are you patriotic for your country?

Appalachian · Post by **Appalachian** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:29 pm

I love my country-- I have fought in defense of it.

luns101 · Post by **luns101** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:42 pm

Fircoal wrote:
luns101 wrote:Yes, I love my country and would die in defense of it.

I'd never want to die in defense of my country.

I wasn't asking you to

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:13 am

luns101 wrote:
Fircoal wrote:
luns101 wrote:Yes, I love my country and would die in defense of it.

I'd never want to die in defense of my country.

I wasn't asking you to

I know, I was just stating.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:17 am

The US and I have a love hate relationship. It depends on the day, really.

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:19 am

luns101 wrote:Yes, I love my country and would die in defense of it.

It's situational for me. I suppose defense is the key word, I wouldn't die in Iraq for instance. If we were attacked I would fight, but since that pretty much won't happen I suppose it doesn't mean much.

edwinissweet · Post by **edwinissweet** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:22 am

i consider myself american but i will never cheer for them in football.

my true colors are red,white, and green with a eagle in the middle when it comes to sports. thats the way i was raised, and it will always be that way since my love for football goes beyond any patriotism

lord voldemort · Post by **lord voldemort** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:24 am

i love australia. i would die for its defence esp now we have a new govt..
i love everything about this country

Appalachian · Post by **Appalachian** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:25 am

Frigidus wrote:
luns101 wrote:Yes, I love my country and would die in defense of it.

It's situational for me. I suppose defense is the key word, I wouldn't die in Iraq for instance. If we were attacked I would fight, but since that pretty much won't happen I suppose it doesn't mean much.

Lest we forget......
http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html

http://oldbluejacket.com/9_11_2001.htm

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:29 am

Appalachian wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
luns101 wrote:Yes, I love my country and would die in defense of it.

It's situational for me. I suppose defense is the key word, I wouldn't die in Iraq for instance. If we were attacked I would fight, but since that pretty much won't happen I suppose it doesn't mean much.

Lest we forget......
http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html

http://oldbluejacket.com/9_11_2001.htm

True, but it wasn't Iraq that hit the WTC and the terrorist organization that committed the crime has no physical boundaries. The last truly just war the US fought in was the Korean War, and that occurred over 50 years ago.

muy_thaiguy · Post by **muy_thaiguy** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:32 am

Frigidus wrote:
Appalachian wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
luns101 wrote:Yes, I love my country and would die in defense of it.

It's situational for me. I suppose defense is the key word, I wouldn't die in Iraq for instance. If we were attacked I would fight, but since that pretty much won't happen I suppose it doesn't mean much.

Lest we forget......
http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html

http://oldbluejacket.com/9_11_2001.htm

True, but it wasn't Iraq that hit the WTC and the terrorist organization that committed the crime has no physical boundaries. The last truly just war the US fought in was the Korean War, and that occurred over 50 years ago.

So, liberating Kuwait was a bad thing?

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:36 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
Appalachian wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
luns101 wrote:Yes, I love my country and would die in defense of it.

It's situational for me. I suppose defense is the key word, I wouldn't die in Iraq for instance. If we were attacked I would fight, but since that pretty much won't happen I suppose it doesn't mean much.

Lest we forget......
http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html

http://oldbluejacket.com/9_11_2001.htm

True, but it wasn't Iraq that hit the WTC and the terrorist organization that committed the crime has no physical boundaries. The last truly just war the US fought in was the Korean War, and that occurred over 50 years ago.
So, liberating Kuwait was a bad thing?

Our motives were good ones, but because we pulled out afterwards we allowed even more violence to occur. Kind of the opposite of now...not very crystal clear motives but a will to wait things out.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:38 am

Frigidus wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
Appalachian wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
luns101 wrote:Yes, I love my country and would die in defense of it.

It's situational for me. I suppose defense is the key word, I wouldn't die in Iraq for instance. If we were attacked I would fight, but since that pretty much won't happen I suppose it doesn't mean much.

Lest we forget......
http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html

http://oldbluejacket.com/9_11_2001.htm

True, but it wasn't Iraq that hit the WTC and the terrorist organization that committed the crime has no physical boundaries. The last truly just war the US fought in was the Korean War, and that occurred over 50 years ago.
So, liberating Kuwait was a bad thing?

Our motives were good ones, but because we pulled out afterwards we allowed even more violence to occur. Kind of the opposite of now...not very crystal clear motives but a will to wait things out.

Kinda ironic, actually. If we were going to go into Iraq, we would have been more justified then...

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:39 am

Neoteny wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
Appalachian wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
luns101 wrote:Yes, I love my country and would die in defense of it.

It's situational for me. I suppose defense is the key word, I wouldn't die in Iraq for instance. If we were attacked I would fight, but since that pretty much won't happen I suppose it doesn't mean much.

Lest we forget......
http://www.fdnylodd.com/BloodofHeroes.html

http://oldbluejacket.com/9_11_2001.htm

True, but it wasn't Iraq that hit the WTC and the terrorist organization that committed the crime has no physical boundaries. The last truly just war the US fought in was the Korean War, and that occurred over 50 years ago.
So, liberating Kuwait was a bad thing?

Our motives were good ones, but because we pulled out afterwards we allowed even more violence to occur. Kind of the opposite of now...not very crystal clear motives but a will to wait things out.

Kinda ironic, actually. If we were going to go into Iraq, we would have been more justified then...

Yup, wouldn't have been anywhere near as unpopular as it is now. It is, admittedly, strange.

Appalachian · Post by **Appalachian** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:46 am

Lets see--------

Grenada-- Was in Basic Training at the time
How about the Cold War-- Done that
Panama -- Did that
Honduras-- Supported that
Gulf War I -- Bad memories there
South America -- That was against the Cartel
Gulf War 2 -- Was not fun
Afghanistan -- Neither was this one
Balkans -- Definite good done there
Iraq and Afghanistan Revisited

ahhhhhhh--If I look at my LES and I am receiving combat and hazardous duty pay = Your at war dude..........

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:01 am

The1exile wrote:Ish. There's a difference between patriotism and jingoism that's too often overlooked. I'm proud to come from a nation which has produced such great people as Winston Churchill, Nelson, Isambard Kingdom Brunel and so on, but I doubt that would affect my judgement much if I had to choose something on basis of my nationality (because it's the present that controls the decisions of the moment ultimately, not the past).

This is probably about right.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:22 am

Anyway, what does flag-waving have to do with being patriotic? I see that more as a statement about oneself than about the country the flag of which you're waving. A visual version of "look at me, I'm PATRIOTIC, I love MY COUNTRY, I'm PROUD to be a whatever" usually with an addition along the lines of "and if you disagree with me you're not patriotic". It's really just a means of creating an in-group and an out-group.

Tyr · Post by **Tyr** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:35 am

patriotism is knowing your country is superior to every other country just because you were born there

-george bernard shaw

A real patriot gets a parking ticket and is happy because the system works

-bill vaughn

intellectually i know america is no better then any country, emotionally i know america is better then any country

-sinclair louis

reminisco · Post by **reminisco** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:35 am

damn, you cant' embed video... prolly cause it'd be such a headache for the mods.

well, follow this link.

greatest patriotic song ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Pc1CcSTJw

Iz Man · Post by **Iz Man** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:58 pm

btownmeggy wrote:...... because there are some things about my country that I like.

I love Jimmy Carter, fast food, Canada & Mexico, our national parks, shooting off fireworks on the 4th of July, PBS, and the song "Grand Old Flag".

ignotus · Post by **ignotus** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:59 pm

Iz Man wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:...... because there are some things about my country that I like.

I love Jimmy Carter, fast food, Canada & Mexico, our national parks, shooting off fireworks on the 4th of July, PBS, and the song "Grand Old Flag".

Neighbors! :roll:

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:00 pm

ignotus wrote:
Iz Man wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:...... because there are some things about my country that I like.

I love Jimmy Carter, fast food, Canada & Mexico, our national parks, shooting off fireworks on the 4th of July, PBS, and the song "Grand Old Flag".

Neighbors!

Location, location, location.

Iz Man · Post by **Iz Man** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:01 pm

Frigidus wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:So, liberating Kuwait was a bad thing?
Our motives were good ones, but because we pulled out afterwards we allowed even more violence to occur. Kind of the opposite of now...not very crystal clear motives but a will to wait things out.

So much for listening to the almighty U.N., eh?

Grooveman2007 · Post by **Grooveman2007** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:48 pm

Iz Man wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:So, liberating Kuwait was a bad thing?
Our motives were good ones, but because we pulled out afterwards we allowed even more violence to occur. Kind of the opposite of now...not very crystal clear motives but a will to wait things out.

So much for listening to the almighty U.N., eh?

The U.N.'s policy of don't shoot unless fired upon is by far the dumbest policy for a peace keeping force. All they can do is watch while the people they were sent to protect get slaughtered. If they were actually allowed to kill the people commiting the atrocities, maybe there would be less genocides.

Snowpepsi · Post by **Snowpepsi** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:41 pm

When I was in 2nd grade I sang "You're a Grand Ole Flag" in a talent show. I still remember the words.

You're a grand ole flag
you're a high flyin' flag
and forever in peace may you wave.

You're the emblem of
the land I love
the home of the free and the brave.

Every heart beats true
for the red, white and blue
where there's never a boast or brag

And should all aquaintance be forgot
keep your eyes on the Grand Ole Flag.

I think that's right, it's how I remember it anyway.

radiojake · Post by **radiojake** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:56 pm

lord voldemort wrote:i love australia. i would die for its defence esp now we have a new govt..
i love everything about this country

Rudd is only slightly better than Howard, and it can't be hard to be better than Howard.

You would die for the country?? Lamest shit I've ever heard
You love everything about this country? Even the inherent racism that this country has? The fact that every 3rd Ute that drives pass has either a 'Australia: FULL' sticker, or a 'Speak English or f*ck Off' sticker?

I certainly love the biggots that this country holds, that's for sure