Holy Wars - The Crusades - 13th Century

CHAMPOS · Post by **CHAMPOS** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:08 am

third time lucky

now 38 countries, with rome and jerusalem starting neutral in most games

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happysadfun · Post by **happysadfun** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:38 pm

Rome? I would call it Vatican.

edmundomcpot · Post by **edmundomcpot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:45 pm

yay..my comment was taken onboard...still need a blue sea

happysadfun · Post by **happysadfun** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:50 pm

Three armies a continent? That's way too low.

cowshrptrn · Post by **cowshrptrn** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:18 am

the white background seems a bit harsh imo, try a faded battle scene, a flag, or some texture behind it

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:55 pm

I now disagree you about 38 countries. I feel this map is best designed to have a force a fast expansion and a brutal fight between the players. So, increase the numbers to 40 is worse than maintain them 36. Anyway, the continents shouldnt be very big, or it would be bad to the playability.

Also, I think the new country in Catholics simply waste the continent, it was very bad already when compared to others, so I dislike the idea of add that country. If you think about remove another one, to bring the map again to 36, I think the best one is one from Emirates, but then add again a border between Baghdad and Kublai (or maybe banu and Sicily).

Great job, by the way

zarvinny · Post by **zarvinny** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:43 am

alright, so if you own a continent, you'll receive 2 extra armies if you own Rome OR Jerusalem. So if a territory is 3, you'd get 5 bonus armies right?

Now if you own the territory that is 3 and BOTH of the pink countries, you get 3 + 3 more? or is it 3 + 7 more?

either way, this map looks very similar to the Europe map ... I'm surpised nobody has mentioned that yet.

CHAMPOS · Post by **CHAMPOS** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:25 am

Bonus of 3 for each group of territories

A player owning at least one group of territiories will receive an additional bonus of
2 for owning either ROME or JERUSALEM; and
3 for owning both

i.e. if you own Roman Catholics and Rome - bonus of 5
if you own Roman Catholics and Rome and Jerusalem - bonus of 8

it is close to the new europe map - didn't see it

the differences are the time, the equal bonuses, less continents and the crusade for additional bonuses

gameplay different

i will add pics and sort sea colour out when finalised - keep comments coming on map and gameplay

Lupo · Post by **Lupo** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:25 am

Maybe this could 'cause many problems to solve, but in my opinion Sicily, at least for it history, should be part of Roman Catholic continent.

CHAMPOS · Post by **CHAMPOS** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:18 pm

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updated map

37 continents
(Holy Lands will start neutral in games)
(this will help defend Islam Emirates)

3 armies per continent

if own a continent, a bonus of:
1 for Papal States
2 for Holy Lands

5 continents

happy crusading...

... good to see the crusades are still hot news...
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nascarfan38124 · Post by **nascarfan38124** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:33 pm

i dont like the new way you labled them i couldent find them (except roman catholics) and i had to search for them

also the font you used on the bottom is too confusing and hard to read when you have it at that size i sugest making it bigger or changing the font

casper · Post by **casper** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:35 pm

i don't see how the yellow region is only a 3 bonus when there are 5 border countries someone would have to defend to hold it. put in some mountains somewhere....

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:38 am

Yes, the labels for continents are bad, the legend was much better. And yes, the text in the botton is hard to read. Good thing: I like Papal States name, I want to be Pope

Plus:
Werent the title Crusades 1220 A.D.? I think this was better.
Shouldnt we remove the word "kingdom" from some names at least? Its a bit repetitive...
Is really Holy Roman Empire the best name to that region?

37 countries is ok, best than 38 in my opinion, but can you really force the Holy Lands to start as Neutral? What is the xml code? In this case, shouldnt Baghdad border Kublai? Or maybe add a route to Sulayam?

About the pinkies bonuses, I believe it should be:
+2 to Papal or Holy Lands (yeah, Papal States are important too

).
+6 to both pink countries.
I would like to understand why you changed Papal to 1. So, its not that important... Lets put people to fight for it

Good map.

gavin_sidhu · Post by **gavin_sidhu** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:59 am

I like the idea behind this map, how each continent has the same bonus but have different statistics do suit different types of players.

gavin_sidhu · Post by **gavin_sidhu** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:00 am

I like the idea behind this map, how each continent has the same bonus but have different statistics do suit different types of players.

CHAMPOS · Post by **CHAMPOS** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:00 am

good comments - updated version...

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any final comments???

w3a2 · Post by **w3a2** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:04 am

i like it, although i still think the borders between countries is a bit crappy.

Lupo · Post by **Lupo** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:38 am

Lupo wrote:Maybe this could 'cause many problems to solve, but in my opinion Sicily, at least for it history, should be part of Roman Catholic continent.

What I mean is that Sicily (and south Italy in general) has never been an Ortodox country during it hystory...

Could someone of you give me any kind of feedback?

Moreover, it would be nice to see on the map Sardinia and Corsica. They could be part of sicily or another territory.

Thanks to all of you.

Lupo · Post by **Lupo** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:42 am

Lupo wrote:
Lupo wrote:Maybe this could 'cause many problems to solve, but in my opinion Sicily, at least for its history, should be part of Roman Catholic continent.
What I mean is that Sicily (and south Italy in general) has never been an Ortodox country during it hystory...
Of course it would be a problem if Sicily would be part of roman catholic countries 'cause in this way Rome territory would be totally inside a continent...
But mine it's more a doubt about hystory than the game playability...

Could someone of you give me any kind of feedback?

Moreover, it would be nice to see on the map Sardinia and Corsica. They could be part of sicily or another territory.

Thanks to all of you.

CHAMPOS · Post by **CHAMPOS** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:35 pm

the far southern tip of italy and sicily were difficult

in 1000bc the south was part of the eastern roman empire (future byzantine empire) and sicily was an emirate!!

by 1200 it was a kingdom

i have assumed the far south tip was still closely alogned to the Eastern Roman Empire

you are right though....

Lupo · Post by **Lupo** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:57 pm

Full map of Europe in year 1200

This is a useful link for european maps of the last two millenniums: http://www.euratlas.com/summary.htm

cowshrptrn · Post by **cowshrptrn** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:25 pm

i don't realy like the whole verything is 3 bonus system, the Byzantine Empire has 5 borders, and should be worth more than the pagan barbarians Roman Catholics

nascarfan38124 · Post by **nascarfan38124** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:43 pm

i dont know if you were still planning this but the white background needs to go

but otherwise it looks real good

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:03 am

cowshrptrn wrote:i don't realy like the whole verything is 3 bonus system, the Byzantine Empire has 5 borders, and should be worth more than the pagan barbarians Roman Catholics

This is the idea, it has 6 countries only, and is adjacent to both pink countries. It should work as a passage, I think, or a tough option to hold.

In fact, now I realized one border is removed, and I dislike it. Now this continent is a strong one. The brown one, for example, also has 4 borders, but 7 countries and is not adjacent to Papal...

Plus, I believe the player should have an extra bonus for having both Papal and Holy Lands. That 4 is an additional 4? 8 total? Well, 8 would be to high, and 4 (no bonuses for both) would be low, in my opinion. Anyway, put the word "total", like "4 total armies for holding both"... or "extra". This way the legend is not clear about the both pinks bonus.

Yeah, lets get a sea... maybe some ships, and horsemen in the map

CHAMPOS · Post by **CHAMPOS** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:29 am

final version2!!

lupo - changed to keep you sicilians happy - no horse heads

now 38 countries
5 continents
an historically accurate map!!!

i have taken this as far as i can and my Adobe Illustrtor free trial is running out

i would be willing to e-mail the Illustrator file if anyone wanted to add pics , change water colour etc - let me know...

otherwise, let me have any more comments

Holy Wars - The Crusades - 13th Century

which continent (colour) would you go for first??

Sicily: Ortodox or Catholic?

latest version following feedback

final version

Sicily: Ortodox or Catholic?

Re: Sicily: Ortodox or Catholic?

Full map of Europe in year 1200

final version 2