in England who say that we're going to kill all of you? We're going to convert all of you to Islam. How is it possible that those hate preachers can't be deported from Britain, but I can be banned from Britain? People who advocate actual murder cannot be deported from Britain.

"How is it that liberalism has gotten so distorted and cowardly?"

... Pretty much as predicted. It's probably his hard stance against Islamist fundamentalism that worried the UK gov't. Though Savage hasn't been there for 20 years and had no stated intention of going any time soon.

... He is going to sue.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97127

Samuraipizzaguy wrote:

Lord+Master wrote:
Funny how Bin Laden's apparently freely welcome!

AH HA!!!! so thats where he has been hiding!!! and all the time we thought he was in a cave in afganisstan!!!

Actually he works at a 7-11 in Sheboygan, Wisconsin

Okay, so I don't know anything about this Savage fellow, but if he's anything like some of the other people who have been denied entry into the UK (the Phelps), I bet he's into sodomy.

WATS GOING ON IN HEAR?

No worries... its all part of the global conspiracy to control the masses. We will see these kinds of things here in the states too. You should check out this video. It will help you all see just what totalitarianism is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdQjOq1U9A

captain.crazy wrote:No worries... its all part of the global conspiracy to control the masses. We will see these kinds of things here in the states too. You should check out this video. It will help you all see just what totalitarianism is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdQjOq1U9A

Education by youtube....is thats whats left of your American dream

comic boy wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:No worries... its all part of the global conspiracy to control the masses. We will see these kinds of things here in the states too. You should check out this video. It will help you all see just what totalitarianism is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdQjOq1U9A

Education by youtube....is thats whats left of your American dream

You disagree with the information in that video? I thought it was spot on.

captain.crazy wrote:

comic boy wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:No worries... its all part of the global conspiracy to control the masses. We will see these kinds of things here in the states too. You should check out this video. It will help you all see just what totalitarianism is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdQjOq1U9A

Education by youtube....is thats whats left of your American dream

You disagree with the information in that video? I thought it was spot on.

The strength of a Republic lies in its ability to move with the times and amend its Constitution accordingly, too many people in the USA are stuck in the past and hark back to a 'Golden Age' that never really existed.

... From Telegraph.co.uk

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/philip_joh ... shock_jock

comic boy wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:

comic boy wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:No worries... its all part of the global conspiracy to control the masses. We will see these kinds of things here in the states too. You should check out this video. It will help you all see just what totalitarianism is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdQjOq1U9A

Education by youtube....is thats whats left of your American dream

You disagree with the information in that video? I thought it was spot on.

The strength of a Republic lies in its ability to move with the times and amend its Constitution accordingly, too many people in the USA are stuck in the past and hark back to a 'Golden Age' that never really existed.

I couldn't disagree with you more. the strength of a republic is its rule of law and its suppression of government. We aren't stuck in the past... we are under attack of democratic mob rule, which will lead to a socialist dictatorship if we aren't careful.

captain.crazy wrote:

comic boy wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:

comic boy wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:No worries... its all part of the global conspiracy to control the masses. We will see these kinds of things here in the states too. You should check out this video. It will help you all see just what totalitarianism is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdQjOq1U9A

Education by youtube....is thats whats left of your American dream

You disagree with the information in that video? I thought it was spot on.

The strength of a Republic lies in its ability to move with the times and amend its Constitution accordingly, too many people in the USA are stuck in the past and hark back to a 'Golden Age' that never really existed.

I couldn't disagree with you more. the strength of a republic is its rule of law and its suppression of government. We aren't stuck in the past... we are under attack of democratic mob rule, which will lead to a socialist dictatorship if we aren't careful.

Stop me if you've heard this one.

You're fucking insane.

captain.crazy wrote:

comic boy wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:

comic boy wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:No worries... its all part of the global conspiracy to control the masses. We will see these kinds of things here in the states too. You should check out this video. It will help you all see just what totalitarianism is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdQjOq1U9A

Education by youtube....is thats whats left of your American dream

You disagree with the information in that video? I thought it was spot on.

The strength of a Republic lies in its ability to move with the times and amend its Constitution accordingly, too many people in the USA are stuck in the past and hark back to a 'Golden Age' that never really existed.

I couldn't disagree with you more. the strength of a republic is its rule of law and its suppression of government. We aren't stuck in the past... we are under attack of democratic mob rule, which will lead to a socialist dictatorship if we aren't careful.

It's rather pointless conversing with somebody whose default setting is Lizardtalk

Don't care either way. I wouldn't ban them myself but I honestly don't care what the UK does or does not.

captain.crazy wrote:

comic boy wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:

comic boy wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:No worries... its all part of the global conspiracy to control the masses. We will see these kinds of things here in the states too. You should check out this video. It will help you all see just what totalitarianism is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdQjOq1U9A

Education by youtube....is thats whats left of your American dream

You disagree with the information in that video? I thought it was spot on.

The strength of a Republic lies in its ability to move with the times and amend its Constitution accordingly, too many people in the USA are stuck in the past and hark back to a 'Golden Age' that never really existed.

I couldn't disagree with you more. the strength of a republic is its rule of law and its suppression of government. We aren't stuck in the past... we are under attack of democratic mob rule, which will lead to a socialist dictatorship if we aren't careful.

i agree with you captain

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97198

The Savage Nation show used to be on from 3-6pm where I'm at after they took it off the air for a year because some libs were too stupid to figure out how to change the station so they wouldn't get "offended". I'd listen to it everyday on my way home from work and even extend my drive home by fifty miles up in the woods with a six pack to catch the whole show. Then they moved it to "primetime"(6-9pm) so they could interupt it twenty minutes in with the Blazer game(who cares) every chance they get. Bullsnot.