Stargate Mafia end game...french people are evil..

cena-rules · Post by **cena-rules** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:28 am

shall we have a mass rolecliam. I wont claim because well I dont know who else approves

lord voldemort · Post by **lord voldemort** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:39 am

lord voldemort wrote:i thought i updated alive...ill do that in a sec...in speed game

updated

14 alive
8 lynch...there are no votes atm cause chu died
no deadline as u guys can talk it out

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:40 am

i never said i was jackson...i said i was jacob carter.

i pushed for a lynching because it seemed like i was going to get killed anyway because of crabby so, i just figured i wasn't gonna change anyones mind anyway so, WTH

i do believe Crab is buying votes " politician vote" now,

does a politician vote mean he's bad or good?

cause to me a politician who buys votes is scummy.

GA7 says he's a cop and, i believe him.
Reb. seems to be okay as well.
Cena is very evasive. comes and goes. so, i don't know.
anyone else, i don't know.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:09 am

Didn't spiesr say he blocked Fircoal on one night? This would make Fircoal's claim for cop a lot stronger and throw the town off if he really didn't

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:18 am

firecoal is dead . he was a terrorist/suicide bomber

cena-rules · Post by **cena-rules** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:18 am

Im not evasive just forgertful

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:28 am

Crab has missed 2 turns in our games.

lord voldemort · Post by **lord voldemort** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:33 am

mmm...ill pm and see wats up...i think he i sbusy with study..but i thought that ended last week...

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:36 am

maybe he's lying dead in a corner in cheyenne mountain and hasn't been found yet.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:37 am

vote spiesr

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:39 am

vote spiesr

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:15 pm

unvote spiesr

i really didn't have a reason to vote him. i don't know which way to go so, i plan on just watching others and see if anyone trips up.

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:21 pm

Roger Dodger wrote:unvote spiesr

i really didn't have a reason to vote him. i don't know which way to go so, i plan on just watching others and see if anyone trips up.

well i have put forward the theory that spieser is a role blocker as he claims but he is scum and not town

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:34 pm

Summary time!
Disclaimer: this is a summary based on ga7®'s subjective opinion of what meaningful stuff happened in the game. ga7® denies all responsibility in case he missed something during his rereading. And don't you dare post a quote of this huge post you quote addicts.

Notable Day 1 events: RD & Nag had a bit of a go at each other. Scum fake argument is a common tactic, but somehow I doubt RD could pull that off. Nes is lynched. No final vote count was put by Lovo but since it was a SK I guess it's not very relevant (or at least not enough to go through the hassle of count day 1 votes

)

Claimed Night 1 events:
Cena investigates Rebel and finds him town
Shady busdrives LSU & Nag
ga7 tracks Nag nowhere
Spiesr blocks Mib
Kalish dies

Day 2: Clive & Nag start to argue. I start a case on Cena, at its peak the bandwagon was: ( 10 ) - french, illy, lsu, crab, spiesr, firth, rd, diddle, kwanton, mtg. He claims, and most unvote; however Fir tries to push for his lynch but the wagon starts to switch to Clive. The wagon at its peak: clive (9) - spurg frenchie-chan, lsu, kwan, double voter shady, iliad, crab, politicians vote. Day ends in no lynch. While having obviously good insight, I still find Clive's arguments pretty shitty reading back; though Nag had most of us veterans fooled visibly ><

Claimed Night 2 events:
Neutrino goes to (steal) kill Clive
Shady busdrives Clive & Cena
ga7 tracks Neut to Cena
Spiesr blocks ga7
Cena said he was roleblocked
Cena dies

Day 3: Spurg starts the day by skimming, Cena deadtalks and claims to have been roleblocked. A wagon starts on me by the impulsion of that bloody jester Masket. Illiad (later replaced by Cena) puts doubt in Cena's clearing of Rebel along with Skittles, which strikes me as very scummy considering the following events. Illiad also argues a lot about Clive being scum when it was pretty obvious that Clive was just a double voter. Then I claim which unleashes a chain reaction that makes a big mess, as seen in the Night 2 actions. Kwan follows the Neut case which is about the only thing in the game that makes me think he's town. Firth acts a bit weird saying first that his character is not on wikipedia and that he believes Neut's fakeclaim. Eventually Firee counterclaims Neut as survivor. Final vote count: (13) french, kwan, shady, skittles!, spurg kiwi skoffin rd, fireedud, spiesr, leia, politicians vote cn nag. This wagon is interesting as I doubt scum would have jumped early on it, but after the counterclaim Neut was hopeless and scum wouldn't have hesitated to hop on it to gain clearance (as shown by Nag's hammer). Still, SFOS Firth for his behavior that day. Regarding the night actions I'm pretty certain Cena was wrong and hadn't been roleblocked, for a simple reason; he already had used up his investigation and that's the only action he could do that would have made him aware of a roleblock. One theory is that he tried to protect himself (doubtful though as most mods don't allow this) and died (since he was busdrived anyway) or tried to vigkill someone and it failed for some reason (more likely; it'd have been hilarious if he tried to kill Clive and killed himself instead for instance

). Concerning Spiesr, this is one of the points that makes me doubt him as there's only two possibilities: either he lied about blocking me to try and save Neut, or he was blocked by a scum roleblocker (coincidence? you decide! as the conspiracy theorists say.

)

Claimed Night 3 events:
Shady busdrives himself & mtg
Spiesr blocked Rebel
ga7 is blocked by ?
Nag & Leia die

Day 4: Fir pushes like mad for Masket's lynch, making the town waste a day. I didn't see much happening else... Final vote count: mm10 (14) fircoal, cena, speiser, skoffin, two, rebel, spurg, kiwi, kwan, shady, firth, lsu, rd, cn (interesting to note that with 10 to lynch Masket was absolutely overkilled

). Concerning night actions of course Spiesr's blocking is a bit fishy as Rebel was cleared, and since I had claimed tracker he would probably have told the truth as scum blocker just in case. However my blocking brings two possibilities: either Leia protected me from Nag as the elite bodyguard role means she blocks who she protects, or a scum roleblocker targeted me. Either way as the first possibility seems a bit more likely, a bad point for Spiesr.

Claimed Night 4 events:
Spiesr blocks Fir
ga7 tracks Fir nowhere
Shady busdrives ? & ?
Shady dies

Day 5: LSU instigates the Fir wagon for obvious reasons. The wagon at its peak: (9) lsu, frenchie, firth, cn, diddle, politicians vote, rebel, spiesr, spurg. Then Chu claims cop; XC then counterclaims as PGO. A new wagon on RD appears, her and Crab start to bicker for long long pages. Wagon at its peak: (8-) lsu, politicians vote, crab, ga7, rebelman, skoffin, fircoal, cena. After much debates, XC gets lynched. Final vote count: (10) firth, spurg, xencobra, spiesr, roger dodger, crab, rebel, politician, lsu, ga7.
Frankly I still think it was a bad idea and a blessing for the scum to get rid of a PGO, even if he was a claimed one, as a way to sort out the 2 claims. However, looking back my RD solution wasn't better as seeing Chu's behavior then it becomes clearer to me that she's town (and I definitely should have reread this more carefully in the night -_-). Regarding the wagons, I'm a little unsure as obviously scum would not care about putting a terrorist close to a lynch; though it makes me trust Spurg a bit seeing as he almost hammered Fir right away.

Claimed Night 5 events:
Spiesr blocks Skittles
ga7 tracks RD nowhere
LSU dies

I'll try to reflect on Kwan's theories, Spiesr's case which I'm still unsure about, make that list thing and precise my suspicions later cause this took waaaayy too long.

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:46 pm

you tracked me nowhere cause i was at home sleeping.

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:48 pm

so, if he is a roleblocker is that bad?

if so, i would vote for him for sure.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:53 pm

ga7 tracks Neut to Cena
Spiesr blocks ga7

How did this happen?

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:56 pm

GA7 is a tracker
and, the Tracker says Spier is a role blocker.

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:57 pm

okay folks it is 1300hrs and i am done for the day. see ya'll tomorrow

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:57 pm

Well apparently spiesr blocked ga7 but ga7 still found the result of his action.

spiesr · Post by **spiesr** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:06 pm

firth4eva wrote:ga7 tracks Neut to Cena
Spiesr blocks ga7

How did this happen?

Mod Error? I was blocked or something of the sort. I could be a powerless roll blocker? Someone is lying.

spiesr · Post by **spiesr** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:08 pm

ga7 wrote: However my blocking brings two possibilities: either Leia protected me from Nag as the elite bodyguard role means she blocks who she protects

I don't think so, I think that elite bodyguard does not block, just kills whomever tries to kill their target...

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:14 pm

spiesr wrote:
firth4eva wrote:ga7 tracks Neut to Cena
Spiesr blocks ga7

How did this happen?
Mod Error? I was blocked or something of the sort. I could be a powerless roll blocker? Someone is lying.

I think I covered the possibilities if you bother reading something else than the night action summaries

And no, as LSU pointed out and thinking back in games with such a role, elite bodyguard blocks the person he protects to compensate for its sheer awesomeness.
Btw RD I don't say Spiesr is a roleblocker as I have no way to know that, it's what he claimed (but I doubt he isn't).

The Weird One · Post by **The Weird One** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:28 pm

damn. . . this thing grew four or five pages overnight

but one scum away from victory $\:D/$

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:33 pm

ok heres some evidence to back up my theory on speiser

spiesr on day 1 wrote:FOS NES!

he had no way of knowing NES was independant just that he was not scum this was before the bandwagon started rolling on him

spiesr on day 1 wrote:unvote vote ss

he called for a vote on shady also on day 1 - another proven not to be scum

spiesr on day 1 wrote:Unvote vote Clive, If you live, I will probably trust you for no reason, can't let that happen again...

another proven townie fingered by spieser

spiesr on day 1 wrote:Unovote vote Nes
On the emergency bandwagon.

he then gave NES the killer blow - which at the time he assumed was good news for scum

spiesr on day 2 wrote:
Clive wrote:vote nagerous
Why?
I mean, are you going to justify that vote or just do it because someone said to.

he jumped to the defence of his fellow scum

spiesr on day 3 wrote:
Iliad wrote:hmm...what the hell was clive doing?
You mean yesterday, or are you dropping hints about last night?

tried to make clive (townie) look bad

spiesr on day 3 wrote:
diddle wrote:
CrabNebula wrote:
Roger Dodger wrote:Cena's last vote was for minister musket. did he know something we didn't?
Unless he was able to perform two actions per day, he couldn't have. He said he investigated rebel on night 1 and got him town and on night 2 he died (and also got role blocked)!
I haven't been keeping much track, but are you saying you role blocked him, or know of somebody who did?
I think Cena said he was role blocked.

he knew cena was blocked as he was the one that blocked him

spiesr on day 3 wrote:
Clive wrote:I knew he was town and now you are trying to use that against me?
Well, that is the kind of thing mafia usually know...I am not going to vote for you yet though.

again trying to land clive (townie) in it

spiesr wrote:UNVOTE VOTE GA7!
I just went back and checked something, and unless something really weird happen last night you did not track Neutrino. You had better fess up as to why you just lied!

no explanation necessary

spiesr wrote:Unless odd things happened with me last night you could not have tracked anyone!

he blocked ga7 who seems to be town

spiesr on day 3 wrote:I am a roleblocker and last night I blocked you!

he admits to being a roleblocker which i believe he is but he is a scummy 1

spiesr on day 3 wrote:Possibilities:
1. You are lying.
2. I got roleblocked or bus drivered.

I am not lying for I am Master Bra'tac roleblocker. Someone who watches Stargate can verify that this is a moderately important pro town character. By the way, who is your character ga7?
My action so far: (May be handy to verify claims later if I die...)
Night 1 Block mr. incrediball
Night 2 Block ga7

the above is his role claim and details of what he says happened -this is interested when looked at with the cena blocking

spiesr wrote:Both claims would work with that character. Neutrino looks more scummy so...
Unvote Vote Neutrino
If fireedud lied we must kill him next!

he singled out a fellow scum to cover his tracks

spiesr wrote:Okay time for those whom have claimed to tell what they did last night.
I blocked rebelman.
GA7? SS?

Also is it odd that when GA7 tracked the godfather he saw him go to the kill, but when he tracked the hit man he saw nothing?

he blocked me even though at stage all knew i was town after cena's investigation

spiesr wrote:ARRG! I forgot he was the one Cena investigated! Well, I wasted my night...

his very dodgy explanation

spiesr wrote:With out any real leads I don't have good feelings about Skittles!, so Vote: Skittles! Any better ideas and I will promptly change.

nothing up this point or since suggests skittles is scum

spiesr wrote:With no leads the best I can think of is to lynch MM to see what he really is... I know Fircoal will oppose this but, UNVOTE VOTE MM

this started the jester kill again he knew mm was not scum but he couldnt know he was jester.

spiesr wrote:I blocked Fircoal last night...
Sorry for possibly ruining an investigation.

hmmmm

spiesr wrote:At the risk of sounding scummy, I think our best strategy may be to try to force roll claims out of more people. If we play it a little smarter this time around we have a decent chance of telling truth from lies...

again speaks for itself (trying to suss out what us townies do)

spiesr wrote:Unless some else counter claims Dr. Jackson Fircoal is telling the truth!
Unvote

once again backs up his scum buddy

spiesr wrote:We have two people who claimed the same roll and therefore one must be lying, and you vote for someone else? fos CrabNebula...

he fos crab because he knew he was town

spiesr wrote:Arg vote Xen if he is telling the truth we would not want a cop to investiagte him...

even though there were 2 dan js he started the lynch on the genuine one

spiesr wrote:Vote Fircoal!
I wonder what happened last night...

he did this today as we all knew fir was scum so by fingering chu it looked like he was town but he knew the truth

spiesr wrote:Someone seems to think Fircoal was a mafia bomb, this is wrong he was a mafia terrorist. The difference is he does not have to be lynched to use his power if he is a terrorist. If he had been a bomb the day would end when he was lynched and the last person who voted for him would have died. He chose to kill kiwi, why?
I blocked Skittles! last night.
Discuss or aaaah!

i know the death scence made this fairly clear he was very quick to clarify what type of scum chu was