if your the president

[Stymie]

1. Change our judicial system. For example; (America has become obsessed with suing people for the craziest things.)
Just one of the many things wrong with our judicial system.

2. Education- someone mentioned in a earlier post about this. Teach our children instead of worrying so much about the State Tests. It is unbelievable how much stress they put on our children about these tests. My son is in 3rd grade, and he is so worried he will do poorly on the tests starting next week. He is a intelligent boy and does very well in school. After all, these tests are mainly for the school and teachers.

3. Health care - need I say more.

[johnnyrotten]

Teach people proper English. (To the original poster)

Dang, you got there first

[Napoleon Ier]

And......the raving socialist bum chum of big govt. has been hacked. There's no other way to explain it...

I merely hold close to socialist ideals ... you just confuse me for a lefty because you're stupid and extremely right-wing.

Pure gold I tell you. This clown is pure gold...

[Snorri1234]

And......the raving socialist bum chum of big govt. has been hacked. There's no other way to explain it...

I merely hold close to socialist ideals ... you just confuse me for a lefty because you're stupid and extremely right-wing.

Pure gold I tell you. This clown is pure gold...

The great thing about socialism is that the ideals are pretty much agreed upon by everyone. Unless you're saying that not everyone deserves healthcare or education (not to mention a job) you can't disagree.

(Ofcourse those damn dirty foreigners don't deserve them, AMIRITE?)

Face it, Nappy, you're stupid because you twisted the other side into something evil you can disagree with. You make the other side into an extreme to feel comfortable about your stance.

[Jack boot Joey]

Ahh, see snorri, this is where you and I fundementally disagree.

Yes sure, socialism to a basic thinker seems like the be-all and end-all to every financial issue. It sounds great, businesses pay for the subsidisation of national services and welfare of the nation, whilst a healthy levekl of stealth taxes on all products and services ensures that the country can provide thousands upon thousands of needless, pen-pushing, public secter jobs for the slightly less practical and useful people in the nation....sounds fantastic, to the naive and basic economic thinker.

I'll admit, that when I was age 14 -18 I was indeed (economically speaking) a bit of a lefty, as I did not really understand a great deal about about the economics of the land....Yeah, socialism sounded great (which is also a reason why I have respect for napoleon, learning such excellent concepts at his young age, and why I have little respect for others, who are in their late 20's-early 30's, who are still grasping onto this 6th-form, "we iz teh revolushoz0r" numpties, who seem to understand nothing, other than bumming about, not doing anything practical.

But when one matures, becomes slightly more "in the know" and looks deeper into economic processes, systems and chains, one will begin to understand, that to create a society in which is not only wealthy across the board, can sustain strong industry, and compete on every level with the industry of all other nations, we must begin to take some drastic measures in the way that tax is collected, the way that the government works, public spending, and the reformation of the public secter.

I for one, have am ideal similiar to that of the original "american dream", where most can be small business owners, all can be wealthy...I know that this never worked in practice for the most part in america (due to the acquisiton of the economic control of the nation by a small group of malicious power-mongers, who not only caused the american stock market crash, but also the repressment of economic growth) But it is very much so possible.

See, I believe in choice, choice of where one wants to spend their hard-earned cash. Choice of which medi-care plan one wants to take, choice of which school one would like to send their children, choice of where one would like to spend their inflated pay-packages. Not a quasi-tyrannical society, that steals your cash from under your nose, to fund their own little social experiments in a slovenly, unefficient, lemon-tea swilling way, making the people poorer, less to spend on products and services - businesses go bust - people out of work - higher strain on welfare - more taxes incurred - small businesses struggle and so on, so forth.

See, this bloated nuu laybor government is a stagnant cess-pit, no growth, no economic sense.

[Iliad]

1. bring back death penalty

2. stop giving money to poorer countries and think about ourselves 1st before we help another country

3. foreigners can live and work in the country unless if they know english and have a skill and have integrated into being british

4. focus more on the army giving them the right equiptment

5. only engage in war if were getting a benefit out of it

6. convert to green energy and stop relying on countries like russia and the middle east

7. make more neuclear weapons

8 make more airbases in foreign countries

9. legalise prostitution

10. make everyone british again, why? because even though i dont want to be british, when my country becomes a sence of national pride only then can we be unified and be british

11. keep multi-culturalism to a minimum! multi-culturalism only creates problems and arguments

Kill me now

[Dancing Mustard]

Ahh, see snorri, this is where you and I fundementally disagree.

Yes sure, socialism to a basic thinker seems like the be-all and end-all to every financial issue. It sounds great, businesses pay for the subsidisation of national services and welfare of the nation, whilst a healthy levekl of stealth taxes on all products and services ensures that the country can provide thousands upon thousands of needless, pen-pushing, public secter jobs for the slightly less practical and useful people in the nation....sounds fantastic, to the naive and basic economic thinker.

I'll admit, that when I was age 14 -18 I was indeed (economically speaking) a bit of a lefty, as I did not really understand a great deal about about the economics of the land....Yeah, socialism sounded great (which is also a reason why I have respect for napoleon, learning such excellent concepts at his young age, and why I have little respect for others, who are in their late 20's-early 30's, who are still grasping onto this 6th-form, "we iz teh revolushoz0r" numpties, who seem to understand nothing, other than bumming about, not doing anything practical.

But when one matures, becomes slightly more "in the know" and looks deeper into economic processes, systems and chains, one will begin to understand, that to create a society in which is not only wealthy across the board, can sustain strong industry, and compete on every level with the industry of all other nations, we must begin to take some drastic measures in the way that tax is collected, the way that the government works, public spending, and the reformation of the public secter.

I for one, have am ideal similiar to that of the original "american dream", where most can be small business owners, all can be wealthy...I know that this never worked in practice for the most part in america (due to the acquisiton of the economic control of the nation by a small group of malicious power-mongers, who not only caused the american stock market crash, but also the repressment of economic growth) But it is very much so possible.

See, I believe in choice, choice of where one wants to spend their hard-earned cash. Choice of which medi-care plan one wants to take, choice of which school one would like to send their children, choice of where one would like to spend their inflated pay-packages. Not a quasi-tyrannical society, that steals your cash from under your nose, to fund their own little social experiments in a slovenly, unefficient, lemon-tea swilling way, making the people poorer, less to spend on products and services - businesses go bust - people out of work - higher strain on welfare - more taxes incurred - small businesses struggle and so on, so forth.

See, this bloated nuu laybor government is a stagnant cess-pit, no growth, no economic sense.

Who is this mysterious stranger? I don't know... but he sure has a lot to say.

What does everyone here think of his bold ideas?

[unriggable]

Legalize marijuana, gay marriage and maybe summon monica lewinski to wash my balls.

[Napoleon Ier]

Legalize marijuana, gay marriage and maybe summon monica lewinski to wash my balls.

So, as president, those are your top priorities? Hey, screw the budget deficit and fed rate cuts, let's give gays the "right" to have the empty, vacuous title of "marriage" accorded to their sordid relationships!

[flashleg8]

what's the 3 things would you change ?

1) Nationalise all businesses. Bring into state control all of the means of production, all industry. Let the workers of each factory/business control the day to day running of the business.

2) Equality of wage. All wages to be equal.

3) Free housing, healthcare and education for all.

[Napoleon Ier]

what's the 3 things would you change ?

1) Nationalise all businesses. Bring into state control all of the means of production, all industry. Let the workers of each factory/business control the day to day running of the business.

2) Equality of wage. All wages to be equal.

3) Free housing, healthcare and education for all.

Yeah...'cos that's worked so well in the past, hasn't it?

[Jack boot Joey]

what's the 3 things would you change ?

1) Nationalise all businesses. Bring into state control all of the means of production, all industry. Let the workers of each factory/business control the day to day running of the business.

Yer...because every welder/CNC operator/receptionist would have a concise knowledge of how the business should become competitive and economically viable within a dod-eat-dog world. I can see it now: "we vote to bring working hours down to 25 hours per week, free lunch meals, 2 hour lunch breaks and 10 weeks off per year"....very progressive

So, what industry is it that you refer to? How can you possibly hope to attract any form of industry to this stagnant isle, when you have already proposed the "workers control"....something that I cannot see really happening, a very childish, impractical, pie-in-the-sky vision, really.

2) Equality of wage. All wages to be equal

Yes, this would be a great idea, if you actually want every skilled member of society to leave these isles, for a more prosperous packet in another country. Tell me, who would then fund your little communist experiment? The nationalised industry? Hahaha Besides, yet another way of inducing slovenly, inneficient workers with no motivation to excell.

3) Free housing, healthcare and education for all

Hmmm...I'm pretty sure that currently the last 2 are already in play here, despite my reservations for them.

However, when you say "free housing", do you actually intend to acquire, buy force, current property owned, to distribute to everybody? hehe, not really a vote winner there.

You really are a fruit-loop. But eh, I've just seen your occupation....figures.

[flashleg8]

Who is this mysterious stranger? I don't know... but he sure has a lot to say.

What does everyone here think of his bold ideas?

Tosh.

Yes sure, socialism to a basic thinker seems like the be-all and end-all to every financial issue. It sounds great, businesses pay for the subsidisation of national services and welfare of the nation, whilst a healthy levekl of stealth taxes on all products and services ensures that the country can provide thousands upon thousands of needless, pen-pushing, public secter jobs for the slightly less practical and useful people in the nation....sounds fantastic, to the naive and basic economic thinker.

Your vision of socialism differs radically from mine. First public sector jobs are not "for the slightly less practical and useful people in the nation" they are for the USEFUL people of the nation. They are public sector because they are essential for the good of the nation as a whole. Yes I would tax your businesses to the hilt to pay for the health care and education of the nation. Whats more important your business selling some trinket or the essential services of the nation? Get your priorities right.

I'll admit, that when I was age 14 -18 I was indeed (economically speaking) a bit of a lefty, as I did not really understand a great deal about about the economics of the land....Yeah, socialism sounded great (which is also a reason why I have respect for napoleon, learning such excellent concepts at his young age, and why I have little respect for others, who are in their late 20's-early 30's, who are still grasping onto this 6th-form, "we iz teh revolushoz0r" numpties, who seem to understand nothing, other than bumming about, not doing anything practical.

How right you are! Non of us "lefties" work at all!

But when one matures, becomes slightly more "in the know"

Still waiting for that are you?

and looks deeper into economic processes, systems and chains, one will begin to understand, that to create a society in which is not only wealthy across the board, can sustain strong industry, and compete on every level with the industry of all other nations, we must begin to take some drastic measures in the way that tax is collected, the way that the government works, public spending, and the reformation of the public sector.

Actually I agree. Increase taxation of the rich (by this I say 80% or so of anything earned in excess of 50K), Increase public spending, nationalise all industry (or at least essential services like utilities and transport).

I for one, have am ideal similiar to that of the original "american dream", where most can be small business owners, all can be wealthy...I know that this never worked in practice for the most part in america (due to the acquisiton of the economic control of the nation by a small group of malicious power-mongers, who not only caused the american stock market crash, but also the repressment of economic growth) But it is very much so possible.

I disagree. The interests of these petty bourgeois will be in conflict with the rest of society. Their desire for profit will be parasitical on the welfare of the people.

See, I believe in choice, choice of where one wants to spend their hard-earned cash. Choice of which medi-care plan one wants to take, choice of which school one would like to send their children, choice of where one would like to spend their inflated pay-packages. Not a quasi-tyrannical society, that steals your cash from under your nose, to fund their own little social experiments in a slovenly, unefficient, lemon-tea swilling way, making the people poorer, less to spend on products and services - businesses go bust - people out of work - higher strain on welfare - more taxes incurred - small businesses struggle and so on, so forth.

Easy to believe in choice when you have the economic wealth in the first place. How much choice does a pensioner have where he buys his heating oil from? Or an inner city kid what school he goes to? Or a minimum wage worker where she goes to the dentist? Very little.

See, this bloated nuu laybor government is a stagnant cess-pit, no growth, no economic sense.

Your rampant thatcherite Britain seems little better.

[Napoleon Ier]

Brilliant...tax everyone over 50K by 80%....and you have a PhD in economics, I presume, and loads of hard studies and statistics that show me that on a macro-economic level, this will ensure economic growth? Of course not...you're just living in a hazy dream world way up in the big rock candy mountains where the bluebird's sing and the streams are made of gin...

You do understand, I should hope, the concept of investment, and capital flow?

Me and this newbie joe fellow have a way to make everyone unequally rich. You however, propose to make us all equally poor...and take our civil liberties in the process.

[mr. incrediball]

Of course not...you're just living in a hazy dream world way up in the big rock candy mountains where the bluebird's sing and the streams are made of gin...

those must be some fat, drunk bluebirds.

[Jack boot Joey]

Your vision of socialism differs radically from mine. First public sector jobs are not "for the slightly less practical and useful people in the nation" they are for the USEFUL people of the nation.They are public sector because they are essential for the good of the nation as a whole

Bollocks. What economic benefits are procured from such flagrant, self-manicured titles as "Environmental officer", "multicultural enhancement director", "welfare commisioner", "diversity director" etc. They are useless, beuraucratic wastage for usless, failed sociology students. People like this do not have the ability to turn a penny within a real workinmg environment, and hence seek public secter wastage as thheir primary form of income.

. Yes I would tax your businesses to the hilt to pay for the health care and education of the nation. Whats more important your business selling some trinket or the essential services of the nation? Get your priorities right.

This is exactly it, tax tax tax. The bleatings of an envious beast, unable to path their own way through life prosperously, so feel the need to pounce upon anybody elses pennies-turned in the name of "teh services!!1!". Why should I subsidise your beloved molly-coddled lefty brats, who do not wish to involve themselves in anything that sounds too much like hard work, who just "can't be bothered". I see no reason why I should, since I never use the health service (and probably won't, due to the excrutiatingly nasty state of the publicly funded NHS), I see no benefit, and feel as though there are more people rocking in the same boat as I, than rocking in your sinking boat.

How right you are! Non of us "lefties" work at all!

I have always worked within the private secter, and have never come across a lefty. Mind, you need to bve pretty useful within the trades I have worked.

Actually I agree. Increase taxation of the rich (by this I say 80% or so of anything earned in excess of 50K), Increase public spending, nationalise all industry (or at least essential services like utilities and transport).

Bye bye all skilled and proffesional workers!

I disagree. The interests of these petty bourgeois will be in conflict with the rest of society. Their desire for profit will be parasitical on the welfare of the people.

See, a very, very basic grasp of economics. I would try to enlighten you, but quite frankly, I'd be wasting my breath on you, and your little che-guevara (failed medical student, leeching parasite) loving delusions.

Easy to believe in choice when you have the economic wealth in the first place. How much choice does a pensioner have where he buys his heating oil from? Or an inner city kid what school he goes to? Or a minimum wage worker where she goes to the dentist? Very little.

Hehe, I believe that medi-care should be free for minors, OAPs and the long-term disabled, as mentioned previously.
See, what you fail to understand, is that nuu laybor and their socialist, non-proggressive mentality has caused a great deal of the poverty in Britain today...they have catapaulted a once proud-working class, into what is now a deprived, ignorant, nasty set of americanised ghettos....had their industries not been forced to shut-up shop, maybe these individuals would have something to work and live for....My idea's would eventually give this lost generation a spring of life, by giving companies more incentive to open up, providing jobs and wealth to once socialist-raped area's.



Put down that chomsky book, pal. It ain't doing you any good. Capiche?

[Jack boot Joey]

Me and this newbie joe fellow have a way to make everyone unequally rich. You however, propose to make us all equally poor...and take our civil liberties in the process.

[suggs]

If I were President, Jack boots would be compulsory.

And tight leather trousers ooooooo

[flashleg8]

what's the 3 things would you change ?

1) Nationalise all businesses. Bring into state control all of the means of production, all industry. Let the workers of each factory/business control the day to day running of the business.

Yer...because every welder/CNC operator/receptionist would have a concise knowledge of how the business should become competitive and economically viable within a dod-eat-dog world. I can see it now: "we vote to bring working hours down to 25 hours per week, free lunch meals, 2 hour lunch breaks and 10 weeks off per year"....very progressive

So, what industry is it that you refer to? How can you possibly hope to attract any form of industry to this stagnant isle, when you have already proposed the "workers control"....something that I cannot see really happening, a very childish, impractical, pie-in-the-sky vision, really.

First of all, we treat the workers like adults. In every work place we all know who are the shirkers and who can be trusted. A council of workers will be elected from each workplace by the workers themselves. It is in their own interests to elect workers that will increase productivity as all will benefit from that increase. As opposed to the present system of "if you work harder the fat cats get get more - so I'll just skive".
Second. I'm, not intending to "attract" any industry at all, it will be created. The industry we NEED. The state will set up these businesses or nationalise existing ones.

2) Equality of wage. All wages to be equal

Yes, this would be a great idea, if you actually want every skilled member of society to leave these isles, for a more prosperous packet in another country. Tell me, who would then fund your little communist experiment? The nationalised industry? Hahaha Besides, yet another way of inducing slovenly, inneficient workers with no motivation to excell.

I disagree. The workforce will be more motivated. Any profits the businesses make will equate to an increase in the overall wage and living conditions for all. As opposed to the disenfranchised unemployed or minimum wage workers now who have no incentives to contribute to society. We will educate and train the population as a whole to perform the jobs we require. Let the super rich wasters leave. See how far they get when we've nationalised their businesses!

3) Free housing, healthcare and education for all

Hmmm...I'm pretty sure that currently the last 2 are already in play here, despite my reservations for them.

However, when you say "free housing", do you actually intend to acquire, buy force, current property owned, to distribute to everybody? hehe, not really a vote winner there.

Free education would include not just schooling but tertiary education and any job related training. Free heathcare would include dental care and all prescription charges. Free housing means no rental fees. I won't win the vote of the landed property owning classes but then again I'm not interested in them, they seem to be doing alright themselves. I'm interested in the average person who struggles day to day to pay exorbitant housing costs or rots in an inner city slum as they can't afford anything else and all the decent council housing stock has been sold off.

You really are a fruit-loop. But eh, I've just seen your occupation....figures.

You know jack about what I do. Strange that you've came straight to the forum without playing a game...multi anyone?

[flashleg8]

Brilliant...tax everyone over 50K by 80%....and you have a PhD in economics, I presume, and loads of hard studies and statistics that show me that on a macro-economic level, this will ensure economic growth? Of course not...you're just living in a hazy dream world way up in the big rock candy mountains where the bluebird's sing and the streams are made of gin...

You do understand, I should hope, the concept of investment, and capital flow?

Me and this newbie joe fellow have a way to make everyone unequally rich. You however, propose to make us all equally poor...and take our civil liberties in the process.

Not interested in investment and capital flow. Anything we (the people) require will be produced by the people for consumption by the people. Any investment will be created from the labour of the workers. Capital wont be flowing anywhere.

If you want to bring marco economics into the debate your system has little to show for it - you may well increase the standard of living with your economic growth plan - at the expense of the outsourced labour in the developing world living on a dollar a day working in a sweatshop to prop up your company. How rich are they getting? And how will the "not so rich" think of their civil liberties when the super rich are siphoning up all the resources of this country too?

First against the wall come the revolution me thinks...

[Jack boot Joey]

First of all, we treat the workers like adults. In every work place we all know who are the shirkers and who can be trusted. A council of workers will be elected from each workplace by the workers themselves. It is in their own interests to elect workers that will increase productivity as all will benefit from that increase. As opposed to the present system of "if you work harder the fat cats get get more - so I'll just skive".
Second. I'm, not intending to "attract" any industry at all, it will be created. The industry we NEED. The state will set up these businesses or nationalise existing ones.

No. This plan will fail, due to the fact that you will have an exodus of trained, proffesions leaving this country in their droves, no industry would survive, it would become even more of a stagnant isle....this time with no production, no tax revenue, no workers, just layabout slobs who cannot afford to leave...boggles the mind as to how you would plan on funding this utopian dream of equality....maybe you'll just trade in all the magical rainbow pixie dust in your mind, for some cold, hard cash?

I disagree. The workforce will be more motivated. Any profits the businesses make will equate to an increase in the overall wage and living conditions for all. As opposed to the disenfranchised unemployed or minimum wage workers now who have no incentives to contribute to society. We will educate and train the population as a whole to perform the jobs we require. Let the super rich wasters leave. See how far they get when we've nationalised their businesses!

See, this encapsulates the mentality of your ilk...you do not feel motivated in the current set of circumstances, and just skive, I cannot say that I feel an ounce of this mentality in the slightest (and believe me, there are a great deal of motivations for people who wish to work hard, currently) You have this scare-mongered vision, of fat-cats owning everything, which is simply not true. Again, this is where my "everyone is a small business owner" vision, as this would eliminate this ridiculous notion, and put everyone's destiny into their own hands.

You know jack about what I do. Strange that you've came straight to the forum without playing a game...multi anyone?

Well bugger me...sherlock is on the case..

[suggs]

Hmmm. I didnt realise Flashleg was a MULTI.
How shocking.
David Last.

[Jack boot Joey]

you tell 'em dave

[flashleg8]

No. This plan will fail, due to the fact that you will have an exodus of trained, proffesions leaving this country in their droves, no industry would survive, it would become even more of a stagnant isle....

We'll build a bloody great wall to stop them!!

[Jack boot Joey]

Touchee.