Strategy maps

wcaclimbing · Post by **wcaclimbing** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:11 pm

Maps such as Feudal Wars, the AoR Trilogy, WM's maze craze map (in map ideas), and my upcoming Oasis map (see my signature) are very different from other maps. Unlike most maps, these are STRATEGY maps. They give you many options for how to win (objectives, killing everyone, etc.) and many ways to reach that goal. They are not based on normal continents, but instead they use new bonus structures and neutral placements to make the map much more strategic and interesting to play.

I am starting this thread as a discussion topic to discuss the possibilities of "strategy" maps. The AoR maps and Feudal Wars are very popular maps, and I think we could do better than even those.

This thread is open to all ideas related to this kind of map. Any idea you think would make a good strategy map, post it here and we can talk about it. This isn't for discussions of an actual map, but for discussions of the concepts behind the map. Bonuses, organization, neutrals, starts, objectives, etc. The things that could be effectively used to develop a great strategy map.

who knows, I might even use a few things I hear in here on my Oasis map

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:42 pm

wcaclimbing wrote: I am starting this thread as a discussion topic to discuss the possibilities of "strategy" maps. The AoR maps and Feudal Wars are very popular maps, and I think we could do better than even those.

Nothing will be better than feudal

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:09 pm

I've long wanted someone to make a WW1 - Trench Warfare map with a No-Man's Land. That idea seems more like a 'Strategy Map,' as you call it, then a traditional map.

--Andy

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:27 pm

you forgot the very first non-classic map (Age of Merchants) and also the CC mogul map.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:46 pm

Circus Maximus might have been the first 'non-classic' map. But that's discussion for another thread.

--Andy

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:00 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Circus Maximus might have been the first 'non-classic' map. But that's discussion for another thread.

--Andy

circus maximus is not a map.

PS: this is also a discussion for another thread

InkL0sed · Post by **InkL0sed** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:07 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I've long wanted someone to make a WW1 - Trench Warfare map with a No-Man's Land. That idea seems more like a 'Strategy Map,' as you call it, then a traditional map.

--Andy

Did you, like, read my mind or something?!

Look at the Map Ideas thread...

wcaclimbing · Post by **wcaclimbing** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:59 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I've long wanted someone to make a WW1 - Trench Warfare map with a No-Man's Land. That idea seems more like a 'Strategy Map,' as you call it, then a traditional map.

--Andy

how would you force people to be on each side?

I don't understand it, unless every player had a required starting position.

Its a very interesting idea. I might consider it after Oasis is done. how would the map work for team games? is there a way to make a team all on the same side?

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:22 pm

wcaclimbing wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I've long wanted someone to make a WW1 - Trench Warfare map with a No-Man's Land. That idea seems more like a 'Strategy Map,' as you call it, then a traditional map.

--Andy
how would you force people to be on each side?

I don't understand it, unless every player had a required starting position.

Its a very interesting idea. I might consider it after Oasis is done. how would the map work for team games? is there a way to make a team all on the same side?

yes it is possible to have preset locations.

benny profane · Post by **benny profane** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:29 pm

InkL0sed wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I've long wanted someone to make a WW1 - Trench Warfare map with a No-Man's Land. That idea seems more like a 'Strategy Map,' as you call it, then a traditional map.

--Andy
Did you, like, read my mind or something?!

Look at the Map Ideas thread...

ha, both of you read my mind.
i was thinking two complex trenches, with a (decay) cloud of mustard gas between them.
sort of like dustbowl.
players first battle to hold an entire trench, then must cross the no-man's land to take the other trench...
team games would complicate this, however.

InkL0sed · Post by **InkL0sed** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:30 pm

benny profane wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I've long wanted someone to make a WW1 - Trench Warfare map with a No-Man's Land. That idea seems more like a 'Strategy Map,' as you call it, then a traditional map.

--Andy
Did you, like, read my mind or something?!

Look at the Map Ideas thread...
ha, both of you read my mind.
i was thinking two complex trenches, with a (decay) cloud of mustard gas between them.
sort of like dustbowl.
players first battle to hold an entire trench, then must cross the no-man's land to take the other trench...
team games would complicate this, however.

Why don't you make it once NYC is finished? It could be an awesome map.

edbeard · Post by **edbeard** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:54 am

Don't forget 'The New World' and 'Arms Race!' both in Final Forge. Also, 'Das Schloss' and 'Drug War'

Also, there's a certain map in my sig that fits in this category.

Basically this thread is about how can we use all these XML features. And, for me anyway, when I think of something good. I usually keep it to myself for a future venture! I'm selfish like that.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:39 am

DiM wrote:
wcaclimbing wrote:Its a very interesting idea. I might consider it after Oasis is done. how would the map work for team games? is there a way to make a team all on the same side?
yes it is possible to have preset locations.

It is possible to have set locations - but not set *team* locations...

C.

benny profane · Post by **benny profane** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:26 am

edbeard wrote:Also, there's a certain map in my sig that fits in this category.

what happened to that idea anyways? are you still working on it?
i started to feel that maybe it was just a joke, and i was the only one taking it seriously.

InkL0sed wrote:Why don't you make it once NYC is finished? It could be an awesome map.

i would love to. hopefully i'll have a bit of free time to do some research...

edbeard · Post by **edbeard** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:48 pm

benny profane wrote:
what happened to that idea anyways? are you still working on it?
i started to feel that maybe it was just a joke, and i was the only one taking it seriously.

no it's a real map. I've been busy but this week and next I have plenty of free time. Part of the problem is that I've got almost zero artistic ability to spruce up what I've got so far. Though, I can definitely clean up a few things on the map.

I'll also have a go at the XML on that and also start up the Drug War XML (since if I keep pestering Lanyards about what's going on in his Panama map, I don't think he'll want to do the Drug War XML anymore!) Also I need to send a PM to Telvannia about things to do. though he's busy with his other map so I'm not sure how the progress will be on that.

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:51 pm

If ya want I'll do the Drug War XML.

C.

wcaclimbing · Post by **wcaclimbing** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:09 pm

So, as far as objectives go, we have:

Cross X land and hold Y to win. (oasis)
Hold X, Y, and Z to win. (feudal, AoR Might)
Hold X to win. (AoR Magic)

and probably a few more I forgot.
Are there any other things we could make objectives besides holding an area?

Ditocoaf · Post by **Ditocoaf** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:04 pm

It would be nice to have an option of:

Hold X for # turns in a row,
Hold #% of X, Y, Z
Hold # territories of X,Y,Z

Or, one vague idea I have right now: A player is given one territory to defend; this territory is populated by neutrals. You lose if this neutral territory is taken by anyone; meaning you need to leave it neutral and defend by surrounding it. This would add some strategy in that instead of building a huge army on a key defensive spot, you have to determine which side is most important to defend.

pepperonibread · Post by **pepperonibread** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:09 pm

Do we create new XML features for maps, or do we create maps for new XML features?
Hmmmmmm....

Ditocoaf · Post by **Ditocoaf** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:18 pm

pepperonibread wrote:Do we create new XML features for maps, or do we create maps for new XML features?
Hmmmmmm....

well, the first three ideas are more general and could be used on any number of maps creatively. So fine, maybe the last idea isn't quite as flexible, but still... isn't it cool?

bryguy · Post by **bryguy** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:22 pm

im hoping that builder does well, cause if it does i had a few more map ideas to go with it, like an invasion and/or rebellion, with rebellion having the villages as starting points also

edbeard · Post by **edbeard** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:23 pm

wcaclimbing wrote:So, as far as objectives go, we have:

Cross X land and hold Y to win. (oasis)
Hold X, Y, and Z to win. (feudal, AoR Might)
Hold X to win. (AoR Magic)

and probably a few more I forgot.
Are there any other things we could make objectives besides holding an area?

Not really. That's exactly what the objective is.

You missed the two must complete objective to win maps.

1. Das Schloss, which is more of an 'epic' type game

2. Puppies, Flowers, and Bubblegum, which combines some of the search and destroy type gameplay except you can't take over someone's starting point.

And, Drug War is a bit different because there's one center area that MUST be held for the objective combined with four different two-territory areas that all can be used with the objective.

Thanks yeti for the offer, but I've exchanged a few PMs with Lanyards today. It's not yet in need of XML, and I really need to PM Telvannia to let him know what needs to be done with it (though I don't think it is too much).

pepperonibread · Post by **pepperonibread** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:48 pm

Ditocoaf wrote:
pepperonibread wrote:Do we create new XML features for maps, or do we create maps for new XML features?
Hmmmmmm....

well, the first three ideas are more general and could be used on any number of maps creatively. So fine, maybe the last idea isn't quite as flexible, but still... isn't it cool?

No, I wasn't trying to say anything like that, just commenting on what we do with these XML features. They get created for new maps that will come out, but at the same time, maps come out to specifically utilize a new feature (making a map for the feature). Just something I was thinking about, more a joke than anything else

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:53 pm

Castle Conquer is also a strategy map. You cannot kill anyone. The only way to win is to hold the castle for 1 round. I plan on getting back to that eventually.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31396

Plus I have another abstract strategy map that I have yet to post.

WM

fireedud · Post by **fireedud** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:35 pm

yeti_c wrote:
DiM wrote:
wcaclimbing wrote:Its a very interesting idea. I might consider it after Oasis is done. how would the map work for team games? is there a way to make a team all on the same side?
yes it is possible to have preset locations.
It is possible to have set locations - but not set *team* locations...

C.

But can't you choose where each color starts? In turn, making team positions?

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