Question for the religious extremists (Jay etc)

AlgyTaylor · Post by **AlgyTaylor** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:11 am

If you were born of Islamic parents and brought up as a Muslim, would you still have the same beliefs in Jesus/God?

Senfive · Post by **Senfive** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:14 am

AlgyTaylor wrote:If you were born of Islamic parents and brought up as a Muslim, would you still have the same beliefs in Jesus/God?

Yes because they are the same. Different Life Principles to live by? Yeah.

AlgyTaylor · Post by **AlgyTaylor** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:53 am

They're not the same - Jesus isn't the son of God in Islam, which is a pretty big difference IMO.

But in case there's any doubt I'll use a different religion - if you were brought up by parents who were Hindu, would you still believe the whole Chrstianity thing? Or is it more of a parental influence that makes you believe that particular fairy story? Sorry, holy book.

brooksieb · Post by **brooksieb** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:21 am

AlgyTaylor wrote:They're not the same - Jesus isn't the son of God in Islam, which is a pretty big difference IMO.

But in case there's any doubt I'll use a different religion - if you were brought up by parents who were Hindu, would you still believe the whole Chrstianity thing? Or is it more of a parental influence that makes you believe that particular fairy story? Sorry, holy book.

by the way jesus is true because the romans wrote about him, drew about him

EDIT: some people have qouted my message, i am not saying if jesus is the true son of god or if he's religous or not (altough i believe he is) what i'm saying is that he existed in real life, that's all

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:27 am

AlgyTaylor wrote:They're not the same - Jesus isn't the son of God in Islam, which is a pretty big difference IMO.

There is a huge difference. "If you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

Jesus is God. Islam teaches that He was just a prophet.

I don't know what would happen. I just thank God the truth was revealed to me.

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:36 am

jay_a2j wrote: I just thank God the truth was revealed to me.

He told you as well, eh?

Dancing Mustard · Post by **Dancing Mustard** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:14 am

brooksieb wrote:by the way jesus is true because the romans wrote about him, drew about him

Just like Jupiter, Mars, talking eagles, psychic ladies who lived in caves, and wolf-babies?

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:25 am

Norse wrote:
jay_a2j wrote: I just thank God the truth was revealed to me.
He told you as well, eh?

to be fair at least jay was being pretty honest within the context of his beliefs....many people probably wouldnt even be as forthcoming as he was.

Kaplowitz · Post by **Kaplowitz** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:37 am

Just because Jesus was a real person doesnt mean he is a superhero. Spiderman is the only one, and the Romans didnt write about him...thats where you lose your credibility.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:49 am

brooksieb wrote:
AlgyTaylor wrote:They're not the same - Jesus isn't the son of God in Islam, which is a pretty big difference IMO.

But in case there's any doubt I'll use a different religion - if you were brought up by parents who were Hindu, would you still believe the whole Chrstianity thing? Or is it more of a parental influence that makes you believe that particular fairy story? Sorry, holy book.
by the way jesus is true because the romans wrote about him, drew about him

Not so much, but that's by the by... Historical evidence has no bearing on his divinity either way...

CrabNebula · Post by **CrabNebula** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:09 pm

This will invoke Godwin's law before anything other lol

Anyway, on-topic

AlgyTaylor wrote:But in case there's any doubt I'll use a different religion - if you were brought up by parents who were Hindu, would you still believe the whole Chrstianity thing? Or is it more of a parental influence that makes you believe that particular fairy story? Sorry, holy book.

You will need to clarify what you mean by "whole Christianity thing". However, if you mean people of other religions believe in Christianity and Jesus, as a Hindu, I can tell you I do. I believe God is one but in different forms. However, for others, it depends on how hardcore or liberal they are.

brooksieb wrote:by the way jesus is true because the romans wrote about him, drew about him

Lets not go there, it will just result in pointless argument.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:26 pm

AlgyTaylor wrote:They're not the same - Jesus isn't the son of God in Islam, which is a pretty big difference IMO.

Actually, Mohamed isn't considered the son of God. He is considered to be God's One True Prophet(tm) who was tasked with bringing the church back to its roots.

If you actually read the Koran, you'll see that it says that Isa (Arabic translation of Jesus) is the son of God and the Messiah.

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:34 pm

And if you read egyptian text, you will see that "Isis" son of cleopatra, who had to flee to a burma-monk hideout, and changed his name to "isia" is believed to be Jesus.

But then again, None of this has anything to do with Norse scripture, so it's all pretty irrelevant.

btownmeggy · Post by **btownmeggy** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:42 pm

vtmarik wrote:
AlgyTaylor wrote:They're not the same - Jesus isn't the son of God in Islam, which is a pretty big difference IMO.
Actually, Mohamed isn't considered the son of God. He is considered to be God's One True Prophet(tm) who was tasked with bringing the church back to its roots.

If you actually read the Koran, you'll see that it says that Isa (Arabic translation of Jesus) is the son of God and the Messiah.

Algy didn't say that Islam teaches that Mohamed is the son of god.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:51 pm

jay_a2j wrote:I don't know what would happen. I just thank God the truth was revealed to me.

Hmm, where have I heard that before...

"The only difference between us and them is that we're right and they're wrong"

-Becky Fischer, Jesus Camp

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:53 pm

as an aside, i thought the people who did jesus camp did a pretty good job.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:02 pm

got tonkaed wrote:as an aside, i thought the people who did jesus camp did a pretty good job.

Awesome job. Shows the horrors of some of those in power. I mean, take Haggard for instance. He knows what he is doing very well, and he seems like he doesn't believe absolutely everything he says (as most pastors don't). He knows that the reason God is so popular is because:

A. Children generally believe everything they hear.
B. People believe what they believed when they were children.
C. Children are very self-centered and want to be in the center of attention.
D. Creation and 'God Loves You' is more appealing to children than 'You're another animal on the meaningless and accidental existence of life'.

MR. Nate · Post by **MR. Nate** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:41 pm

unriggable wrote:I mean, take Haggard for instance. He knows what he is doing very well, and he seems like he doesn't believe absolutely everything he says (as most pastors don't). He knows that the reason God is so popular is because:

A. Children generally believe everything they hear.
B. People believe what they believed when they were children.
C. Children are very self-centered and want to be in the center of attention.
D. Creation and 'God Loves You' is more appealing to children than 'You're another animal on the meaningless and accidental existence of life'.

Impressive that you know the inner thoughts of most pastors. I have to hand it to you, you're a credit to the human race with that kind of psychic ability.

By your argument, there shouldn't be any children raised in the hard cold light of atheism that turn to Christianity. Also, once a person is a reasonable, rationale adult, there should be little chance of them turning to Christ, but the fact is, that's not true. There are a lot of people born and raised in the church who stay there, but there are also a lot of people who turn to Christ later in life, a lot of times during or shortly after college, when their thinking about the direction their life is taking.

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:56 pm

I think all of you are quite magnificent.

Dancing Mustard · Post by **Dancing Mustard** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:02 pm

Norse wrote:I think all of you are quite magnificent.

Do you think we're ssssssuper?

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:07 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:
Norse wrote:I think all of you are quite magnificent.
Do you think we're ssssssuper?

Mussstard, I think your essspecccially hunky-dory.

graeme89 · Post by **graeme89** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:21 pm

AlgyTaylor wrote:If you were born of Islamic parents and brought up as a Muslim, would you still have the same beliefs in Jesus/God?

I think this is a stupid question.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:49 pm

Guiscard wrote:
brooksieb wrote:
AlgyTaylor wrote:They're not the same - Jesus isn't the son of God in Islam, which is a pretty big difference IMO.

But in case there's any doubt I'll use a different religion - if you were brought up by parents who were Hindu, would you still believe the whole Chrstianity thing? Or is it more of a parental influence that makes you believe that particular fairy story? Sorry, holy book.
by the way jesus is true because the romans wrote about him, drew about him
Not so much, but that's by the by... Historical evidence has no bearing on his divinity either way...

We fall into the sheerly ridiculous

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:52 pm

graeme89 wrote:
AlgyTaylor wrote:If you were born of Islamic parents and brought up as a Muslim, would you still have the same beliefs in Jesus/God?
I think this is a stupid question.

Its a valid question. The answer is probably no. However, there is a very good story to illustrate my view as a religious extremist on the matter. A missionary working in CHina had explained the gospel to some natives, and they said to him, they had always known Jesus, but only not his name....in other words, we can unwittingly accept Jesus as Lord by leading lives according to our moral conscious, fostering and listening to it, since it is jesus speaking within us.

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:01 pm

As a religious extremist, I must say that things have been more difficult for us in the last 30-some years. When I wake up, my first intention is to oppress all those who don't believe like myself. This used to be an easy task, but now more and more college students have been alerted to our goals through their social science professors. We may be coming to the end of what has been a marvelous run. But if you believe in a cyclical view of history, then it's only a matter of time before we are able to make a comeback.

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