Waterloo... isn't it screwed?

Splash_x · Post by **Splash_x** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:47 pm

No offence to whoever made this... but... waterloo is just so confusing -.- I keep reading the legend... and i still can't make sense of it...

what do you guys think? Is it an advantage? or a disadvantage? (advantage being you know the other guy has no clue what to do... that is... if u know what to do)

"The Bro"

In a distant land, where all hope is lost. One man stands out. One man has enough courage and strength to do what it takes... to play... on the waterloo map!

TheBro · Post by **TheBro** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:49 pm

I voted no. Someone likes it somewhere out there.

Splash_x · Post by **Splash_x** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:49 pm

*gasp!*

BaldAdonis · Post by **BaldAdonis** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:51 pm

Stick to Doodle Earth if you can't understand bigger maps.

TheBro · Post by **TheBro** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:52 pm

BaldAdonis wrote:Stick to Doodle Earth if you can't understand bigger maps.

Doodle Earth is screwy. I can't get a grasp on it.

Splash_x · Post by **Splash_x** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:52 pm

BaldAdonis wrote:Stick to Doodle Earth if you can't understand bigger maps.

Lol.. i'm not that stupid. But waterloo just has too many cruddy rules. Like a calvary can attack 2 away? what is considered 2 away? bombardments can't attack? only bombard? so whats with those pointy things? infantry... whats so special about that?

Splash_x · Post by **Splash_x** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:52 pm

TheBro wrote:
BaldAdonis wrote:Stick to Doodle Earth if you can't understand bigger maps.

Doodle Earth is screwy. I can't get a grasp on it.

GO DOODLE EARTH!

BENJIKAT IS DEAD · Post by **BENJIKAT IS DEAD** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:13 pm

Splash_x wrote:No offence to whoever made this... but... waterloo is just so confusing -.- I keep reading the legend... and i still can't make sense of it...

noone is making you play it!

TheBro · Post by **TheBro** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:15 pm

Yeah just because you can't read the legend doesn't mean it's screwy. I can't read it either, so I never play it. Basically I'm posting the same exact thing Benjikat is so I'm going to stop now.

BENJIKAT IS DEAD · Post by **BENJIKAT IS DEAD** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:25 pm

Yes it is obviously an advantage when the other player has no idea how the map works - but that's true of all maps.

Here - I'll explain a few things that you seem to be having difficulty with:

Artillery - bombard ONLY - so no attacking (or even seeing in FoW) adjacent territories, and no forting out or through (imagine Alcatraz on the SF map has a big cannon on it)

Cavalry - 2 away - guess what - what's "1 away" from "1 away"...

Other than that what's not to understand???

MOBAJOBG · Post by **MOBAJOBG** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:34 pm

Trust me when I say this interesting and enjoyable map is not complex enough.

BaldAdonis · Post by **BaldAdonis** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:40 pm

BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:Other than that what's not to understand???

Why is Imperial called M and not I?

BENJIKAT IS DEAD · Post by **BENJIKAT IS DEAD** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:55 pm

BaldAdonis wrote:
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:Other than that what's not to understand???
Why is Imperial called M and not I?

... because I is too similar to 1 I believe, but you'd have to check with cairnswk.

Sparqs · Post by **Sparqs** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:55 pm

I agree the map can be confusing at first, but that's fine because once you get used to it, the complexity makes for good gaming.

Are you using BOB, the greasemonkey UI enhancement? If not, try it out. It makes the attack-defense connections much clearer.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8801

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:58 pm

BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:(imagine Alcatraz on the SF map has a big cannon on it)

Cavalry - 2 away - guess what - what's "1 away" from "1 away"...

He he he!!

Good work Ben.

C.

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:09 pm

Sparqs wrote:Are you using BOB, the greasemonkey UI enhancement? If not, try it out. It makes the attack-defense connections much clearer.

some of us don't like cheating in our games... bOOb is for knuckleheads that can't count!!!-0

roadwarrior · Post by **roadwarrior** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:44 am

So what is screwy about it?

When I first saw the waterloo map, I just felt this tingle everywhere and it is an easy to comprehend map (even though I was never involved in the creation/development of it at the foundry). It is like the creator of this map and I communicated via telepathy, lol.

This is surely one of my favourite map in cc. I could even play this map in my sleep, lol

benny profane · Post by **benny profane** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:00 pm

i agree...i don't think it's too difficult to understand.
you just have to think of the cavalry as knights in chess.
i'm not a fan of complexity just for the sake of complexity,
but waterloo is definitely a success.

the only things that got me were:
i didn't realize you couldn't fort off bombardments. lesson learned the hard way.
it kind of sucks that the territory colors are often very different from the legend colors...but, i suppose that's why there's the letter system.

it may look daunting, but that shouldn't stop anyone from at least trying it.
sink or swim...

edit:
in fact, i just set up a game with simple settings, for anyone who may want to join, and learn the map in a friendly atmosphere.
2065396

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:10 pm

benny profane wrote:in fact, i just set up a game with simple settings, for anyone who may want to join, and learn the map in a friendly atmosphere.
2065396

said the spider to the fly...-0

benny profane · Post by **benny profane** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:14 pm

owenshooter wrote:
benny profane wrote:in fact, i just set up a game with simple settings, for anyone who may want to join, and learn the map in a friendly atmosphere.
2065396

said the spider to the fly...-0

DaGip · Post by **DaGip** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:22 am

If you don't like Waterloo, wait until HyperCube!

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... sc&start=0

brandoncfi · Post by **brandoncfi** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:00 pm

Splash_x wrote:No offence to whoever made this... but... waterloo is just so confusing -.- I keep reading the legend... and i still can't make sense of it...

what do you guys think? Is it an advantage? or a disadvantage? (advantage being you know the other guy has no clue what to do... that is... if u know what to do)

"The Bro"

In a distant land, where all hope is lost. One man stands out. One man has enough courage and strength to do what it takes... to play... on the waterloo map!

BOB helps my friend

Heimdall · Post by **Heimdall** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:39 pm

Waterloo is my favorite map

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:56 pm

MOBAJOBG wrote:Trust me when I say this interesting and enjoyable map is not complex enough.

Gees...i didn't want to go there!! :wink:

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:59 pm

BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:
BaldAdonis wrote:
BENJIKAT IS DEAD wrote:Other than that what's not to understand???
Why is Imperial called M and not I?

... because I is too similar to 1 I believe, but you'd have to check with cairnswk.

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