7 Deadly Sins endgame!

lalaland · Post by **lalaland** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:31 pm

ugh... i have a headache and don't want to read the 5+ pages that i missed... anybody want to give me a brief summary?

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:48 pm

kalishnikov wrote:
NESconqueror wrote:After reading up, I am very thankful no kills in the night. I am not sure who to vote though, as I still have no leads.
lol, wow... In the last 5 pages we've found 2 scum and a cult leader. Consider not skimming for once.

Seriously, wow.

sorry, you have found no cult leader.

Skoffin · Post by **Skoffin** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:59 pm

I've skimmed the hell out of the last three pages, what slipup have I apparently made?

The part where I said I'm scum? Do you guys honestly think I'm that stupid? The guys also left off the part where in the same conversation I claimed I was scum in all my games

Skoffin · Post by **Skoffin** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:04 pm

kalishnikov wrote:And Skoffin definitly said 'I'm scum, but I'm not a liar' somewhere in that mess of 'chu/Frenchness.

Yeah I did. Sortof. I actually said 'lair' because that is what chu had said, so I was making fun of him. I am definetly no 'lair'.

Anyway, go ahead and copy me, you will lol

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:08 pm

Skoff, it was done so much like the truth, I have basically no doubts you are scum. As for the lair/liar thing. It's a common misspelling for me. So what? It's a hard word to spell.

Skoffin · Post by **Skoffin** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:18 pm

wut? It started with me yelling the thing about ga's theory. I even had it in caps to be more silly, now this is where timestamps would of been helpful because I put the 'OH SHI-' part a second later. I did it to be silly and I had no idea you morons would take me seriously, why would I just blurt out I'm scum?

I guess my lesson here is I won't joke with you guys anymore.

NESconqueror · Post by **NESconqueror** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:37 pm

Skoffin wrote: wut? It started with me yelling the thing about ga's theory. I even had it in caps to be more silly, now this is where timestamps would of been helpful because I put the 'OH SHI-' part a second later. I did it to be silly and I had no idea you morons would take me seriously, why would I just blurt out I'm scum? I guess my lesson here is I won't joke with you guys anymore.

That is a good lesson that ALL should learn... There is not much time for us to get a lynch, so I am figuring ga7 is under a FOS, but not very stable and could be cleared.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:46 pm

Oh, NES, STFU. If you cared to actually read the past pages then you might actually know what the f*ck we are talking about. You are a fool.

I trust what Fircoal says. It's got no visible loop holes in it, and even if ga7 has countered everything, as I said before, ga is a good liar when it comes to mafia.

What Skoffin also says also kind of makes sense with the joke bit, because she is a cow and all.

Vote ga7

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:55 pm

Skoffin wrote: wut? It started with me yelling the thing about ga's theory. I even had it in caps to be more silly, now this is where timestamps would of been helpful because I put the 'OH SHI-' part a second later. I did it to be silly and I had no idea you morons would take me seriously, why would I just blurt out I'm scum? I guess my lesson here is I won't joke with you guys anymore.

it's not only what you said, but what you said after.

Instead of declaring it was a joke solidly you made it look like it was true.

That is scummy.

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:37 pm

I'm gonna believe Fircoal for the moment...ga7 could be trying to drag down a powerful town role with him. vote ga7

Fircoal, please elaborate on your roleclaim, what exactly do you do?

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:50 pm

Oh come on, Fir's defense is full of slipups and whatnot, you don't even have to believe me to know he's cult. Skittles, instead of yelling on uselessNes, saying there's no visible loop holes just proved you skimmed too.
And right, I'm the mafia copier

(I know for using that argument in NV5 as scum that it's utter BS

)

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:54 pm

Fircoal wrote:also I must say re-visit some of my arguments. Most of it shows the truth. As I'm one away from lynch I guess this is it.

Anyway, there are some places where I edged it a bit to try to get vote on him. I'm well aware the sins probably aren't in a mafia together, so I lied when I said about him having gain in lynching me. I figured his role might work like a cult too.

Lying for the good of town, how touching.

Don't let the cult spread.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:54 pm

ga7 wrote:Oh come on, Fir's defense is full of slipups and whatnot, you don't even have to believe me to know he's cult. Skittles, instead of yelling on uselessNes, saying there's no visible loop holes just proved you skimmed too.
And right, I'm the mafia copier (I know for using that argument in NV5 as scum that it's utter BS )

Frenchie-chan, there are no visible loop holes. While I may of accidently typed in one wrong word. I don't think that I should be lynched because of it. I know I'm right, and I'll fight to get rid of the scum as long as I live. Unvote Vote: Frenchie-chan

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:56 pm

ga7 wrote:Oh come on, Fir's defense is full of slipups and whatnot, you don't even have to believe me to know he's cult. Skittles, instead of yelling on uselessNes, saying there's no visible loop holes just proved you skimmed too.
And right, I'm the mafia copier (I know for using that argument in NV5 as scum that it's utter BS )

Actually, I didn't skim. I read all of it, and maybe I didn't soak it up, but at least after the pages of arguments I didn't just say "Well, I have no leads".

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:57 pm

ga7 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:also I must say re-visit some of my arguments. Most of it shows the truth. As I'm one away from lynch I guess this is it.

Anyway, there are some places where I edged it a bit to try to get vote on him. I'm well aware the sins probably aren't in a mafia together, so I lied when I said about him having gain in lynching me. I figured his role might work like a cult too.
Lying for the good of town, how touching.
Don't let the cult spread.

better then lying for the good of scum.

I figure I'm up some points above you.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:59 pm

Clive wrote:I'm gonna believe Fircoal for the moment...ga7 could be trying to drag down a powerful town role with him. vote ga7

Fircoal, please elaborate on your roleclaim, what exactly do you do?

I live my life deciticed to God. I recruit players that are free from sin. I fail is they are not free from sin. Since my recruitment of Frenchie-chan failed, he must be linked the the sin. That or Kwan is a jerk. >_>

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:02 pm

Feeling the wind turning, interesting. It's not just about that slipup, that's only a minor part of it. You just want to survive one more night and make a recruit. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure I can find out another scum by copying them. Even if you believe I'm scum it's obvious what is the most dangerous power (and if I was I'd bitch to Kwan about having such a lousy role)

Your defense now reminds me of AD in judgement heh

demon7896 · Post by **demon7896** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:03 pm

vote:ga7

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:04 pm

ga7 wrote:Feeling the wind turning, interesting. It's not just about that slipup, that's only a minor part of it. You just want to survive one more night and make a recruit. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure I can find out another scum by copying them. Even if you believe I'm scum it's obvious what is the most dangerous power (and if I was I'd bitch to Kwan about having such a lousy role)
Your defense now reminds me of AD in judgement heh

Frenchie-chan I am ready to die if need be to get scum like you out of the way. Though I must say, you and I both know this role is unfairly overpowered. I find it better to keep these roles alive if town, so we can win the game.

And what happened in judgement?

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:15 pm

Fir's first layer of BS wrote:I'm an overpowered role called Preist. I can recruit people into my town masonary if they are free from sin.

Fir's second layer of BS wrote:it just says preist. I have decided my life against the sin.

Fir's third layer of BS wrote:I live my life deciticed to God. I recruit players that are free from sin. I fail is they are not free from sin.

Now Fir, that makes me tick even more. It's like you feel the need to expand more and more about your claim, and I don't think you're so into paraphrasing

It makes me think of judgement because there AD kept adding stuff to his fakeclaim that'd make him sound better every time he tried to get out of the hole he dug.
Anyway you're right, you and I both know your claim is unfairly overpowered. That's because it's a fake one, duh

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:19 pm

ga7 wrote:
Fir's first layer of BS wrote:I'm an overpowered role called Preist. I can recruit people into my town masonary if they are free from sin.

Fir's second layer of BS wrote:it just says preist. I have decided my life against the sin.

Fir's third layer of BS wrote:I live my life deciticed to God. I recruit players that are free from sin. I fail is they are not free from sin.
Now Fir, that makes me tick even more. It's like you feel the need to expand more and more about your claim, and I don't think you're so into paraphrasing

I'm not, I even at one point asked Kwan if I could quote my pm, because there is no way I can explain this role that well. And also Frenchie-chan if you read them. All 3 of them say basically the same thing. For me, that's kinda good. I'm not very good at paraphasing.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:25 pm

Frenchie-chan, lost his time skills wrote:Back to business. We'll make this day 40 pages! I'd like others to help tho

Fircoal, the master of timing wrote:Hmm, of course you fail to mention that my post was 7 minutes before yours was. And also not to mention I told you about it via MSN. You fully knew about my claim that you were scum, before you posted.
If I recall well you just mentioned you posted, which was less than half an hour after daybreak. Of course I already knew what I was going to do, and your original post reinforced me in my belief. So your point is that I didn't notice it was day before you? Good point

it kinda is. My point is, that we don't know you were going to post it or not? I'm willing to bet, if I said nothing, you would of kept your mouth shut.

Frenchie-chan, doesn't understand anything wrote:
Freddychu, frustrated wrote:Very touching. Though I'd hope you'd have a bit more to say.
No matter what your original day 1 motives were, fact is you pushed strongly for my lynch. To see a recruiting offer after that was a bit wtf, and made me think of a strategy.

Hey, what can I say I'm an insane guy. You know we are talking about the person that love Pikachus... A LOT.

Frenchie-chan, lustful for Skoffin wrote:
Fircoal teh lustful wrote:uh, let's see, if the scum know I can recruit townies, and I wouldn't be killed by them, I think they'd probably kill me the next night. AS I said the first post it is overpowered, but it can die.
Seeing the no kill and Kwan's scene where he says there's many hostile factions, I'd think the sins are working alone, and obviously all wouldn't get NK powers. Meaning you'd be pretty much unstoppable unless hitting maybe a couple of roles out of all that could NK you. That faction thing brings a thought: maybe one of the sins can corrupt people into a cult? Maybe you're one of them in fact? Heh heh heh

I was thinking about the idea of the sins being able to recruit, in fact it's pretty much a fact. I know there are followers of sin, and probably Kwan isn't dumb enough to make them all be there at the start.

Frenchie-chan, Can't tell what WIFOM is wrote:
Fir the WIFOM adept wrote:true, I do have great powers, but let's say I didn't have the powers and your case was true. Then it would be unfair. Would it not. With my story, it would be fair in it, but that would require us both telling the truth.
With your story, town would have an unbelievably overpowered role. With mine, there's a cult that is slightly nerfed (but you might have something to compensate we don't know of).

As I said Frenchie-chan, 7 sins in a 19 player game is way overpowered. This role kinda makes more sense in this game because of that. You obviously, forget to bring that up every time I say it. For a reason?

Frenchie-chan teh terrible player wrote:
Freddychu teh awsum mod wrote:Very well, I don't see how a copier, could fit in, but whatever. That is an odd claim to make as Copier is a Fircoal made up role, and I'm not sure if Kwan would use it. While normally, I'd take this as nice proof, BUT, I've talked to you enough about this stuff, you should know that. Also I don't see why a un-copable role would be in this game, but whatever. We'll see what Reed says.
But not only you uses that role now. Nag used it in Heroes for instance. It's becoming a classic For the un-copyable part, well we already discussed it. Anyway Skittles should clear that up.

It isn't that common yet, but yes it is getting more seen. and I'm glad for that.

NES Jr. wrote:
Firecola wrote:
Skoffipop wrote:Second, I've been a recruiter before and generally they die if they try to recruit scum.
So have I. I'm not stupid enough to create this argument if I was scum.
I wouldn't say it's stupid. I'd say you had no choice

Hmm, I think I did. If I didn't want to. Why not wait until you brought it up first if you wanted to. I only brought it up to get rid of you-scum

Frenchie-chan, is scum wrote:
Skoffin wrote:Anyway, to prove if Ga refused or not why not just recruit someone tonight and they will refuse, and can inform us they could do so tomorrow?
And place another townie at risk for BS? I feel you're a perfectly good lynch option as I believe you made an authentic slipup, but I really think it's best to lynch Chu today as even if the potential recruit went forward and said it, I would always have a doubt that he might have accepted just for the kicks. Some people are like Chu in that aspect

Fircoal who doesn't remember past mafias ever wrote:point me to 3 CC mafia games where you could refuse recruitment.

NJO, Civil war, and I'm sure there's another old one but this one counts too

Frenchie-chan wrote:
kwanton wrote:...

Kwan game bringing mafia fun back.
Gay4Kwan!

Anyway, bottom line is, if Fir was mason recruiter I don't think we'd be having that discussion right now. I also don't think he'd suddenly change his vote for Skoffin (which is a viable lead but still); looks more like a move out of despair. Even if she's likely scum (which shouldn't matter much in this particular case), her arguments against you make sense too.

That's all for now

But we are Frenchie-chan, and I move to who is the scummiest/ who can be lynched. I figure Skoffin's claim was worse then yours.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:59 pm

Fir the PM quoter wannabe wrote:I'm not, I even at one point asked Kwan if I could quote my pm, because there is no way I can explain this role that well. And also Frenchie-chan if you read them. All 3 of them say basically the same thing. For me, that's kinda good. I'm not very good at paraphasing.

But that's why it sounds weird, from what I see now and saw in the past Kwan doesn't make his PMs full of details, and I don't think you're paraphrasing them. IE you're making things up adding details.

Freddychu, WIFOM FTW wrote:it kinda is. My point is, that we don't know you were going to post it or not? I'm willing to bet, if I said nothing, you would of kept your mouth shut.

Of course I'd have outed you, since I already thought you were cult when I refused your offer. In any case it makes sense to me that you tried to post first as being in the accusation's position gives an edge and might save your ass.

Fir, the Mandy clone wrote:Hey, what can I say I'm an insane guy. You know we are talking about the person that love Pikachus... A LOT.

This is not a valid argument. And oy don't call me Wicked

Freddychu, lustful for Reed wrote:I was thinking about the idea of the sins being able to recruit, in fact it's pretty much a fact. I know there are followers of sin, and probably Kwan isn't dumb enough to make them all be there at the start.

So you're saying we'd have 7 cults at hand? I think it's farfetched (and that'd mean there wouldn't be a real "town", which isn't true). I think you mentioned sin followers before, and I must say I don't get it as I saw no mention of it by Kwan. Maybe they were mentioned in your real PM? *grins*

Fir, the loophole seeker wrote:As I said Frenchie-chan, 7 sins in a 19 player game is way overpowered. This role kinda makes more sense in this game because of that. You obviously, forget to bring that up every time I say it. For a reason?

7 scum in a 19 player game sounds a lot, but on the other hand they're standalone and I think your Winner games are harder on town than that. The problem is I don't think your claimed role would be balancing that fact, it's that it could guarantee the town's victory. Cult makes way more sense.

NES Jr. wrote:Hmm, I think I did. If I didn't want to. Why not wait until you brought it up first if you wanted to. I only brought it up to get rid of you-scum

Cf the earlier part about accusing.

Freddychu, is cult wrote:But we are Frenchie-chan, and I move to who is the scummiest/ who can be lynched. I figure Skoffin's claim was worse then yours.

It's been proven I'm a copier, seemingly the remaining doubt is on my alignment. I just think you saw an opportunity to distract us. And now that I got a couple of votes you do the same, to try and save your ass

NESconqueror · Post by **NESconqueror** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:01 pm

Now there is a NES jr.!?!? Whoa! I am going to have to keep on reading.

dustn64 · Post by **dustn64** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:55 pm

ok, I have seen more of Fircoal and Ga7's avatars in the last 6 pages that they are embedded in my mind. I honestly don't think that fircoal is scum at all. Ga7 also has a very good roleclaim, whether it is fake or whatever I have no Idea. I don't plan on voting for the time being.

I would like to see more action like this in other mafia games though.