Deadwood Mafia Its all over! Thanks for playing

[Sierra_Leon]

SL = SKIMMAH!

You didn't see the part where she replaced someone, did you?

Too many replacements to keep track of.

[Sierra_Leon]

Alright so I went over LoVo's posts and there weren't much scum tells apart from him getting upset over AD's vote. Here's a summary of his posts:

LoVo DAY 1

1) random votes fircoal
2) when bandwagon reaches a peak he unvotes and random votes diddle
3) votes fircoal for mixing up priest and actor roles, long after his roleclaim
4) FOS clive for protecting fircoal
5) reminds mod of the pending question of fircoal's votes being counted
6) notices that lastest vote count includes fircoal's votes, so he can't be an actor
--- at this point gimpy corrects his vote count
7) unvotes and FOS anyone who doesn't also unvote
8) asks for someone more familiar with Deadwood to comment on Roger Dodger's weird posts
9) advices RD not to play a role
10) votes skoffin for her bandwagoning behaviour in other games
11) unvotes skoffin after watcher claim

My comments:
2) this is a big plus, because the bandwagon was there for absolutely no reason.
3) this is a small minus, because fircoal actually got it right in his claim, but mixed them up when someone asked for clarification. I thought it was pretty clear it was accidental, but not a scum slip up.
4) that FOS had good reasoning to it.
5-6) looking for proof to his votes is a plus.
7) plus.
8-11) neutral. his unvote on skoffin was remarkable fast after her claim and without explanation.


LoVo DAY 2

12) says skoffin's bandwagon was to get her active and his vote was there because a lot of experienced players voted her
13) calls kwan's logic stupid
14) agrees that ExplainThis is town since he took over fircoal's actor role
15) asks why ExplainThis had no opinion on kwanton.
16) finds it odd that ET had no opinion on kwanton.
17) chatting with ET about mods using jesters
18) thinks kwanton might be jester
19) FOS AD for not contributing and then voting him
20) explains he was in hospital earlier. Votes diddle for submarining
21) is angry AD votes him for no good reason
22) something about lurking
23) explains AD voting him for submarining when he was in the hospital

My comments:
12) part of his reasoning where he mentioned he followed the more experienced players was flawed, as he was on the bandwagon very early.
13) he's right.
18) reasoning makes sense, although I don't think he is.
19-23) his biggest minus. he acts overdefensively here and seems to want to divert the attention away to diddle.

He actually came over more pro-town than mafia to me, so I won't be placing my vote there. While I was rereading, nag's behaviours early in day 1 came across as pretty scummy to me, so expect the same kind of summary on him in my next post.

[lord voldemort]

i was saying me plus other experienced players...im putting myself in that group were on skoffin. and the whole ad thing i think its stupid that ad pops up and votes me for submarining even though it was announced that i was on hospital hence wouldnt be active. thats a bit botched dont u think

[CrabNebula]

I find it odd that you would go over the length to just point whether he is right or not. And that assessment isn't complete either since it misses another vital point when he was accused of being linked to kalish and his defense was pretty weak. But the attention was diverted to someone else and he got off.

[lord voldemort]

I find it odd that you would go over the length to just point whether he is right or not. And that assessment isn't complete either since it misses another vital point when he was accused of being linked to kalish and his defense was pretty weak. But the attention was diverted to someone else and he got off.

are u sure thats this game...we are in too many

[Skittles!]

I think that was 1/16

[lord voldemort]

I think that was 1/16

same

[CrabNebula]

Are you sure? I apologize for mix-up then. Not to self: Don't join too many games.

[Sierra_Leon]

As promised, the same summary for nag:

Nag DAY 1

1) random votes serbia and random FOS talapus
2) random votes koesen
3) asked for claim pretty quickly after fircoal got senselessly bandwagoned
4) FOS fircoal when he was too busy at school to claim at that moment
5) pointed out fircoal mixed up actor and priest. However, didn't point out that he said it right in an earlier post
6) says fircoal's roleclaim name makes sense and asks everyone to unvote
7) something about fircoal not getting a warning for voting, but gimpy meaning to give one
--- at this point gimpy corrects his vote count
8) votes Crab (for going after fircoal and clive?)
9) says that browng always looks scummy
10) FOS sierra for always being scum
11) notes that clive hasn't been pushing for his lynch like usual
12) says that he would be happy to jump on the skoffin bandwagon, but wants to see vote count first so nobody hammers before the claim
13) doesn't understand the clive bandwagon
14) explains that priests can't recruit, but their only power is not being able to hammer people.
15) votes skoffin
16) unvotes skoffin after watcher claim
17) comments on how crab is acting scummy
18) votes roger dodger for her "you guys can just kill me" comment

My comments:
3) Minus. there was no reason for the bandwagon, so I don't think fircoal should have had to claimed there.
4) Small minus. I got that argument used against me before, and it's bullshit. Honest roleclaims should be given just as carefully as fake ones, because you get lynched if you have to correct yourself later.
5) Small minus, see my comments on lovo's point 3 in my previous post.
6) This is a small plus, as his roleclaim indeed made sense.
8) Small plus, as Crab was acting scummy there.
9-11) Goes metagaming all of a sudden?
12) This is a minus actually. Again, he is already pushing for a claim. And again the bandwagon was based on nothing.
13) Small plus, as I agree it was a senseless wagon.
15-18) like LoVo on this part: neutral. his unvote on skoffin was remarkable fast after her claim.


Nag DAY 2

19) notices AD's hypocrisy. Apologises for not having much time at the moment.
20) asks if ExplainThis is from mafiascum

Nothing to comment on here.


I'm considering voting nag, because of him pushing for claims. However, if he's town he might be onto something with his accusations on Crab. Could somebody please make a similar summary on Crab? I don't want to go over the thread again.

[Sierra_Leon]

I find it odd that you would go over the length to just point whether he is right or not. And that assessment isn't complete either since it misses another vital point when he was accused of being linked to kalish and his defense was pretty weak. But the attention was diverted to someone else and he got off.

I'm pretty sure I didn't miss any of his posts. Same for nag, except I'm a little less sure because he has the same stupid avatar as Iliad and skoffin.

The reason I'm going over this length is because I'm getting tired of people bandwagoning senselessly. Hopefully this will encourage others to also read back some more and find some actual scumtells.

[CrabNebula]

Yeah someone do it with an unbaised POV

[Skittles!]

Yeah someone do it with an unbaised POV

I would do it, if I wasn't lazy to go over 89 pages of mafia. I might do it tomorrow if no one has done it yet.

[nagerous]

Sierra I don't understand why I particularly need an evaluation. I also feel perfectly justified in all of my actions so far in this game. The only thing I regret is not being able to read through the whole thread and find some quality arguments at this current moment in time. I will try and be more active and since coming back from the weekend I am reading up etc. the FOS on you was technically a joke but it was still a fair comment. Also, there are merits to metagaming, it gives us clear indication about playing styles, though metagaming only works on the weaker mafia players. Why not push for claims, if there weren't claims then pro-town roles would be lynched and it just gives the town help as we learn who is pro-town, who isn't. I've always been a believer of claiming early before some trigger-happy noob comes and hammers and when I made the fircoal claim comment he was very close to lynch and people were just making unvote vote fircoal comments, without actual contribution. I can't see why they aren't being criticised. If it wasn't for claims, especially when there is a name to go with the roles, mafia playing would be very hard and hence I've always supported them though not in every situation. Clive metagaming made me try and say that he shouldn't be lynched and sure enough he wasn't lynched. Other players like Crab I have just found him to be scummy all game and I'm sorry if no-one agrees me theres not much I can do right now.

[nagerous]

I find it odd that you would go over the length to just point whether he is right or not. And that assessment isn't complete either since it misses another vital point when he was accused of being linked to kalish and his defense was pretty weak. But the attention was diverted to someone else and he got off.

I'm pretty sure I didn't miss any of his posts. Same for nag, except I'm a little less sure because he has the same stupid avatar as Iliad and skoffin.

The avatar was my design, they copied .

[mandalorian2298]

Koesie, your unquestioning willingess to risk my lynch fills me with feelings both warm and fuzzy.

The electric chair does that to you. Oh wait, wrong time... Would you settle for a pire and feelings both warm and crisp?

ROFL

FYI, I am not a Lyncher, cocksucker. Besides, even if I were a Lyncher, I would never use the Lynching Game to bring down a Lynchee (it would be a bad long term strategy since people would start doubting my motives for the Lynching game in every other game that I play).

[ga7]

clive (13) - f1fth, lalaland, kwanton, talapus, LSU, crab*, diddle, browng, kalish/SL, willis, Iliad, skoffin, f1fth

skoffin (9 ) - koesen, skoffin, serbia, Voldemort, Roger Dodger, clive, russianfire, nagerous, crab*

Just to make an observation as a whole, Skoffin is the only person on both bandwagons.

* O RLY?
It's ok Pancake, you just lost your touch a bit

[Koesen]

If I did it right, this should lead to Day Two

yes but how did you do it? i wanna know how to be a fancy lad too

Well, if you quote me, don't you see the whole code?

[nagerous]

You don't need to do a whole read of the thread to review a certain player, its pretty easy to do just by using the search facility.

[Anarkistsdream]

Sierra_Leon said that I have been a hypocrite. How?

[Koesen]

Can anyone who knows the show verify whether Diddle claimed an important character? If so, I'll unvote.

[Anarkistsdream]

Can anyone who knows the show verify whether Diddle claimed an important character? If so, I'll unvote.

I can't find his claim. Where is it?

[diddle]

I think I'm close to a lynch, so here's my claim. I am E.B Farnum (mayor). Obviously a pro-town role, so a waste of a lynch.

Does it matter whether or not I'm an important character. I've told you my role so its up to you to decide whether or not you want to lynch me.

[Anarkistsdream]

I think I'm close to a lynch, so here's my claim. I am E.B Farnum (mayor). Obviously a pro-town role, so a waste of a lynch.

Does it matter whether or not I'm an important character. I've told you my role so its up to you to decide whether or not you want to lynch me.

Then, yes, I believe him, everyone. Farnum is an EXTREMELY important character. He was the town bitch, so they made him mayor because he was easy to push around.

I still think LoVo is the best bet, followed by Sierra_Leon. He is going through a lot of trouble to point fingers.

[Koesen]

I think I'm close to a lynch, so here's my claim. I am E.B Farnum (mayor). Obviously a pro-town role, so a waste of a lynch.

Page 88.

[Anarkistsdream]

I think I'm close to a lynch, so here's my claim. I am E.B Farnum (mayor). Obviously a pro-town role, so a waste of a lynch.

Page 88.

You've done been fast-posted.... Twice.