Conquer Club

Genuinely curious what the liberals have to say. It's confusing sometimes being enclosed in my right-wing knuckle-dragging wife-beating scotch-breathe tea-bagging bubble.

Here are three off the top of my head:

The shovel ready infrastructure projects have made great improvements in road quality, at least near where I live. This makes driving safer and more efficient.

Increased spending on maintenance of the infrastructure has also led to more bridge inspections. I feel safer knowing that the government actually gives a flying fart about the infrastructure and integrity of our bridges (remember how under W, that bridge collapsed in the midwest? remember Katrina? I have confidence our current president will not repeat such arrogant errors of neglect, based upon his already under-way initiatives).

The Cash-For-Clunkers program was a resounding success, to the point where there's a huge backlog of applications for the rebate (and unfortunately an awful lot of fraudulent applications)

I usually don't pay much attention to politics and such (just don't have the time, nor the motivation to care), but I did pay attention to the Cash for Clunkers program and thought it was a good idea from the start. My car, a 2000 Saturn SL1, obviously didn't qualify for the program and I don't need to replace it anyways, but if it had and I needed to I would have taken advantage of the deal being offered.

My opinion is that while large changes (that end up with a positive impact) are nice, the smaller things such as Cash for Clunkers are going to be what helps this country the most. Granted, I don't know much.

This topic is over.

Just 1? I know you asked for liberals but I hope you don't mind a Reagan Republican answering as well.

He has put more pressure on Israel to work a peace agreement with Palestine than any President in 20 years.

He is working to close Guantanamo and has revised definitions of torture back to be consistant with US standards prior to Bush.

pimpdave wrote:Here are three off the top of my head:

The shovel ready infrastructure projects have made great improvements in road quality, at least near where I live. This makes driving safer and more efficient.

Increased spending on maintenance of the infrastructure has also led to more bridge inspections, which has helped a friend of mine get a job, who was laid off late last year. So personally, I don't have to feel guilty about asking him to pay up for gas money or beer money when he hangs out, but on a more general level, I feel safer knowing that the government actually gives a flying fart about the infrastructure and integrity of our bridges (remember how under W, that bridge collapsed in the midwest? remember Katrina? I have confidence our current president will not repeat such arrogant errors of neglect, based upon his already under-way initiatives).

The Cash-For-Clunkers program was a resounding success, to the point where there's a huge backlog of applications for the rebate (and unfortunately an awful lot of fraudulent applications)

well i dont know where you live, But I beleive the shovel ready programs dont start until feb 2010 because the money hasn't been provided yet. I would be interested to see your source on that. I have seen a LOT of bridgework around here, being from saint paul i was here when the bridge collapsed. Did anyone know it had nothing to do with gov't inspectors missing it or anything like that. the contractors that were working on the bridge at the time set a huge super heavy/super dense stack in 1 spot that the bridge was never expected to handle. Either way your 2 points on raods and bridges, what I am hearing in my "bubble talk" that the gov't is just moving money around, robbing peter and paul to pay peter, with jobs that dont have lastability value. when the job is over, your friend will be unemployed again, no?

Your third point I hugely disagree, since it seems the dealers haven't gotten their money yet, the gov't said "you'll get it when you get it" in the meantime the dealers are supposed to PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES! The only success I will agree with you on is success in re-affirming that when someone gives away something for nothing, a whole bunch of people show up. I move to disqulify what you list as "accomplishments" on the facts they have not started yet, and certainly disqaulify cash for clunkers as a success. However, if you can provide a link about how that sitmulus money has already reached your state, I will reconsider your point 1 and 2 to a small extent.

istanbul39 wrote:Just 1?

He has put more pressure on Israel to work a peace agreement with Palestine than any President in 20 years.

I hope so, but I will grant him that accomplioshment when it happens. Didnt Carter get a nobel prize for "peace" over there? HAHA this issue, if Obama can do something, will not be measurable for years until after his presidency. Unless he works a miracle

He got you to start this thread

fatscotty. Say what you like about Jimmy Carter, but Israel has been at peace with egypt now for over 2 decades. Is that not worth a Nobel Peace prize?

If that is your attempt at articulating an argument, you are grasping at straws...

istanbul39 wrote:fatscotty. Say what you like about Jimmy Carter, but Israel has been at peace with egypt now for over 2 decades. Is that not worth a Nobel Peace prize?

If that is your attempt at articulating an argument, you are grasping at straws...

But, but, but Jimmy Carter was a disaster!

istanbul39 wrote:fatscotty. Say what you like about Jimmy Carter, but Israel has been at peace with egypt now for over 2 decades. Is that not worth a Nobel Peace prize?

If that is your attempt at articulating an argument, you are grasping at straws...

hmmm, egypt provides no money for Palestine? no support? Carter get the prize for exclusivly Egyptian/Isreali peace

PLAYER57832 wrote:He is working to close Guantanamo and has revised definitions of torture back to be consistant with US standards prior to Bush.

I'ts not gonna work. He people, can we stop including things that are "in the process of" and "inbetween soundbites"? WE won't know the result of the guantanamo fiasco until early 2010

yea, it's kinda hard to accomplish much when the douche bag republicans are fighting you the whole way. yes glen beck, obama wants to kill your grandmother

... Posted this another thread but this thread is more on-topic, dealing with the President directly.

... An absolute must read for anybody wondering how we arrived where we are now.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 52872.html

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Fat Scotty, please turn off Rush Limbaugh at least once a week. It will be healthy for you.

Yes, Egypt like many nations supplies aid to palestine. Whats your point?

And the Nobel Price was palestine/israel/and egypt. Israel has help up its agreements with Egypt but did not with Palestine.

istanbul39 wrote:Fat Scotty, please turn off Rush Limbaugh at least once a week. It will be healthy for you.

Yes, Egypt like many nations supplies aid to palestine. Whats your point?

And the Nobel Price was palestine/israel/and egypt. Israel has help up its agreements with Egypt but did not with Palestine.

I hate Rush Limbuagh. Wow you are way off buddy LMAO. My point is you cant hold up part of the peace and say success, while the main objective for peace failed. Just correcting you

pearljamrox2 wrote:yea, it's kinda hard to accomplish much when the douche bag republicans are fighting you the whole way. yes glen beck, obama wants to kill your grandmother

... They got the votes (Dems) they need to pass whatever the hell they want. What are you talking about?

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Being liked by the brits?

1. He has given the far-right the biggest collective wedgie that they have ever received.
2. He has left more complacent quasi-nazis chronically butthurt than any other man to ever walk the planet.
3. He made your wife climax three times last night.




Debate officially over.

Little known fact: Obama's whole life, from birth to the presidency, is a cunning plan to troll Phatscotty.

It seems to be a resounding success.

He managed to be the first African born man elected to the presidency of the US.

He increased the federal deficit by a greater amount in a shorter period of time than any other president.

he also got his family a dog, like he promised. and he had a beer with the racist cop and reverse racist professor. his ncaa bracket was pretty good too.

and how 'bout that pitch at the all star game. yea it was pretty lousy, but he keep it out of the dirt, huh?