Gay marriage

[Napoleon Ier]

Isn't it ironic how the states that like gay marriage the least allow cousin marriages?

very interesting point

No, an ad hominem fallacy, and an unreferenced claim.

[Snorri1234]

@snorrarse: a. What if the animal consented? b. What if the sibling consened?

lol animals cannot give consent. It's a pretty simple concept to grasp.


As for the sibling.....well that's a little harder. But still, it's pretty much a non-issue as siblings don't actually want to marry a lot.

You're missing the point, we're talking about abstract notions of justice, not the slippery-slope argument, as tonkaed even berated me for pointing out.

No I know you weren't talking about that. However, the simple fact of the matter is that you can't compare animal marriage and gay marriage, no matter what.

[MeDeFe]

I'm pretty sure both gays and cousins are allowed to marry here.

[Napoleon Ier]

@snorrarse: a. What if the animal consented? b. What if the sibling consened?

lol animals cannot give consent. It's a pretty simple concept to grasp.


As for the sibling.....well that's a little harder. But still, it's pretty much a non-issue as siblings don't actually want to marry a lot.

You're missing the point, we're talking about abstract notions of justice, not the slippery-slope argument, as tonkaed even berated me for pointing out.

No I know you weren't talking about that. However, the simple fact of the matter is that you can't compare animal marriage and gay marriage, no matter what.

Fine, I'll move specific examples to broader definitions in my post's original context:

Seemingly there cant be a separate classification so either the state takes away the benefits of marriage to all couples, or it adds them same sex couples. it would seem to be consistent that way and would allow for a solution in either setting.

But in which case, it must accord that same right to those with other paraphilias who wish to marry their respective objects/persons of desire. (note how this is only an extension of gt's line of thinking, not a deliberate re-hashed version of the slippery-slope argument).

[joecoolfrog]

Its odd but despite there being a host of gay ' marriages ' during the last week my life doesnt seem to have changed at all. Thinking there must be
something amiss I phoned a couple of friends but they also reported that nothing alarming had happened to them, it's all very confusing

[SolidLuigi]

Its odd but despite there being a host of gay ' marriages ' during the last week my life doesnt seem to have changed at all. Thinking there must be
something amiss I phoned a couple of friends but they also reported that nothing alarming had happened to them, it's all very confusing

[Napoleon Ier]

Its odd but despite there being a host of gay ' marriages ' during the last week my life doesnt seem to have changed at all. Thinking there must be
something amiss I phoned a couple of friends but they also reported that nothing alarming had happened to them, it's all very confusing

A generation of lost youth unable to resolve identity vs. confusion conflicts, a nation too worried about appearing 'traditional' and 'anti-progressive' to display patriotic sentiment, a total psychological castration of half the male population, neo-fascist feminist ideology collaborating with LGBT lobbies to further weaken any healthy expression of male dominance: all of which has led to the slacker's "let mommy state do things for me, I'm not man enough to feed myself" mentality and a trillion pound budget deficit which was built through taxes levied to keep these neutered zombies on artificial life support in the vain hope of reaching some (at the risk of annoying suggsy) Keynesian utopia, but which instead has given us a stagnated economy threatned by stagflation and a population having lost all sense of value and living in a dictatorship of moral relativism which is leading them on a state-funded public transport vehicle hurtling right down the road to serfdom...

No, nothing wrong at all...

Tout va bien, madame la Marquise.

[Napoleon Ier]

I'm pretty sure both gays and cousins are allowed to marry here.

Well they shouldn't be.

[reminisco]

I'm pretty sure both gays and cousins are allowed to marry here.

Well they shouldn't be.

don't worry Napoleon Complex, despite the depraved allowances made by that state, gay cousins aren't allowed to wed... so at least that boundary is still up.

[comic boy]

Its odd but despite there being a host of gay ' marriages ' during the last week my life doesnt seem to have changed at all. Thinking there must be
something amiss I phoned a couple of friends but they also reported that nothing alarming had happened to them, it's all very confusing

A generation of lost youth unable to resolve identity vs. confusion conflicts, a nation too worried about appearing 'traditional' and 'anti-progressive' to display patriotic sentiment, a total psychological castration of half the male population, neo-fascist feminist ideology collaborating with LGBT lobbies to further weaken any healthy expression of male dominance: all of which has led to the slacker's "let mommy state do things for me, I'm not man enough to feed myself" mentality and a trillion pound budget deficit which was built through taxes levied to keep these neutered zombies on artificial life support in the vain hope of reaching some (at the risk of annoying suggsy) Keynesian utopia, but which instead has given us a stagnated economy threatned by stagflation and a population having lost all sense of value and living in a dictatorship of moral relativism which is leading them on a state-funded public transport vehicle hurtling right down the road to serfdom...

No, nothing wrong at all...

Tout va bien, madame la Marquise.

Wow Did all that happen last week, missed it !

[Napoleon Ier]

Its odd but despite there being a host of gay ' marriages ' during the last week my life doesnt seem to have changed at all. Thinking there must be
something amiss I phoned a couple of friends but they also reported that nothing alarming had happened to them, it's all very confusing

A generation of lost youth unable to resolve identity vs. confusion conflicts, a nation too worried about appearing 'traditional' and 'anti-progressive' to display patriotic sentiment, a total psychological castration of half the male population, neo-fascist feminist ideology collaborating with LGBT lobbies to further weaken any healthy expression of male dominance: all of which has led to the slacker's "let mommy state do things for me, I'm not man enough to feed myself" mentality and a trillion pound budget deficit which was built through taxes levied to keep these neutered zombies on artificial life support in the vain hope of reaching some (at the risk of annoying suggsy) Keynesian utopia, but which instead has given us a stagnated economy threatned by stagflation and a population having lost all sense of value and living in a dictatorship of moral relativism which is leading them on a state-funded public transport vehicle hurtling right down the road to serfdom...

No, nothing wrong at all...

Tout va bien, madame la Marquise.

Wow Did all that happen last week, missed it !

Every single week since almost 1960, and despite what looked like an end to the vicious cycle from around 1980 to '90...but, being the lobotomized, submissive, valet of the system you're trained to be....yes, you'd have missed it.

[OnlyAmbrose]

Come on, man use your logic.

Are you seriously comparing gay marriage to murder and stealing? Killing someone or stealing from them is an infringement on THEIR liberty. Can you explain to me how someone else's right to marry whom they choose infringes on yours?

You missed my point. You're saying that the government shouldn't get involved because it's a moral issue. I'm saying you can't escape morality because almost every law the government passes is based on whether or not they think it is moral. There's no way to escape the fact that laws are either moral or immoral.

I'm not missing your point at all. I'm saying the government shouldn't get involved because it is a moral issue which is based SOLEY on religion.

I think you missed MY point. This country is founded on the ideals of life, liberty, and property. The government's purpose is to protect those three ideals. Murder would violate life. Theft would violate property.

Gay marriage doesn't violate any of them, and as a restriction of it such doesn't belong in American laws.

If America was founded on "life, liberty, property, and Christian morality," then it would be our place to legislate the morality of certain kinds of marriage. But it wasn't, so it's not.

[hecter]

Its odd but despite there being a host of gay ' marriages ' during the last week my life doesnt seem to have changed at all. Thinking there must be
something amiss I phoned a couple of friends but they also reported that nothing alarming had happened to them, it's all very confusing

A generation of lost youth unable to resolve identity vs. confusion conflicts, a nation too worried about appearing 'traditional' and 'anti-progressive' to display patriotic sentiment, a total psychological castration of half the male population, neo-fascist feminist ideology collaborating with LGBT lobbies to further weaken any healthy expression of male dominance: all of which has led to the slacker's "let mommy state do things for me, I'm not man enough to feed myself" mentality and a trillion pound budget deficit which was built through taxes levied to keep these neutered zombies on artificial life support in the vain hope of reaching some (at the risk of annoying suggsy) Keynesian utopia, but which instead has given us a stagnated economy threatned by stagflation and a population having lost all sense of value and living in a dictatorship of moral relativism which is leading them on a state-funded public transport vehicle hurtling right down the road to serfdom...

No, nothing wrong at all...

Tout va bien, madame la Marquise.

Wow Did all that happen last week, missed it !

Every single week since almost 1960, and despite what looked like an end to the vicious cycle from around 1980 to '90...but, being the lobotomized, submissive, valet of the system you're trained to be....yes, you'd have missed it.

You're VERY paranoid... I pity you... You're a sad boy to believe that all these silly things will happen just because we let gays marry.

On a side note, I'd much rather have a trillion dollar deficit keeping people alive (despite being in a vegetable state) rather than have a trillion dollar deficit because you're trying to kill Iraqi's.

[reminisco]

a quick tangent...

a lot of these politically active Christians... what were called Compassionate Conservatives back in 99, when the populace elected the best candidate, but the electoral college delivered us...... okay, that's a tangent within a tangent. ignore that. don't dwell on that...


okay, these Political Activist Evanglists need to remember that the separation of church and state protects BOTH institutions. it's not some attempt to keep God out of the process. it's not some veiled persecution upon the churches...

it's quite simply a method for keeping another check/balance in place. so that the USA won't end up with the kind of despicable corruption found under the Anglican Church in England, and to prevent a cliquish political machine status quo hiding behind the "banner of heaven" in the government.

too often the "moral majority" or the conservative evanglists, or whatever they're called these days, fall into the trap of 'us vs. them' thinking.

i ask any of you evangelists to show me where it says that in the New Testament. and i'd like to see numerous examples. what IS repeated regularly is that humans have three enemies -- the world the flesh and the devil -- but those are threats to the individual.

it also repeatedly warns against being fooled by the 'wolf in sheep's clothing' and the 'false prophets'. which sadly, the average conservative american christian has been conned by so thoroughly for the last 20 years.

that's the tangent. i would posit that it is biblically sound to be EXTREMELY wary of any christain leader wanting so badly to get into policy making in the name of the Lord.

(see Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc)

[dewey316]

too often the "moral majority" or the conservative evanglists, or whatever they're called these days, fall into the trap of 'us vs. them' thinking.

I like Ambrose, am the type that thinks it isn't the job of government to make moral policy, because I easily understand that one day it could be my choices that might not be allowed.

But, I would like to say that this discussion is always going to be "us v. them". The nature of discussions on topics like this, is people from both sides, trying to further their own agenda, and they gather like-minded people to try to push their cause. I am not saying evangilism has a place in politics, but them trying to make policy that fits their world view is no diffrent the agendas of any other politicly active group, it is all the same self interest that is trying to get the rest of the country to behave like them, thru legislation.

So, you are welcome to call it what you want, what I see, is people who are christians trying to be politicly active and push their own personal agendas. Same as envromentalists, anti-gun groups, etc, etc, etc. It is all a bunch of people who are activily trying to make everyone else follow their world-view.

[MeDeFe]

However, I see a certain qualitative difference between "This holy book tells us that such and such is moral and therefor we want it to become law" (which is the only thing most politically active televangelists seem to be able to come up with) and "There is evidence which strongly indicates that humans are causing or accelerating the warming of the planet which can have grave consequences for human society. Additionally I don't like it if a lot of poisons get dispersed in the air , soil and water which we all (including me and you) ultimately make use of in order to survive. Therefor I think we need legislation that will help deal with these issues." Which is what a lot of environmentalists are saying, though many of them get rather vehement about making their point.

On the one hand a position thats based on nothing more than ancient texts about what people then thought was proper and which are subject to interpretation, on the other hand a position based on evidence. Despite his latest eloquent post about the degeneration of all things male, strong and beautiful over the last 40-50 years, Nappy Ier has not managed to show just how allowing two people who want to marry to do so, regardless of their gender, would harm either human society as a whole of the individual in it. This is just me, but that might be because there's no clear evidence suggesting that same-sex couples have any negative impact at all.

[comic boy]

Its odd but despite there being a host of gay ' marriages ' during the last week my life doesnt seem to have changed at all. Thinking there must be
something amiss I phoned a couple of friends but they also reported that nothing alarming had happened to them, it's all very confusing

A generation of lost youth unable to resolve identity vs. confusion conflicts, a nation too worried about appearing 'traditional' and 'anti-progressive' to display patriotic sentiment, a total psychological castration of half the male population, neo-fascist feminist ideology collaborating with LGBT lobbies to further weaken any healthy expression of male dominance: all of which has led to the slacker's "let mommy state do things for me, I'm not man enough to feed myself" mentality and a trillion pound budget deficit which was built through taxes levied to keep these neutered zombies on artificial life support in the vain hope of reaching some (at the risk of annoying suggsy) Keynesian utopia, but which instead has given us a stagnated economy threatned by stagflation and a population having lost all sense of value and living in a dictatorship of moral relativism which is leading them on a state-funded public transport vehicle hurtling right down the road to serfdom...

No, nothing wrong at all...

Tout va bien, madame la Marquise.

Wow Did all that happen last week, missed it !

Every single week since almost 1960, and despite what looked like an end to the vicious cycle from around 1980 to '90...but, being the lobotomized, submissive, valet of the system you're trained to be....yes, you'd have missed it.

You appear to be stuck in a bizarre Victorian time loop

[Skittles!]

LOLOLOLOL.

THIS TOPIC JUST HAD 666 POSTS. LOLOLOL. RUN CHRISTIANS, RUN! THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST HAS BEEN BESTOWED!

[Snorri1234]

Its odd but despite there being a host of gay ' marriages ' during the last week my life doesnt seem to have changed at all. Thinking there must be
something amiss I phoned a couple of friends but they also reported that nothing alarming had happened to them, it's all very confusing

A generation of lost youth unable to resolve identity vs. confusion conflicts, a nation too worried about appearing 'traditional' and 'anti-progressive' to display patriotic sentiment, a total psychological castration of half the male population, neo-fascist feminist ideology collaborating with LGBT lobbies to further weaken any healthy expression of male dominance: all of which has led to the slacker's "let mommy state do things for me, I'm not man enough to feed myself" mentality and a trillion pound budget deficit which was built through taxes levied to keep these neutered zombies on artificial life support in the vain hope of reaching some (at the risk of annoying suggsy) Keynesian utopia, but which instead has given us a stagnated economy threatned by stagflation and a population having lost all sense of value and living in a dictatorship of moral relativism which is leading them on a state-funded public transport vehicle hurtling right down the road to serfdom...

No, nothing wrong at all...

Tout va bien, madame la Marquise.

Holy shit.

All because gays want to marry?

[got tonkaed]

but of course, to what end would it be worth fighting for if it was only an issue of marriage itself.

Without the extended applications there is no need for his side to take the debate, and they would then be compelled to grant the rights. But its because they believe truly granting the rights would continue or lead to such things that they take arms.

[Neoteny]

Homosexuals are bad for the economy?

[got tonkaed]

Homosexuals are bad for the economy?

one would assume logically taken far enough, in the eyes of napoleons camp yes.

He would also scoff at the evidence from Gerrefe ( too bad i cant spell teh guys name) as soon as you put it out there.

[reminisco]

Homosexuals are bad for the economy?

well, certainly not for the fashion market, or the hair care product market, or the hair removal market,

or any other extremely gay and/or metrosexual corner of the economy.

[Snorri1234]

Homosexuals are bad for the economy?

well, certainly not for the fashion market, or the hair care product market, or the hair removal market,

or any other extremely gay and/or metrosexual corner of the economy.

Like the whole of the entertainment industry.

[bradleybadly]

Homophobia is a term that liberals have come up with in order to try and make people who are against gay marriage sound like bigots. By that standard you could say that other people are Pedophiliaphobic or Beastialaphobic.