Ron Paul on Principal

[suggs]

America rose to power on libretarian values and since government has taken a larger role in our lives its gone down hill. post ww2 government is some of the worst governning we have had in years

Er slavery wasnt abolished in the USA until the 1860's. So I'm afraid the US didnt "rise to power on libertarian values".
But it did save the world in '44, '45, '63, and '89-so you're not doing too badly...

[luns101]

His education policies may not impact so internationally but they would certainly cripple a generation of American academia.

You're assuming that our educational system already isn't in the toilet When American kids know more about who moved on in the latest round of American Idol than how their own government works, it's sad day.

luns, with all due respect, this is big. If I recall correctly "The National ID Card was bogus" too. http://www.wired.com/science/discoverie ... 7/03/72843

We are not being told the whole story, there is a subtle push toward a one world government. (as a fellow Christian you should see how that fits into end time prophecy) The question is, how many liberties are we going to give up in the name of "security from terrorism"?

I'm not going to try and refute some of what you're saying because when I do you just move right on to another secret intrusion propagated by the government. Yes, the technology and political events of our day are in place to bring about the events mentioned in the book of Revelation. Why would a Christian be worried about that though? We're not going to be here when those events take place, and skeptics will finally get all the miraculous signs that they mock us for right now.

I like natural rights, civil liberties, and federalism. I watch the news and see how things are shaping up. But if we're moving into an age of hatred against the Christian worldview then that's all the more reason to minister to people. The time for helping those who are hurting is running out, are you going to waste your time worrying about it or helping someone?

So do you think Ron Paul is going to be able to stop end times prophecy from taking place?

The NAU is real, at least the notion of it happening is. But if you stand firm against such idea's occurring, I guess that's what they are hoping for.

All the more reason to minister to people who are hurting. I stand firm in political principles which are ridiculed here. You've seen me called bigot and a whole host of other names for believing in them. So what, the Bible said we would be hated by the world. But that doesn't mean we have to adopt a cultish mentality that we are the only ones who've discovered these secret shenanigans by politicians.

The thing that has really stood out in my mind is the pentagon being hit. I challenge anyone to fly a plane over the pentagon. You will never get anywhere close to it before NORAD has intercepted you, so why on 911 were they not there? It's almost incomprehensible what we are expected to believe, yet...... many do.

Successfully flying commercial planes into federal buildings as an attack was something new. Nobody could have expected that as a tactic. Of course the probability of being successful a 2nd time is minute. It's a new age of viewing our security and we're more prepared.

Well, people are called to do different things by God. To each his own. If me telling people at work and what not, to look at todays events and contrast it with what the Bible says will happen is a bad thing, I will stop when convicted by the spirit.

I hope you don't feel that what you're doing is a ministry. What I'm trying to get through to you is that people are more inclined to take you seriously if you're willing to engage in more practical, everyday things that they're dealing with. It's always the right time to reach out to people who are hurting. It was during the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, the Medieval age, etc...and the same applies if we are indeed living in the end times. In fact, it's even more of an incentive to do good.

To HeavyCola: Only Guiscard's photoshop of myself running for President brought more laughter than your newest signature! I would have liked to see Bigfoot somewhere though.

[heavycola]

Yeah, the CRA sure isn't the whole story, but the bad banks t just count on the fact the govt. 's gonna bail 'em out. A decent bank that knows it needs market forces to balance it and will have more diversified assets, though. Which makes it easier to absorb this kind of problem.

Banks got hit because they were trading in derivatives they didn't really understand. i don't think any bank that got hit by the subprime situation expected to be bailed out. NR was a casualty of the halt to interbank lending, not (largely) due to the bad mortgages themselves.

Luns - i hope you got the 'i'm a sad man with too much time on my hands' subtext

[Napoleon Ier]

Yeah, the CRA sure isn't the whole story, but the bad banks t just count on the fact the govt. 's gonna bail 'em out. A decent bank that knows it needs market forces to balance it and will have more diversified assets, though. Which makes it easier to absorb this kind of problem.

Banks got hit because they were trading in derivatives they didn't really understand. i don't think any bank that got hit by the subprime situation expected to be bailed out. NR was a casualty of the halt to interbank lending, not (largely) due to the bad mortgages themselves.

Halt in interbank lending comes down to the Fed and BoE monetary policy.
I also think you and I can't really say we have a better economic understanding of mortage and debt packages than even pretty bad banks in the US. Unless you have any qualifications in economics, in which case, fair does.

[luns101]

Luns - i hope you got the 'i'm a sad man with too much time on my hands' subtext

Yeah, I got it. But what a lovely way to waste time.

Anyway, I'll be covering a unit that deals with public opinion in about 6 weeks. I mention these conspiracies for a brief amount of time and have used Frigidus' picture of Hulk Hogan bringing down the Twin Towers just to lighten the mood a bit from me lecturing. Could you pm me your signature? I might use it.

[ptlowe]

I voted Romney.............................Go Romney

Well, here I go again...flip flopping like a fish out of water.

I really thought about my choices as a Republican, and I agree with almost everything that Ron Paul is saying...none of the other candidates touch him on economics and foreign policy, in my opinion. I tried to think of who else I could possibly cast a vote for...and I couldn't decide on anybody, except Ron Paul.

My heart and my mind is with Ron Paul and I am casting my vote based on my beliefs and principal. Ron Paul is the right choice for me.

Now let the bashing commense!

[Guiscard]

I'm thinking about writing a musical based on free market economics. We've already had some interest from kevin bacon.

Perhaps a poetic montage in the style of Cats?

[Guiscard]

His education policies may not impact so internationally but they would certainly cripple a generation of American academia.

You're assuming that our educational system already isn't in the toilet When American kids know more about who moved on in the latest round of American Idol than how their own government works, it's sad day.

luns, with all due respect, this is big. If I recall correctly "The National ID Card was bogus" too. http://www.wired.com/science/discoverie ... 7/03/72843

We are not being told the whole story, there is a subtle push toward a one world government. (as a fellow Christian you should see how that fits into end time prophecy) The question is, how many liberties are we going to give up in the name of "security from terrorism"?

I'm not going to try and refute some of what you're saying because when I do you just move right on to another secret intrusion propagated by the government. Yes, the technology and political events of our day are in place to bring about the events mentioned in the book of Revelation. Why would a Christian be worried about that though? We're not going to be here when those events take place, and skeptics will finally get all the miraculous signs that they mock us for right now.

I like natural rights, civil liberties, and federalism. I watch the news and see how things are shaping up. But if we're moving into an age of hatred against the Christian worldview then that's all the more reason to minister to people. The time for helping those who are hurting is running out, are you going to waste your time worrying about it or helping someone?

So do you think Ron Paul is going to be able to stop end times prophecy from taking place?

The NAU is real, at least the notion of it happening is. But if you stand firm against such idea's occurring, I guess that's what they are hoping for.

All the more reason to minister to people who are hurting. I stand firm in political principles which are ridiculed here. You've seen me called bigot and a whole host of other names for believing in them. So what, the Bible said we would be hated by the world. But that doesn't mean we have to adopt a cultish mentality that we are the only ones who've discovered these secret shenanigans by politicians.

The thing that has really stood out in my mind is the pentagon being hit. I challenge anyone to fly a plane over the pentagon. You will never get anywhere close to it before NORAD has intercepted you, so why on 911 were they not there? It's almost incomprehensible what we are expected to believe, yet...... many do.

Successfully flying commercial planes into federal buildings as an attack was something new. Nobody could have expected that as a tactic. Of course the probability of being successful a 2nd time is minute. It's a new age of viewing our security and we're more prepared.

Well, people are called to do different things by God. To each his own. If me telling people at work and what not, to look at todays events and contrast it with what the Bible says will happen is a bad thing, I will stop when convicted by the spirit.

I hope you don't feel that what you're doing is a ministry. What I'm trying to get through to you is that people are more inclined to take you seriously if you're willing to engage in more practical, everyday things that they're dealing with. It's always the right time to reach out to people who are hurting. It was during the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, the Medieval age, etc...and the same applies if we are indeed living in the end times. In fact, it's even more of an incentive to do good.

To HeavyCola: Only Guiscard's photoshop of myself running for President brought more laughter than your newest signature! I would have liked to see Bigfoot somewhere though.

Jay, I think you just got rejected by religion.

What do you have left?

[Dancing Mustard]

He always has Ron Paul's sweet warm bosom...

[Tyr]

America rose to power on libretarian values and since government has taken a larger role in our lives its gone down hill. post ww2 government is some of the worst governning we have had in years

Er slavery wasnt abolished in the USA until the 1860's. So I'm afraid the US didnt "rise to power on libertarian values".
But it did save the world in '44, '45, '63, and '89-so you're not doing too badly...

actually i was talking about free markets, individual rights non-interference, no foriegn entanglements.

[Nephilim]

Well, here I go again...flip flopping like a fish out of water.

I really thought about my choices as a Republican, and I agree with almost everything that Ron Paul is saying...none of the other candidates touch him on economics and foreign policy, in my opinion. I tried to think of who else I could possibly cast a vote for...and I couldn't decide on anybody, except Ron Paul.

My heart and my mind is with Ron Paul and I am casting my vote based on my beliefs and principal. Ron Paul is the right choice for me.

Now let the bashing commense!

if you can't spell "principle" correctly, why should we care about your political opinions? why should you even have a vote?

[jay_a2j]

luns, with all due respect, this is big. If I recall correctly "The National ID Card was bogus" too. http://www.wired.com/science/discoverie ... 7/03/72843

We are not being told the whole story, there is a subtle push toward a one world government. (as a fellow Christian you should see how that fits into end time prophecy) The question is, how many liberties are we going to give up in the name of "security from terrorism"?

I'm not going to try and refute some of what you're saying because when I do you just move right on to another secret intrusion propagated by the government. Yes, the technology and political events of our day are in place to bring about the events mentioned in the book of Revelation. Why would a Christian be worried about that though? We're not going to be here when those events take place, and skeptics will finally get all the miraculous signs that they mock us for right now.

I like natural rights, civil liberties, and federalism. I watch the news and see how things are shaping up. But if we're moving into an age of hatred against the Christian worldview then that's all the more reason to minister to people. The time for helping those who are hurting is running out, are you going to waste your time worrying about it or helping someone?

So do you think Ron Paul is going to be able to stop end times prophecy from taking place?

Why do you presume I am a pre-trib rapture believer? "Waste your time"? Kinda judgemental aren't we? And you know that I am not "helping someone" how?

All the more reason to minister to people who are hurting. I stand firm in political principles which are ridiculed here. You've seen me called bigot and a whole host of other names for believing in them. So what, the Bible said we would be hated by the world. But that doesn't mean we have to adopt a cultish mentality that we are the only ones who've discovered these secret shenanigans by politicians.

Wow, look for the plank my friend.

Successfully flying commercial planes into federal buildings as an attack was something new. Nobody could have expected that as a tactic. Of course the probability of being successful a 2nd time is minute. It's a new age of viewing our security and we're more prepared.

You say terrorism, I say government. Had I not known it was you luns, I might have made the mistake of thinking the above quote was from Sean Hannity or Bush himself.

I hope you don't feel that what you're doing is a ministry. What I'm trying to get through to you is that people are more inclined to take you seriously if you're willing to engage in more practical, everyday things that they're dealing with. It's always the right time to reach out to people who are hurting. It was during the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, the Medieval age, etc...and the same applies if we are indeed living in the end times. In fact, it's even more of an incentive to do good.

And who are you to say it isn't? (Not that I ever said it was) I haven't seen this side of you luns, judgemental and all. But if picking apart other people and criticizing them for not "being like you", works for you, have at it. I think this is the "Holier than thou attitude" like the Pharisees back in the day had.



Well I'm done here. And by "here" I do not mean this thread or this post. I mean this site. It's bad enough to have all the non-Christians passing judgement (but is expected) but when Christians start passing judgement that's when it's time to go.


Good luck, God bless and goodbye all.

[Neutrino]

... wow...
Who will we mock ruthlessly because of their crazy theories now?
And I think it's a bit stupid of you to expect a whole different standard from people, merely because they vaguely share your religion.

[Guiscard]

actually i was talking about free markets, individual rights non-interference, no foriegn entanglements.

Ever hear of the Philippenes in regards to foreign entanglements?

As for free trade, you do realise the US was the biggest shining example of protectionism in the world? Pre-world war America was based around the principles of aggressive expansion and a rejection of free trade.

Don't let Jay's Paulism's get to you. They are, for the most part, pseudo-historical crap.

[Jamie]

Is Ron Paul related to Ru Paul?

[Guiscard]

Is Ron Paul related to Ru Paul?

Go grass in a pot smoker or something, pizza boy.

[Snorri1234]

Is Ron Paul related to Ru Paul?

[Napoleon Ier]

America rose to power on libretarian values and since government has taken a larger role in our lives its gone down hill. post ww2 government is some of the worst governning we have had in years

Er slavery wasnt abolished in the USA until the 1860's. So I'm afraid the US didnt "rise to power on libertarian values".
But it did save the world in '44, '45, '63, and '89-so you're not doing too badly...

actually i was talking about free markets, individual rights non-interference, no foriegn entanglements.

You mean....the government not doing something for us??!! But that's crazy talk!!

[vtmarik]

Well I'm done here. And by "here" I do not mean this thread or this post. I mean this site. It's bad enough to have all the non-Christians passing judgement (but is expected) but when Christians start passing judgement that's when it's time to go.


Good luck, God bless and goodbye all.

Ok, take your ball and go home.

I honestly don't see where Luns passed judgment, but if that's what it is then goodbye and safe travels.

[Napoleon Ier]

actually i was talking about free markets, individual rights non-interference, no foriegn entanglements.

Ever hear of the Philippenes in regards to foreign entanglements?

As for free trade, you do realise the US was the biggest shining example of protectionism in the world? Pre-world war America was based around the principles of aggressive expansion and a rejection of free trade.

Don't let Jay's Paulism's get to you. They are, for the most part, pseudo-historical crap.

US Protectionism...ahhh yes, you mean the one that led to the Civil War?

Come one Guissy...the original revolutionnaries were protesting trade tariffs and other such nonsense. Was there a freer Nation than the US of A at that time? You should read some Tocqueville...
Also, I know you're a historian and all, but c'mon...I mean, protectionism? I was daft enough not all that long ago, but a man of your academic stature, even if not actually an economist....

[Snorri1234]

Well I'm done here. And by "here" I do not mean this thread or this post. I mean this site. It's bad enough to have all the non-Christians passing judgement (but is expected) but when Christians start passing judgement that's when it's time to go.


Good luck, God bless and goodbye all.

Ok, take your ball and go home.

I honestly don't see where Luns passed judgment, but if that's what it is then goodbye and safe travels.

Jay is gone? Wtf?

[Guiscard]

actually i was talking about free markets, individual rights non-interference, no foriegn entanglements.

Ever hear of the Philippenes in regards to foreign entanglements?

As for free trade, you do realise the US was the biggest shining example of protectionism in the world? Pre-world war America was based around the principles of aggressive expansion and a rejection of free trade.

Don't let Jay's Paulism's get to you. They are, for the most part, pseudo-historical crap.

US Protectionism...ahhh yes, you mean the one that led to the Civil War?

Come one Guissy...the original revolutionnaries were protesting trade tariffs and other such nonsense. Was there a freer Nation than the US of A at that time? You should read some Tocqueville...
Also, I know you're a historian and all, but c'mon...I mean, protectionism? I was daft enough not all that long ago, but a man of your academic stature, even if not actually an economist....

Nappy, what are you blabbering about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectionism

Perhaps scroll down to the section on 'Historical American protectionism'

Or, perhaps, try the American School of economics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_S ... onomics%29

[Napoleon Ier]

Well bugger me sideways and call me jim...Guiscard presents us with brilliant, referenced articles, that prove...well, that protectionsism exists.
I'm telling you it's economic bullshit and caused the Civil War.
Did you howver ever hear of Lerner Symmetry Condition or Ricardo's theory of Comparative Advantage? Of Johnson sending in troops to quell South Carolina's anti-protectionnism?

[Snorri1234]

I have no idea what you're blabbering about, Nappy. You do realise that a) Guiscard was responding to Tyr's claims that free trade made the USA big and government interference is stopping that, which is just plain wrong, and b) the confederacy was protesting against the government setting their slaves free which led to the Civil War?

[Guiscard]

Well bugger me sideways and call me jim...Guiscard presents us with brilliant, referenced articles, that prove...well, that protectionsism exists.
I'm telling you it's economic bullshit and caused the Civil War.
Did you howver ever hear of Lerner Symmetry Condition or Ricardo's theory of Comparative Advantage? Of Johnson sending in troops to quell South Carolina's anti-protectionnism?

Nappy, you seem to be interpreting my post wrongly. I was responding to the Tyr's ridiculous statement that pre-World War the US embodied a commitment to free-market economics, non-interference in individual rights and a rejection of foreign entanglements.

I really don't understand what shitty points you're trying to score here. Any basic GCSE-level modern history class will tell you that the American economic system was essentially based on protectionist principles pre-World War.