Look guys, hey! Go ahead and hate Catholics and the Catholic Church. This stage of the conversation has basically turned into an attempt to overpower through the simple will to keep typing rather than have a dialogue.

wait, I easily found a source: Wikipedia. Go ahead and flame wikipedia.


Sorry that you went to the trouble. I had agreed that witch hunts had happened and that they were terrible. I also stated that they were not uniquely Catholic or even uniquely religious (as your citation states some began ...

Unless you mean to tell me that an organization is dwindling even though it's outpacing world population growth; I fail to see your point.
The point is that kids growing up in the church are leaving more than they are staying.


Which would generally indicate that the Church would be getting ...

I'd be interested in seeing from whence most of your data comes as well.

In fact, immigration is the ONLY reason the Roman Catholic church numbers have not dropped more. The numbers of those brought up Roman Catholic in the US who continue with the church are dropping. (Washington time showed a .59% drop in 2007)

Unless you mean to tell me that an organization is ...

It's so sad that you guys construct arguments in the best way you can only to try to disprove something you know is real.

I'll decide for myself what I know to be real, thanks.

There was a freaking lot of time, from around 500 to 1,500 when the church controlled everything (Well not everything ...

I'm not calling the Pope a pedophile, Tempest.
I am looking for direction and leadership and ACCOUNTABILITY from the head of the Church.
The Pope steers the boat No?
Where are the apologies? The reparations? The safeguards and internal policing to indicate prevention? Are they turning over these ...

Woke up to see one of my friends urinating on another friend's shoes; while both were asleep and wearing their shoes.

The fucking church is not allowed to burns "witches", books, to rape children. NO. Even if they did a million charitable works, NO. Nothing is going to make us forget that thing. There is no fucking balance that levels out what they did good with what they did right. THEY RAPED CHILDREN. BURNED ...

How about: Forget all those world leaders who are fucking douche bags?

What the f*ck did this man [the pope] ever contribute to the betterment of society except to entrench a dwindling ( Thank god...) portion of the masses to a bigoted, narrow minded and utterly destructive dogma?
Perhaps ...

It may just be my impression from the few people to whom I've spoken, but anti-Catholic bigotry seems to be a big problem in this little community. It's a good thing that it's not as big a problem for the people of England.

If you mean seriously disagree with what they believe and put forward to ...

MORE on abstinence plus education:
The above article talks about advantages of ABC + or advocating one partner sex as the ideal, but teaching about protection methods in addition.

I think that we agree here, but why put pressure on the Roman Catholic Church to change one policy? It's the people ...

Changing the policy or making an exception to INCLUDE condoms in already established somewhat successful programs to . make them even more successful.


What the hell is wrong with that? The data does not show that abstinence is working in the context that they have Aids on the run. Aids needs a ...

Changing the policy or making an exception to INCLUDE condoms in already established somewhat successful programs to . make them even more successful.


What the hell is wrong with that? The data does not show that abstinence is working in the context that they have Aids on the run. Aids needs a ...

here's your requested link.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0074.html

You appear to have cited an article that says exactly what tzor's article said and draws from the same Harvard study? You seem to have cherry picked your quote from a part in which the ...

Is there a strong presence of the Catholic Church in Africa? I am not aware of it. I thought they mostly left.

tzor! Give us the skinny here, are you guys in Africa?

From what I could see they make up about 10-20% of the population of the continent. They are only listed as the most prevalent ...

Holy Christ, you're thick as a post.


Well insults aside, not so thick that I haven't noticed you're trying to daunt me with articles that you apprently don't want me to read for myself. What's the harm in posting a link and letting me read your source material?

One point tzor makes is correct ...

Uh...you're the one who has to show that Hitler was lying when he talked about his religious beliefs. This same line of "argument" could be used to claim Hitler didn't actually hate the jews but was just playing on his people's own racism.

I already did that but here we go again, silly; Hitler ...

They were completely willing to use any means possible to gain and maintain power, but equally willing to cast away any institution that outlived its usefulness.

We are convinced that the people need and require faith. We have therefore undertaken to fight against the atheistic movement ...

The fallacy of attacking the person.

Many people use fallacies, like you just did, to support false claims; therefore your claim is false.

The Nazi-party was certainly totalitarian . They didn't want churches that disagreed with the state, but they hella used and abused religious iconography, religious reasoning and the churches they had to sell their platform. Religion was important in Nazi-Germany, and the Catholic Church sure did ...

More flag waving? Color me surprised.


"a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society,"
Yeah that sure sounds like a Nazi tyranny that I know....

The Nazi party with its heavy use of quasi-pagan pomp and reliance upon ideas from Neitzsche and Social Darwinism was definitely anti ...

Is a bear catholic?

I don't actually know enough about this topic to debate it, however are you seriously claiming that condoms would do more harm than good? Seriously?

No but I'm not against condom use either. What the article says is that abstinence based programs like the one in Uganda seem to work better than ...

Also, hugely suspicious new guy, chill. Flapping your arms while excitedly shouting "WE'RE WINNING, WE'RE WINNING" isn't good debating and it isn't good trolling either.

Btw, a tip: you can use the preview button to stop from having posts edited 6 times.

You guys are serious about this ...